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[redrose3443]

I just want more positive Sakura action after all this put down, that should not be too much to ask for. I also want her to punch Sasuke in the face. Then he could get redeemed. I guess.

[tricksie]

Well i didn't mock others in my post or the user itself  just his logic behind that post i find it really funny , but if it bothers you so much then i will stop with bringing stuff from other sites in order to mock their logic . 

 

You hit the nail on the head: Do not bring stuff from other sites to mock their logic. We're neutral. We're...Switzerland. We're a safe haven for any ship, but most especially NS. It's okay to question logic, just leave off the part that might be considered bashing, which includes linking to outside arguments.

 

It's not just for this one situation. We're going to have a lot more shipping warfare from here on out. Just everyone try to stick to the NS discussion and steer clear of bashing other ships. No matter how crazy they get.

[MangaReader]

I wonder if the SasuSaku fans do this stuff purposely to make us question our own grip on the NaruSaku ship. There's no way thousands of people can't be rational thinkers...right? 

[tricksie]

The crazy thing is, as much as the SasuSaku shippers are grasping at straws, theirs' will be the argument that Kishi relies on in the end. 

 

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying. 

[MangaReader]

The crazy thing is, as much as the SasuSaku shippers are grasping at straws, theirs' will be the argument that Kishi relies on in the end. 

 

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying. 

While that's probably true, they think it implies Sasuke has feelings for Sakura. Friend level at best is all it could be, anything more would just be horrific story writing 

[luffyq1]

The crazy thing is, as much as the SasuSaku shippers are grasping at straws, theirs' will be the argument that Kishi relies on in the end. 

 

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying. 

But they want Sasuke to think of Sakura exclusively, which is never going to happen. When Sasuke thinks of Sakura it's always collectively with team 7. She's not special to him and they're trying to make it as such.

[redragon88]

The crazy thing is, as much as the SasuSaku shippers are grasping at straws, theirs' will be the argument that Kishi relies on in the end. 

 

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying. 

 

Well, Naruto wasn't implying that Sasuke cared for Team 7 when he protected them with Susano, it's pretty clear he doesn't. Naruto was simply pointing out that Sasuke is the type that can come to care. Which is why Naruto went ahead and quoted the whole "body moved on it's own".

 

Sasuke was lecturing Naruto about focusing on the enemy, but Naruto basically said he didn't have the right to say that since Sasuke himself had disregarded the enemy back in Part 1 when protecting Naruto from Haku.

 

But you're right about one thing, this is all foreshadowing to when Sasuke finally gets over himself and starts showing care for Team 7 once again.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying.

However it was hinted he still "cares" about them in some flashbacks, but those are in the middle of his objectives.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Does everyone remember this from way back then.

 

 

to me this is what Kishi should be doing.

[FireFox]

If there is a distinction, it's not a meaningful one.

It was meant to be funny and not every post in here is meaningful , has deep meaning or is meant for the sole purpose of debunking said argument some are just for laughs and have absolute no meaning and like i said i don't see what's so wrong with my post except me providing the link for it which i admit it , but even with that i did not attack the person of that post or revealed his identity since the link is from some one who just put/reblog the argument but not the person's name .

 

But I already said i would not provide any more links from the other side arguments's i will put just the argument itself i hope that in this way its OK ? If not you may point it out . 

 

 

You hit the nail on the head: Do not bring stuff from other sites to mock their logic. We're neutral. We're...Switzerland. We're a safe haven for any ship, but most especially NS. It's okay to question logic, just leave off the part that might be considered bashing, which includes linking to outside arguments.

 

It's not just for this one situation. We're going to have a lot more shipping warfare from here on out. Just everyone try to stick to the NS discussion and steer clear of bashing other ships. No matter how crazy they get.

OK  

[FireFox]

The crazy thing is, as much as the SasuSaku shippers are grasping at straws, theirs' will be the argument that Kishi relies on in the end. 

 

To make Sasuke be a good guy, to redeem him, he will have had to have been thinking about Sakura and Kakashi, deep down, as Naruto is implying. 

 

What @MangaReader said besides that i hope people understand that the word "Deep Down"  or Sasuke's "Deep Down" doesn't mean that he cares "Very Much" for them  this is ridiculous in the first place . That "Deep Down" means that Sasuke even if he cares its not that much or that that care is great at all it just means that he has a sliver bit of care and i don't see how is that any much better  .

