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#14421 Nostradamus

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:30 PM

 

One person was hoping Sakura died on Narutos birthday for him like Kushina and said it would be the best gift for naruto for her to die in his place, this really makes me sick. Part of me wants the next chapter or so just to get beyond this insane crap. I mean I could easily go on about how sakura dying makes many issues to the story and if there even needed to be a sacrifice, that it could be obito for reasons like he is already dying but dying is still alive, he was planning on going out anyways with a form of redemption, and basically considered his actions against madara to help everyone else as the hard choice, he considered just living to atone for his sins as the easy way out. Now fans just want Sakura to die and Obito to rot and just fall down and let him lose everything and madara gain it all. Obito is going to act against madara, let alone black zetsu, but I'm just saying this:

 

If Kishi decided to sacrifice someone as necessary for minato to transfer yin kurama to naruto, why should it be sakura? She has purpose with team 7, purpose in development this whole time? Why would he kill her off if she suddenly just about came to love him for a complete opposite effect of what we had seen in the start? Doesn't sacrificing obito make much more sense? To all these fans saying sakura may or those who just want her to die, did they not learn about this path of too much convenience before? Sakura dying for naruto right here just leaving things directly open for NH, its just too convenient, just too simple, just too easy. This case is even worse than when the open road theory existed of NS being dead in 469 and NH winning by 615 when there were so many things left unresolved, did people then not question back then after the land of iron Kushinas foreshadow came in? How nothing was built on NH when it was the perfect opportunity too? How nothing ever showed naruto changing his feelings away from Sakura? None of these ever crossed the minds of many fans, I kept these thoughts in with a few others and the deal was fans like me were right, not everything was said and done and look what happened only a few months later past 615, we got 631 which made fans cry for naruto and minatos head on a platter and its just gotten even more intense of all cases where we are now simply because hinata was unable to join naruto and sakura. The deal is some NH and SS fans thought they won, no questions asked, no problems, no other possibilities, or speculations, they just assumed everything was settled there and then. Kishi has proven it hasnt been settled. Now in the current frame of things, many people suspect or want sakura to die simply so again these convinent openings can be left for NH, but its even worse if it happens this way, it was better in the 469 events to go like this because the story still had a good amount of time left, kishi said back in august the manga was in its final phase, beyond the return of madara arc, theres really only a chance of some minor downtime and then the big fight between naruto and sasuke to end all the conflicts for them. If sakura died then many people just seeminly forgot about the issues already posed for NH, time is the main issue, time is not on its side, kishi has been so infrequent with hinata, theres not much he can bring forward at this point to make naruto even loving her something as believeable as he has with naruto and sakura towards each other, sakura doesnt love (yet anyways) naruto but as far as things go right now, she cares A DAMNED LOT. Other issues like if kishi put the kushina foreshadow in and how naruto was to find a girl he could love, one who is like kushina, then why would he put this in, build on it by placing it on sakura, and then just killing her? Some fans speculated that because minato is one armed right now, he would need a partner to activate the reaper seal, in turn whoever does it with him may be killed, so many fans are thinking, if Kushina died with minato on that night of his birth and she made the foreshadow of some love for naruto in the end, kishi put said foreshadow on sakura, only for her to die for Naruto like Kushina on narutos birthday? :headscratch:  No this really doesnt add up, I mean remember this series is for middle schoolers to understand, so why would kishi make something confusing like this? Doesn't Sakura dying with the foreshadow labeled on her kinda defeat the purpose of the foreshadow itself? Even