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[TouKen4Life3g]

1.  Using a life-transfer technique does not always cause the caster to die - recall that Chiyo also used a life transfer technique to save Sakura after she was stabbed through the sword with a stomach.  The wound would have been fatal, untreatable by any medical jutsu but because Sakura wasn't dead yet, Chiyo was able to transfer enough life energy to save her and keep herself alive.  Since Sakura was conscious during the time that Chiyo explained this to Sasori, saw her perform the technique on Gaara, is intelligent and more than willing to research and learn things on her own time in order to help her teammates, and was specifically very worried about Naruto getting Kurama extracted, I think it would be perfectly reasonable if Sakura reveals that she has been researching the technique in the meantime.
 
Since Kushina did not die immediately from the extraction, I think its likely Naruto will not either, thus allowing Sakura to use the life-transfer technique without loosing her life in the process.
 
2.  I've seen a lot of people theorize that Naruto will be saved by Minato sealing the other half of Kurama in him.  But where was it ever established that sealing another (or the same bijuu again) in someone will save them?  I always thought it was the extraction process itself that strained the jinchuuriki's body so much that it resulted in death, not the mere absence of the bijuu's chakra.  After all, Kushina was planning on resealing Kurama inside of herself and dying.  If putting bijuu chakra back in the body would save the jinchuuiki, then Kushina's plan should have saved her, but no one said that it would.
This is why I think a life-transfer technique is the most likely thing to save him (unless Gaara learned some alternative method of saving him from Kurama), which either Sakura or Kakashi (who was watching Chiyo perform the technique with his Sharingan) are the most likely candidates to perform.

You made a very good point. I didn't really thought of that. Now I'm curious on how it works this whole thing. I hope it's "fair enough" not asspull. That goes to Sasuke. Hahaha. But seriously, I am curious. One thing I want to know is if Minato does give the other half for power sake, will Minato disappear? I never seen an extraction from an Edo. Too much to think over.

[Namaenash]

First off, happy holidays everyone!

As for the chapter, it was a really good cliffhanger and made the plot move forward.

I'm not worried about Hinata entering the center stage, I doubt Kishi will choose that path. She'll make some appearance, together with other rookies. She belongs to that group.
As proven with the recent article about the manga's sales volume this year, picking Hinata as focus and including the infamous hand holding panel with her was just backfired the publisher. The sales were dropping. I know it may not be the only reason it dropped, but I believe it contributes to it. Maybe it's anecdotal, but I stopped buying Naruto manga since volume 64 came out, and I think I'm not the only NS fans which were disappointed. Anyways, as for Hinata, people just need to realize she's not as popular as what they claimed to be.

I think Sakura entering the center stage would've been more appropriate, for the reasons stated in this thread before. It just fits the context and it has buildup during the war arc. Just take a look back at few chapters back when she worried about Naruto being weak because he distributed his chakra to everyone. Not only that, if one tried to link back up till the Gaara rescue arc, it's still linear and you can connect the dots. Much like 631 with 500-ish (Kushina flashback), and so many more foreshadows.

However, I'll keep my expectation low as always. Who knows we'll get a beautiful surprise like 631 ;)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1.  Using a life-transfer technique does not always cause the caster to die - recall that Chiyo also used a life transfer technique to save Sakura after she was stabbed through the sword with a stomach.  The wound would have been fatal, untreatable by any medical jutsu but because Sakura wasn't dead yet, Chiyo was able to transfer enough life energy to save her and keep herself alive.  Since Sakura was conscious during the time that Chiyo explained this to Sasori, saw her perform the technique on Gaara, is intelligent and more than willing to research and learn things on her own time in order to help her teammates, and was specifically very worried about Naruto getting Kurama extracted, I think it would be perfectly reasonable if Sakura reveals that she has been researching the technique in the meantime.
 
Since Kushina did not die immediately from the extraction, I think its likely Naruto will not either, thus allowing Sakura to use the life-transfer technique without loosing her life in the process.
 
2.  I've seen a lot of people theorize that Naruto will be saved by Minato sealing the other half of Kurama in him.  But where was it ever established that sealing another (or the same bijuu again) in someone will save them?  I always thought it was the extraction process itself that strained the jinchuuriki's body so much that it resulted in death, not the mere absence of the bijuu's chakra.  After all, Kushina was planning on resealing Kurama inside of herself and dying.  If putting bijuu chakra back in the body would save the jinchuuiki, then Kushina's plan should have saved her, but no one said that it would.
This is why I think a life-transfer technique is the most likely thing to save him (unless Gaara learned some alternative method of saving him from Kurama), which either Sakura or Kakashi (who was watching Chiyo perform the technique with his Sharingan) are the most likely candidates to perform.

Naruto's process is different, he already has the kyuubi sealed on himself if Kyuubi left behind just a tiny part of it and Minato replenishs it by giving Naruto the other half.
This chapter messed up with the bijuu's standards.

Madara didnt took Kurama's body from him but only the chakra, it's something really confuse and i wont theorize on this any longer.

 

About the life transfer technique, it's a advanced medical ninjutsu, Sakura wasnt dead when it used, it only managed to heal the fatal wound(which she can do it with her medical ninjutsu enhanced by the seal) she received but Naruto's case is different, i dont know what kind of sorcery is this but i think medical ninjutsu is not capable of healing this. 