 

When Sasuke cares so much for someone something he tends to show it he doesn't hide his feelings even in extreme situations like this example of this is Itachi he reacted to him being stabbed even if he was an EDO and yet for Sakura and Kakashi (especially Sakura) there wasn't anything like that and there were alive unlike Itachi , i don't care how much "lost" you are  but if the people you really care about and love were dying or were about to die in front of you you are bound to have some kind of a reaction and With Sasuke in KS's case there weren't any he is indifferent about them and that is worse then even hating them .

 

So in reality his care is almost non existent i mean its there but it isn't much if Sasuke cares in the end for them it will be a simple care of their well being whether they are alive or not unlike now ,  but do not mistaken this as he will care for their feelings whether there are happy or not or something like that  that was never Sasuke and its pretty much OOC of him to do that remember he's selfish Sasuke changing his POV doesn't mean him changing his cold personality who he always was/is a general a**hole and this is what many are mistaking it when they say Sasuke's gonna change they think he's gonna be all warm and fussy and lovey dovey especially with Sakura and this is ridiculous to even think about that in the first place furthermore him changing his POV doesn't mean that what he has done till now doesn't matter or it will be all erased forgiven maybe but forgotten i don't thinks so .     

 

 

Well, Naruto wasn't implying that Sasuke cared for Team 7 when he protected them with Susano, it's pretty clear he doesn't. Naruto was simply pointing out that Sasuke is the type that can come to care. Which is why Naruto went ahead and quoted the whole "body moved on it's own".

 

Sasuke was lecturing Naruto about focusing on the enemy, but Naruto basically said he didn't have the right to say that since Sasuke himself had disregarded the enemy back in Part 1 when protecting Naruto from Haku.

 

But you're right about one thing, this is all foreshadowing to when Sasuke finally gets over himself and starts showing care for Team 7 once again.

I agree but at best it shows/proves that Sasuke only really cares about Naruto from T7 not the rest which is true since he only did something like that for him from T7   and like i said previously above that care of his isn't any special or meaningful for that matter i would say its ordinary and even that is overreaching  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 14 June 2014 - 03:11 PM.

[tricksie]

@mangareader, luffy, redragon and Dark - right on all counts. And I should have added that I wasn't thinking about Sasuke's reasoning supporting SS or Sakura's feelings. 

 

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki — No, I don't think Sasuke's going to turn all warm and fuzzy in the end. That would be tremendously OOC for him! 

 

What I meant was, reading all the justifications SS fans are giving for how Sasuke really feels, the things they are gleaning (twisting) from the slightest hints, I thought that even though I think it's ridiculous, Kishimoto is going to have to somehow justify everything Sasuke's doing right now if he's going to redeem him in the end. 

 

Think back to Itachi in part 1. It didn't matter how bad he was because he was the prime villain. So he could do as much awful stuff as possible and no one batted an eye. And when he turned "good" then all his past bad behavior was swept under the rug because it was just that...in the past.

 

But now we're getting to see Sasuke's bad behavior alongside the knowledge that he is somehow going to be redeemed. It's not going to be a surprise, like with Itachi. Each bad thing Sasuke does is going to have to somehow be justified to redeem him. 

 

So when I was thinking about SS and all the crazy theories about how Sasuke is really still a good guy, still has good intentions, yadda, yadda, yadda...I started thinking that somewhere in there is the reasoning Kishimoto is going to use to save his character.

 

Cause Naruto can't not save him. And yet to have Naruto save Sasuke, but still have Sasuke be behaving ridiculously selfishly to everyone around him, diminishes Naruto's role as hero. (Naruto won't look like the big hero in everyone else's eyes, instead he'll just a guy who could give up some old friendship, even though the friend was crap and the friendship died years ago.)

 

Kishimoto is going to have to explain Sasuke's callusness. And personally, the 'my body moved on its own' is weak and sidesteps responsibility on the part of the person saving. So if that's what this whole thing hinges on — it won't paint Sasuke in any better light than he already is seen. We know he decides to kill or not kill on whim, but 'my body moved on its own' means that he saves others the same way. That doesn't make him worthy of redemption. It makes him no different than Kabuto (or most of the other villains), who kills or heals according to how useful it is.

 

Sorry - my little thought has turned into a LAP.