then Sakura is important for other reasons, being part of team 7, being part of narutos goals which obviously involves living and fulfilling that promise. Really as I said many times, naruto losing in protecting sakura in anyway would be just a giant middle finger to him from fate saying "oh naruto you think you are going to do anything different? Nope! Phsyce I'll just take your love interest away like I did to Obito, I don't care about the other stuff, go have fun being hokage or with sasuke if you want, I'm going to make sure you dont succeed in all your goals!" See how dumb that sounds? Fans again support and want to see naruto succeed in everything but not with sakura, sakuras everyone on team 7 gets a happy ending is non-existant without her, really what can be her happy ending if she dies? Its not team 7 if not everyone is alive and present, why would kishi ax her out of nowhere when again, better options exist namely obito. Obito isnt a convinent "sacrifice" for naruto if things came to that, he has meaning and purpose, remember obito was the opposite to naruto, Obito was everything naruto could have become if he gave into his hate, its very likely naruto could have turned like him if something unfortunate had befallen Sakura like Rin or Nagato and Konan with Yahiko, same with Tsunade losing Dan and Nawaki, all had people dear and turned to despair (tsunade didnt go evil by any means but her situation made her completely depressed, uncaring, and believed no hope existed in the world at one point, that dreams were for fools and just childs play). Back on Obito, he was opposed to naruto, naruto managed to pull him out of his despair, while obito even saw everything he could have done if he just left madara to rot in his cave, he was planning to rebel against madara and undo the damage, to die anyways bringing back all who died in the 4th war including neji, but then madara had black zetsu highjack him and use the rinne tensei, and hurt him even more with the gedo mazu extraction, now only BZ is keeping him alive though Obito is finished either way, the last thing he wants to do is keep the left rinnegan from falling into madaras possession. I see it highly likely that Madara being the arrogent prideful uchiha he is, would just take the eye and not bother finishing obito off, that he would simply just leave and not consider Obito worthy of his attention and that Obitos last action to stop madara would be to use himself as a sacrifice if one was actually needed in the future chapters. Its obitos redepmtion moment many have thought of for a long time, if he dies for naruto, he redeems himself, Obito is finished either way, he even basically stated he would rather die? So why do people expect Sakura to go when theres to much importance on her and when theres much more meaning in Obito going instead? Should we have sakura die and then obito just go for no reason? Only getting the left rinnegan removed and then left to rot? We know Madara is going to get that left eye, its assured, he will be at max power, it will only be his pride or sense of wanting to be perfect that he will go after naruto again to get the remaining half of the 9 tails after naruto and sasuke are standing again to face him. Naruto is getting his powers back, sasuke still has the last ditch jutsu from Hashirama to unleash, but in the long run of things, sakura sacrircing herself, one reason NH fans should really reconsider this, this would just make Hinata so much of a token character, so underdeveloped, so convinent, in the long run, you would not even need to be concerned with her development at all when she is just there to fulfill a simple role, loving naruto. You would not even need to bother with her development, all you would need to say is she gets with naruto simply because she loves him and someone else died despite having similar feelings for him but they were technically just unavailable so hinata was simply used instead despite having little to no development herself. Seriously if Hinata was reduced to this, NH fans shoud be ashamed of this portrayl more than anything, they should be ashamed of how much kishi simply reduced her too. She already deserves better treatment, I give them that, this just killing Sakura and Neji, 2 well developed and important characters for the sake of a convinence she hoped for? :huh: Thats not good development, thats just Hinata being a simple plot element for the sake of convenience and thats not development, that just makes her a simply literary tool for the story, not even a character at this point.