 

Ultimately, as the Sasuke show goes on, it will be interesting to see what kind of gymnastics Kishimoto has to do to back away from all of Sasuke's bad behavior. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@mangareader, luffy, redragon and Dark - right on all counts. And I should have added that I wasn't thinking about Sasuke's reasoning supporting SS or Sakura's feelings. 
 
@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki — No, I don't think Sasuke's going to turn all warm and fuzzy in the end. That would be tremendously OOC for him! 
 
What I meant was, reading all the justifications SS fans are giving for how Sasuke really feels, the things they are gleaning (twisting) from the slightest hints, I thought that even though I think it's ridiculous, Kishimoto is going to have to somehow justify everything Sasuke's doing right now if he's going to redeem him in the end.

He will turn somewhat like Kakashi in the end but with a good ending not the bad ending he had after he lost his teammates at that time.
I just dont hope it turns out something similar like Rin and Kakashi, like Sakura confessing once again and Sasuke calling himself he's trash and dont deserve her feelings.
God plz no.
 

Think back to Itachi in part 1. It didn't matter how bad he was because he was the prime villain. So he could do as much awful stuff as possible and no one batted an eye. And when he turned "good" then all his past bad behavior was swept under the rug because it was just that...in the past.

I dont think Itachi become good, the fact is that the audience forgave him(something he failed with Obito, Pain...), he became a dark hero, he did bad things in order to keep the good things going on, he accepted he did mistakes but never looked to make up for his bad actions in fact he only helped Naruto but he wasnt doing that to make up for himself.
 

But now we're getting to see Sasuke's bad behavior alongside the knowledge that he is somehow going to be redeemed. It's not going to be a surprise, like with Itachi. Each bad thing Sasuke does is going to have to somehow be justified to redeem him. 
 
So when I was thinking about SS and all the crazy theories about how Sasuke is really still a good guy, still has good intentions, yadda, yadda, yadda...I started thinking that somewhere in there is the reasoning Kishimoto is going to use to save his character.

The main difference i think about is that, Itachi accepted his way and wasnt looking for redemption.
But Sasuke doesnt want redemption it's Naruto who wants to redeem him, Sasuke only needs to see how wrong he is that Naruto will take care of the rest, it takes out accountability from Sasuke because Naruto and the others view him as some sort of victim.
It's somewhat like "He killed countless of samurai and ninjas from the could village he cant be forgive, my village destroyed my clan and i was an orphan so it make an even" plus the fact he never crossed the line.

I also dont know what he message he wants to deliver by redeeming Sasuke it goes totally against the fact that the evil path is what Sasuke chose so he had to deal the consequences.
 

Cause Naruto can't not save him. And yet to have Naruto save Sasuke, but still have Sasuke be behaving ridiculously selfishly to everyone around him, diminishes Naruto's role as hero. (Naruto won't look like the big hero in everyone else's eyes, instead he'll just a guy who could give up some old friendship, even though the friend was crap and the friendship died years ago.)

I think that the worst problem of this is that Saving Sasuke become the major plot of the manga, everything circulates towards it, Jiraiya struggled so much to bring peace to the world and never managed to find the answer, Naruto's asnwer is save Sasuke nonetheless.
 

Kishimoto is going to have to explain Sasuke's callusness. And personally, the 'my body moved on its own' is weak and sidesteps responsibility on the part of the person saving. So if that's what this whole thing hinges on — it won't paint Sasuke in any better light than he already is seen. We know he decides to kill or not kill on whim, but 'my body moved on its own' means that he saves others the same way. That doesn't make him worthy of redemption. It makes him no different than Kabuto (or most of the other villains), who kills or heals according to how useful it is.
 
Sorry - my little thought has turned into a LAP.
 
Ultimately, as the Sasuke show goes on, it will be interesting to see what kind of gymnastics Kishimoto has to do to back away from all of Sasuke's bad behavior.

My too because i seriously have no idea how it's going to turns out.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 June 2014 - 05:03 PM.

[JILLNYN]

 

to me this is what Kishi should be doing.

TheFirstEvil100 I also think that, but in that battle against Sasori She had all the information to fight with him, she knew was the weaknesses of his puppet and had a well-planned strategy and sometimes improvised

For this battle and for Sakura to be useful need information about kaguya, her weaknesses and especially the source of all her power, the little information that Sasuke refused to give, and not only that also Naruto and Sasuke need more information none of the members of Team 7 known as Kaguya beat, without information can not be useful.