 

I could only imagine the rage this would get on a pairing tag on tumblr... it would not be pretty.

 

There is actually one other thing people keep saying, people are commonly referring to some interview where kishi said 1 of the main characters or 2 major characters would die, but I have never seen this, could anyone please tell me if any of these interviews exist or if its just fan speculation because if its just another deal of fan death wishing, I'd simply say enough is enough and quit wishing death on sakura because its most likely not going to happen.

You know even if Sakura knows Lady Chiyo's technique (maybe she does maybe she doesn't) and she is going to use it to save Naruto, she is not going to die and if she is, it will be a temporary death. Also we already got the answer on how Naruto is going to be saved so Sakura dying makes no sense. Now even if the transferring doesn't work we still have Obito so he can save Naruto. People want Sakura to die because she is the way of NH, also they believe Sakura sacrificing herself for Naruto will atone for treating Naruto the way she did (hitting him, liking Sasuke and not him, etc.)

Personally I believe Kishi is just using Hinata is a tool. That's why I in my rant I said I didn't like what Kishi is doing with her. Because to me it feels like that's all she is a tool. For example in 437 I see her being used in order for Naruto to lose control and meet his father. Chapter 442 Sakura heals Hinata and realizes that Hinata "loves" Naruto. And 615 that little panel of Sakura witnessing the moment between Naruto and Hinata, that panel is there for a reason. Now maybe I'm wrong and this is just Kishi's way of giving Hinata her moments and he is not using her at all and it's just my interpretation. 


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:34 PM

I've been on Tumblr on my Naruto RP blog and the amount of nopes the other fandoms are giving is really entertaining. They're really in denial. :hehehe:

 

But wait.... we were exactly the same for 615 in all fairness so...


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:34 PM

I just think while there's a personal part on Hinata, I feel like it's also connects to Neji, since that's how her shine literally started. But maybe that's just me.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:37 PM

 
But wait.... we were exactly the same for 615 in all fairness so...

Yeah, but it's happening late in the game, where we near end, arriving to the man of the family (Minato), giving Naruto lip-to-lip action (yeah yeah CPR, I get it), paralleling to Karin, whom is in love with Sasuke, so connect the dot, more potential if parallels, actually showing haters who's wrong with Sakura thinking of his dreams, and the list goes on and on. Honestly, if this was 615 and if I was weak will, I will abandon ship.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

 
True enough, but that's really no excuse for poor grammar in something you intend to proliferate on the internet.   :no:  Only four words and two mistakes?  Oy.
 
 
Really?  I thought it was something like "I'm so glad."   If so, God really has nothing to do with it.   I mean, I can see it being translated into thank God (or thank goodness) by westerners or for the west, but that's what I'd expect if it was made by someone from a monotheistic society.
 
*shrug*  I'm no expert in Japanese, that's for sure, so I'll leave it to those who are.  ^_^
 
P.S.  Of course I'm making two assumptions:  (1) that the fan art was created by a westerner; and (2) that English is their first language.  Maybe neither are true.   :ermm:

Well Japanese people can be very spiritual, but not religious at the same time. The translation forよかった (yokatta) changes due to the context of whatever the situation is.

I do agree with you that, for that picture, between Naruto and Sakura, to use "thank god", would be odd (if it was to be translated as such). But there are several instances I've seen/read and hear people use phrases that mean "thank you god". Whether "god" represents a Western god you would have to use the context (as the Japanese word "god" includes but is not exclusive to monotheistic "God").

*i guess "thank god", and "thank you god" are not really the same?

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:48 PM

But still, it's a empty victory for them, because Sakura had to die for Hinata to end up with Naruto.  I would never accept a pairing that had to have that happen.

It doesn't matter if it's an empty victory or not. For them it's a victory because NH happened. As long as NH happens everything else is irrelevant.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:48 PM

But wait.... we were exactly the same for 615 in all fairness so...

 

Well, not all of us were part of that "we."  Not all of us lost our heads over #615.  In fact, some of us tried very, very hard to calmly and consistently explain there was no reason to freak out, and took a beating for it from some of the "we."  In context, #615 made sense for Hinata and should never have caused such drama.  

 

Every chapter that comes out the final resolution gets closer, and all things considered the trajectory is pretty clear.

 

 

Well Japanese people can be very spiritual, but not religious at the same time. The translation forよかった (yokatta) changes due to the context of whatever the situation is.

I do agree with you that, for that picture, between Naruto and Sakura, to use "thank god", would be odd (if it was to be translated as such). But there are several instances I've seen/read and hear people use phrases that mean "thank you god".

Whether "god" represents a Western god you would have to use the context (as the Japanese word "god" includes but is not exclusive to monotheistic "God").

*i guess "thank god", and "thank you god" are not really the same?

 

 

Thank you for replying.  I guess what I was trying to say was that I wouldn't expect a Japanese person to exclaim, "Thank God you're safe!"  It doesn't fit with my understanding of Shinto or Buddhism, but maybe my understanding is wrong...?


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:51 PM

 
Well, not all of us were part of that "we."  Not all of us lost our heads over #615.  In fact, some of us tried very, very hard to calmly and consistently explain there was no reason to freak out, and took a beating for it from some of the "we."  In context, #615 made sense for Hinata and should never have caused such drama.  
 
Every chapter that comes out the final resolution gets closer, and all things considered the trajectory is pretty clear.

I would say that the spoiler did get me wtf feel. But yeah, it's always about context.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:32 AM

The one panel I still cannot get enough of, like when 631 had that short exchange of glances between Naruto and Sakura when she gave him a determined look to which he smiled knowing he could trust in her power, in this one, its that panel of her eye looking down at him saying "I absolutely cannot let you die." Thats the most powerful panel of this chapter, its all her emotion and thought within that one close up and statement in what she cannot afford to let him die, not simply because it would mean doom for the world, but for several reasons, obviously his dream of hokage, obviously because she considers naruto a very important friend, and as much as we hope possibly for something more on her end.



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 02:46 AM

In regards to Yin and Yang Kurama, I don't think it will affect Naruto's personality, however, I think it will have different... how should I call them?...Benefits?!

The half that Naruto had gave him regenerative powers/boosting powers so to speak so maybe the other half, sealed in Minato, will give him something else.

That's what I think it will be about.

I don't think Naruto's personality will be affected in any way. The only times it did affect him was when he let it affect, as in that KN4 incident or 6 tails with Pain. Otherwise, no, Naruto has been Naruto from the very beginning.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 02:55 AM

You know, if Sasuke gets healed completely by, let's say Kabuto, what exactly does Kishi planned for Team Taka to be with Sasuke? I just thought of it, I mean granted I like what I saw, but I wonder if that's all.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 03:16 AM

CPR aside this is the closest its come between these two or any couples in Naruto. Although NaruHina fans wont let us enjoy this moment, even if its CPR :confused: jeez


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 03:40 AM

Yes CPR. YET!!!! If Hinata were to be the one administering it they would be Like" OH, THEY'RE KISSING THEY'RE KISSING!!!!!!! IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOVEY DOVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Or something like that. :glare:  :facepalm:


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 03:47 AM

 
True enough, but that's really no excuse for poor grammar in something you intend to proliferate on the internet.   :no:  Only four words and two mistakes?  Oy.

Nah, I agree with you. That kind of stuff bothers me, too, haha. But English may not be their first language so whatever.

What I meant was that the artist probably didn't take into account that Japan doesn't really say "thank God" like the West does... Probably doesn't even know that, or has thought about it.
 

Really?  I thought it was something like "I'm so glad."   If so, God really has nothing to do with it.   I mean, I can see it being translated into thank God (or thank goodness) by westerners or for the west, but that's what I'd expect if it was made by someone from a monotheistic society.
 
*shrug*  I'm no expert in Japanese, that's for sure, so I'll leave it to those who are.  ^_^
 
P.S.  Of course I'm making two assumptions:  (1) that the fan art was created by a westerner; and (2) that English is their first language.  Maybe neither are true.   :ermm:

Like megi said, the translation changes due to the context. Sometimes it's an expression of relief, like when Naruto came back to the village in 450 and Hinata was crying and said yokatta (it was translated as both "thank goodness" and "thank God" in different scanlations). But yeah, translating it as "thank God you're safe" would be odd.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 04:06 AM

Yes CPR. YET!!!! If Hinata were to be the one administering it they would be Like" OH, THEY'RE KISSING THEY'RE KISSING!!!!!!! IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOVEY DOVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Or something like that. :glare:  :facepalm:

That's a double edge response though... I would fully expect many NaruSaku fans to dispute it. 


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 05:26 AM

Yeah, but it's happening late in the game, where we near end, arriving to the man of the family (Minato), giving Naruto lip-to-lip action (yeah yeah CPR, I get it), paralleling to Karin, whom is in love with Sasuke, so connect the dot, more potential if parallels, actually showing haters who's wrong with Sakura thinking of his dreams, and the list goes on and on. Honestly, if this was 615 and if I was weak will, I will abandon ship.