It is also why you have to be patient in this battle and be patient with Sakura, remember that she wanted to enter the battle in the last chapter but Kakashi told her that without a good strategy would be useless.

Edited by JILLNYN, 14 June 2014 - 05:42 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

TheFirstEvil100 I also think that, but in that battle against Sasori She had all the information to fight with him, she knew was the weaknesses of his puppet and had a well-planned strategy and sometimes improvised

Just to pinpoint, she didnt had information about him, only about the poison the rest she figured it out during the battle.

[JILLNYN]

 

Just to pinpoint, she didnt had information about him, only about the poison the rest she figured it out during the battle.          

but does not contradict what I mean, they need to get information in a way or another,

precisely what you say needs to evolve the battle and should be more of Kaguya presentacón as FV, until now remains a mystery Kaguya weaknesses and any member against it should disclose the information

[Iwantbuns]

Sasuke did care about Naruto and Sakura as comrades, and they probably mean a lot more to him, than you guys think... 

 

Sasuke is basically an emotionally wrecked loner guy who shows no emotion, but actually has a lot of emotion underneath. Aside from Itachi, Naruto and Sakura were the first ones in a long time to give him that sort of love/friendship. Although he found both of them annoying, he slowly opened up to them, in a way he never did to anyone else. You could almost say they were his two first real friends.

 

Naruto gave him the brotherhood he wanted, and Sakura gave him the companionship he needed.

 

Even being away for a long time, he probably does feel a sort of nostalgia for these two, even if he doesn't show it very well. He needs to understand that they've all grown up, and are much different than they used to be. Sakura isn't gonna play damsel in distress all the time, Naruto's gonna be in the front lines more often, and Sasuke's still just gonna be Sasuke, adding a little more arrogance and indifference.

 

Right now, they need to learn to use their teamwork to the fullest like the way they used to, and adjust to the way their team would work now, otherwise they absolutely will not be very effective in the war they're in. I think they really have to work together at a time like this - especially Sasuke, who needs to seriously get that stick out of his ass. 

 

Without teamwork, they're all dead. Hopefully Naruto can change that. I'm really interested in how in the world they're gonna deal with this Kaguya, though.

[Shadow1275]

Character's don't just go "Poof" development. 

It can be "Development---regression---development. Like how ACTUAL people are. 

We aren't just in a constant state, we're constantly changing, for better or for worse. 

Technically speaking hasn't Sakura already passed Tsunade? She's 15/16 with the seal already. Pretty sure Tsunade didn't get it until much later. 

Again, so because Sakura isn't screaming and hissing at Sasuke for hitting her where she's most vulnerable ( her usefulness) while they are in a life threatening situation, it reflects poorly on her...how would you react? Personally, HELL YEA I'd be upset at having to sit there and watch two people I care about put their lives on the line while I have to watch what COULD be their death and the death of everyone I love while I'm unable to do a damn thing while someone ( who i also care about) vocally tells me I'm useless and should pretty much just die. While also telling me they would have let me get mind-enslaved if saving me hadn't of just been a lucky coincidence

Thats not upsetting at all...Again, its called empathy. Putting yourself in Sakura's mindset rather then judging from a distance what she SHOULD be doing, or how she SHOULD be reacting. 

Naruto's response was "I understand" that doesn't equate to "I agree." since we KNOW Naruto finds Sakura and Kakashi to be pretty damn awesome. 

Again, all of this is probably a set up by Kishi for some Sakura awesomeness. Its more likely then just leaving her to languish in misery. 

 

Technically speaking hasn't Sakura already passed Tsunade? She's 15/16 with the seal already. Pretty sure Tsunade didn't get it until much later.

 

Can Sakura alter the spinal signals in someone's body with a couple handsigns as Tsunade did against Kabuto? Does she have the same natural monster strength that Tsunade does?

 

Again, so because Sakura isn't screaming and hissing at Sasuke for hitting her where she's most vulnerable ( her usefulness) while they are in a life threatening situation, it reflects poorly on her...how would you react? Personally, HELL YEA I'd be upset at having to sit there and watch two people I care about put their lives on the line while I have to watch what COULD be their death and the death of everyone I love while I'm unable to do a damn thing while someone ( who i also care about) vocally tells me I'm useless and should pretty much just die. While also telling me they would have let me get mind-enslaved if saving me hadn't of just been a lucky coincidence

 

But the problem is that in part 1 whenever someone insulted Sakura, (her forehead, her looks, etc.) She'd either snap at them or pound them into a pulp. Also there's a difference between screaming and hissing and standing up for yourself and I don't think Sakura would ever do the latter.

 

As for the regression where was the development for that? Part 1 and the beginning of part 2 for Sakura's story arc was all about how Sakura swore not to hide behind anyone and that she would stand beside Naruto when he went to fight Sasuke. Where were the scenes that showed her losing confidence in her ability? where was the fight that she made the conscious choice that she was useless? There were none, all of a sudden she started getting saved in fights, getting depressed in battles, and stopped getting fight time. In other words she got relegated to a tool. Allow me to explain by comparing it to the first spiderman trilogy's Mary Jane. Though I love Kirsten Dunst, Mary Jane in that series was also a tool. She had one purpose to make the hero look cool by fawning over him, getting into trouble, getting saved by the hero, and looking pretty next to the hero while supporting him. Sakura has basically been relegated to pairing drama, getting saved by a male member of team 7, and getting sad whenever someone insults her or puts her down. Regression is fine within a character's development but it too has to be developed.

 

Naruto's response was "I understand" that doesn't equate to "I agree." since we KNOW Naruto finds Sakura and Kakashi to be pretty damn awesome.

 

I hav to disagree. First off he looks depressed when he's saying it meaning that even though he doesn't want to agree he knows that it is true. But the real thing that implies the opposite is the reference to the fight with Haku. What Naruto is saying by "I do" is that yes Sakura and Kakashi are technically useless right now. But then Naruto says that his body just moved on its own. In the Haku fight Naruto actually made the situation worse by entering the ice ring and charging at Haku blindly. Sasuke however was slowly able to see Haku's movements via his sharingan and could react accordingly. But then he jumped in front of Naruto and bit the proverbial bullet and he said" My body just moved on its own." Obviously the mind has to give the body direction which means it is an excuse for Sasuke to avoid saying that he cares about Naruto. What Naruto is really saying to Sasuke in that scene is that "Sakura and Kakashi are useless but even then I still care about them." In other words he knows that they can't do anything right now and if he dies its game over but he cares about them two much to let them die. Caring and trusting in someone's ability two different things. For example, let's say that I have two brothers and one of them has a bad history of car accidents. The younger brother needs a ride to school but I have to go to work and the other brother is available. Are you going to trust the accident prone brother to drive your younger sibling to school? But even though Naruto admits that Kakashi is useless this is downplayed by the fact that Kakashi saved Sakura without being able to fly and Naruto even called him amazing. This plays up Sakura's uselessness bc even though Kakashi is sharinganless he was still able to find a way to be usefull.

 

Again, all of this is probably a set up by Kishi for some Sakura awesomeness. Its more likely then just leaving her to languish in misery.

 

I hope so but given his track history I don't think its high on Kishi's priority list. The best example is when she destroyed the hundred juubi clones. Sure it was cool and all but the clones were inserted the chapter before and left just as fast which means that they didn't have a plot impact. Than she immediately got saved by Naruto and Sasuke and was once again pushed into the background.

Edited by Shadow1275, 14 June 2014 - 07:54 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Technically speaking hasn't Sakura already passed Tsunade? She's 15/16 with the seal already. Pretty sure Tsunade didn't get it until much later.

 

Can Sakura alter the spinal signals in someone's body with a couple handsigns as Tsunade did against Kabuto? Does she have the same natural monster strength that Tsunade does?

 

Again, so because Sakura isn't screaming and hissing at Sasuke for hitting her where she's most vulnerable ( her usefulness) while they are in a life threatening situation, it reflects poorly on her...how would you react? Personally, HELL YEA I'd be upset at having to sit there and watch two people I care about put their lives on the line while I have to watch what COULD be their death and the death of everyone I love while I'm unable to do a damn thing while someone ( who i also care about) vocally tells me I'm useless and should pretty much just die. While also telling me they would have let me get mind-enslaved if saving me hadn't of just been a lucky coincidence

 

But the problem is that in part 1 whenever someone insulted Sakura, (her forehead, her looks, etc.) She'd either snap at them or pound them into a pulp. Also there's a difference between screaming and hissing and standing up for yourself and I don't think Sakura would ever do the latter.