What I loved about 615 is that it formed a friendly "NS mob squad" just to put out the flames of NH fans screaming "canon" everywhere you go. But in this chapter, which IMO is just as good as 615 if not better in terms of pairing moments, is that even though we're not claiming NS is canon NH is telling us it's not canon by saying "it's just cpr". It's pretty obvious that they feel so threatened by seeing a woman who isn't Hinata-sama having their lips touch Naruto's ramen lips xD.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 05:38 AM

What I loved about 615 is that it formed a friendly "NS mob squad" just to put out the flames of NH fans screaming "canon" everywhere you go. But in this chapter, which IMO is just as good as 615 if not better in terms of pairing moments, is that even though we're not claiming NS is canon NH is telling us it's not canon by saying "it's just cpr". It's pretty obvious that they feel so threatened by seeing a woman who isn't Hinata-sama having their lips touch Naruto's ramen lips xD.

It's true. It feels like their words are not really directed at us, but more to themeselves. Like they are trying to convince themeselves that the CPR is not a kiss at all, it's juts CPR, that's what they are constantly screaming to... Nobody since we have already aknowledged that it's just CPR. And that's the reason why I think they are doing that to convince themeselves there is no threat to them in this chapter. 


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:30 AM

 

 

But that's the thing.  Kurama's chakra wasn't divided as Dark and Light, as if those words are just descriptors.  Otherwise he could have called them Black and White, or Salt and Pepper.  The chakra was divided by yin and yang. There would be no reason to specify the division as yin and yang if the nature of the energy or how it works didn't matter.  If it didn't matter, Kishimoto could have just had Minto put "half" the chakra in Naruto, and seal the other half within himself. 
 
 

 

The way I look at it, your argument is pretty much controverted by the fact that Naruto has a distinctly yang personality.  Unless it's totally a convenient coincidence of characterization, but I don't believe that.
 
As I said in my previous post, it's not very likely that Kishimoto will get into subtly shading Naruto's personality and maturity with a concept like this.  But in terms of discussion, I think it makes a lot more sense to say that Kishimoto wouldn't choose to do it because it's too difficult at this point in the story, rather than say yin/yang has no particular meaning and no influence.  We know that's not true -- in general concept or even within this story.
 
Really, if Naruto's personality, power, and capability are going to change in a significant way it's more likely to happen if/when Kurama's chakra is united and then sealed in Naruto.  I'd love to see that.

 

That's my point. Like you said, Kishi probably won't choose to do it this late in the story. It's very simple about this in a story cause it's official for Naruto to be like that as many other protagonists who have the same character as he does in other manga. Plus, the hero always stay the same they were from the beginning with, of course, maturing from half way through in the manga like Ichigo from Bleach. I won't be surprised if Naruto is more quiet and less goofy from before.

 

If it wasn't like that, I would have said from the beginning of my first post to you about the matter that it's possible. Though, I said the second time possible cause if Kishi ever would chose to change Naruto the way he is known... It's always an option for him to consider, and I should have been more clear at some points :sweat:

 

What I loved about 615 is that it formed a friendly "NS mob squad" just to put out the flames of NH fans screaming "canon" everywhere you go. But in this chapter, which IMO is just as good as 615 if not better in terms of pairing moments, is that even though we're not claiming NS is canon NH is telling us it's not canon by saying "it's just cpr". It's pretty obvious that they feel so threatened by seeing a woman who isn't Hinata-sama having their lips touch Naruto's ramen lips xD.

 

It's true. It feels like their words are not really directed at us, but more to themeselves. Like they are trying to convince themeselves that the CPR is not a kiss at all, it's juts CPR, that's what they are constantly screaming to... Nobody since we have already aknowledged that it's just CPR. And that's the reason why I think they are doing that to convince themeselves there is no threat to them in this chapter. 

 

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:10 PM

My sister-In law supports NaruHina and she was like "I know Naruto is going to end up with Sakura but I still prefer Hinata. Naruto and Sakura has such a great friendship I prefer them as friends but I wouldn't mind them being together. I wonder if Hinata would like Sasuke.....they would produce some good babies." < Just what she said.


 


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:51 PM

^I'm not even gonna lie, even though Sasuke and Hinata haven't talked AT ALL in the manga, I still feel like, in the right hands, the pairing has MASSIVE potential. 






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