 

As for the regression where was the development for that? Part 1 and the beginning of part 2 for Sakura's story arc was all about how Sakura swore not to hide behind anyone and that she would stand beside Naruto when he went to fight Sasuke. Where were the scenes that showed her losing confidence in her ability? where was the fight that she made the conscious choice that she was useless? There were none, all of a sudden she started getting saved in fights, getting depressed in battles, and stopped getting fight time. In other words she got relegated to a tool. Allow me to explain by comparing it to the first spiderman trilogy's Mary Jane. Though I love Kirsten Dunst, Mary Jane in that series was also a tool. She had one purpose to make the hero look cool by fawning over him, getting into trouble, getting saved by the hero, and looking pretty next to the hero while supporting him. Sakura has basically been relegated to pairing drama, getting saved by a male member of team 7, and getting sad whenever someone insults her or puts her down. Regression is fine within a character's development but it too has to be developed.

 

Naruto's response was "I understand" that doesn't equate to "I agree." since we KNOW Naruto finds Sakura and Kakashi to be pretty damn awesome.

 

I hav to disagree. First off he looks depressed when he's saying it meaning that even though he doesn't want to agree he knows that it is true. But the real thing that implies the opposite is the reference to the fight with Haku. What Naruto is saying by "I do" is that yes Sakura and Kakashi are technically useless right now. But then Naruto says that his body just moved on its own. In the Haku fight Naruto actually made the situation worse by entering the ice ring and charging at Haku blindly. Sasuke however was slowly able to see Haku's movements via his sharingan and could react accordingly. But then he jumped in front of Naruto and bit the proverbial bullet and he said" My body just moved on its own." Obviously the mind has to give the body direction which means it is an excuse for Sasuke to avoid saying that he cares about Naruto. What Naruto is really saying to Sasuke in that scene is that "Sakura and Kakashi are useless but even then I still care about them." In other words he knows that they can't do anything right now and if he dies its game over but he cares about them two much to let them die. Caring and trusting in someone's ability two different things. For example, let's say that I have two brothers and one of them has a bad history of car accidents. The younger brother needs a ride to school but I have to go to work and the other brother is available. Are you going to trust the accident prone brother to drive your younger sibling to school? But even though Naruto admits that Kakashi is useless this is downplayed by the fact that Kakashi saved Sakura without being able to fly and Naruto even called him amazing. This plays up Sakura's uselessness bc even though Kakashi is sharinganless he was still able to find a way to be usefull.

 

Again, all of this is probably a set up by Kishi for some Sakura awesomeness. Its more likely then just leaving her to languish in misery.

 

I hope so but given his track history I don't think its high on Kishi's priority list. The best example is when she destroyed the hundred juubi clones. Sure it was cool and all but the clones were inserted the chapter before and left just as fast which means that they didn't have a plot impact. Than she immediately got saved by Naruto and Sasuke and was once again pushed into the background.

Just because you don't SEE her using someones nerves to paralyze them doesn't mean she can't.

Better to ask yourself this; WHEN did she need to do that? the answer; Never. Sakura has not been up against a human opponent in the manga since forever. Madara doesn't count. 

So, again who was she supposed to use those skills against? Zetsu? the Jubi? Sasori? None of those make any sense. Doesn't mean she CAN'T do it, it means she hasn't had to. 

Again, " i understand" is not "I agree." I understand means "Yea I get that you think that, and maybe they can't do anything RIGHT HERE or RIGHT NOW, but in the grand scheme of things, no I don't agree."

So you think that Naruto thinks Sakura's weak and useless? Okay, well you're wrong because it contradicts canon statements he's made. It would go against his character for him to find Sakura to be weak and useless when all he's ever done is admire her. So that's all that needs to be said. 

Are you a reader that needs to be hand held through everything a character is thinking/feeling, or are you a reader who can infer from the situation, from expressions and commonsense to figure out whats going on? If you are the second, you don't need scenes with Sakura thinking "Oh I feel really useless" you can TELL that's how she feels because you know her character and you know whats going on and you know that she's upset.

 Again, what the hell is she supposed to be doing? there is nothing she CAN DO. 

 

[JILLNYN]

the Part of "I understand" and "I agree" I think it's not so complicated, let's use this example

Random person: I think all SS fans are aggressive and bad people because I was seriously insulted for not thinking like them

You understand?

NS: I do, I understand what you're saying but there are some nice SS fans

Edited by JILLNYN, 14 June 2014 - 09:05 PM.