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 12:34 AM.

[Nostradamus]

1.  Using a life-transfer technique does not always cause the caster to die - recall that Chiyo also used a life transfer technique to save Sakura after she was stabbed through the sword with a stomach.  The wound would have been fatal, untreatable by any medical jutsu but because Sakura wasn't dead yet, Chiyo was able to transfer enough life energy to save her and keep herself alive.  Since Sakura was conscious during the time that Chiyo explained this to Sasori, saw her perform the technique on Gaara, is intelligent and more than willing to research and learn things on her own time in order to help her teammates, and was specifically very worried about Naruto getting Kurama extracted, I think it would be perfectly reasonable if Sakura reveals that she has been researching the technique in the meantime.

 

Since Kushina did not die immediately from the extraction, I think its likely Naruto will not either, thus allowing Sakura to use the life-transfer technique without loosing her life in the process.

 

2.  I've seen a lot of people theorize that Naruto will be saved by Minato sealing the other half of Kurama in him.  But where was it ever established that sealing another (or the same bijuu again) in someone will save them?  I always thought it was the extraction process itself that strained the jinchuuriki's body so much that it resulted in death, not the mere absence of the bijuu's chakra.  After all, Kushina was planning on resealing Kurama inside of herself and dying.  If putting bijuu chakra back in the body would save the jinchuuiki, then Kushina's plan should have saved her, but no one said that it would.

This is why I think a life-transfer technique is the most likely thing to save him (unless Gaara learned some alternative method of saving him from Kurama), which either Sakura or Kakashi (who was watching Chiyo perform the technique with his Sharingan) are the most likely candidates to perform.

Maybe you are right. I could see Sakura using Chiyo's technique without dying. The reason I say Minato could save Naruto's life by giving him the rest of Kurama is because Naruto needs the Kyuubi to defeat Madara and the Juubi, and yes Naruto does have sage mode but there is no way sage mode can defeat such powerful opponents. Another reason is the fact that Minato said he has a gift for Naruto which technically that would mean Kurama. And the last reason we don't really know what exactly would happen if a tailed beast is put back in its host. We know that Kushina wanted to seal the Kyuubi back inside of her and die thus taking the Kyuubi with her but we don't know exactly what would happen. It was never stated what would happen to an Uzumaki if the tailed beast is extracted then put back.

[sushi.]

Paptala, what if a life-transfer technique will only kill the caster if you're performing it on an already dead person? If the person is still alive, you would likely not need to give your entire life-force to them. Seems logical. That's what you meant, isn't it?

However, I'll keep my expectation low as always. Who knows we'll get a beautiful surprise like 631 ;)

Me too. I'm expecting Sakura to appear, but not more. If not in this chapter, the next or next-next. Like someone said, depends on the focus. Sakura's appearance would make so much sense for so many reasons, if it doesn't happen I might suspect Kishi does it on purpose! XD

Edited by sushi., 27 December 2013 - 12:34 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You may noticed on why I don't talk about Sakura. Well, I will address it more later but I will say this: I am only thinking something else in order to not to lose the possibility of Sakura-based ideas. Again, she does have much more advantages than all others in the group and yes, they have been placed as a group while Sakura is placed more than that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Paptala, what if a life-transfer technique will only kill the caster if you're performing it on an already dead person? If the person is still alive, you would likely not need to give your entire life-force to them. Seems logical. That's what you meant, isn't it?

Me too. I'm expecting Sakura to appear, but not more. If not in this chapter, the next or next-next. Like someone said, depends on the focus. Sakura's appearance would make so much sense for so many reasons, if it doesn't happen I might suspect Kishi does it on purpose! XD

I agree, about the technique it doesnt do anything different than Sakura is capable off with her seal if she doesnt give up her life to Naruto.

 

I understand the desire for Sakura somehow save Naruto's life because it's one of the things she wants to, be capable of helping Naruto.

But once again, i feel like Kishi hasnt setup the scenario if he does i'll be surprised since he's pulling a lot of asspulls lately.

 

But also i'm also guilty of this, i wish Naruto dies and Kakashi revives him later, Sakura doenst have any development in terms of losing someome important and could even push her to realize her feelings for Naruto off losing him, and also push towards the fact she experience the same problem Tsunade had.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 12:43 AM.

[Inferno180]

1.  Using a life-transfer technique does not always cause the caster to die - recall that Chiyo also used a life transfer technique to save Sakura after she was stabbed through the sword with a stomach.  The wound would have been fatal, untreatable by any medical jutsu but because Sakura wasn't dead yet, Chiyo was able to transfer enough life energy to save her and keep herself alive.  Since Sakura was conscious during the time that Chiyo explained this to Sasori, saw her perform the technique on Gaara, is intelligent and more than willing to research and learn things on her own time in order to help her teammates, and was specifically very worried about Naruto getting Kurama extracted, I think it would be perfectly reasonable if Sakura reveals that she has been researching the technique in the meantime.

 

Since Kushina did not die immediately from the extraction, I think its likely Naruto will not either, thus allowing Sakura to use the life-transfer technique without loosing her life in the process.

 

2.  I've seen a lot of people theorize that Naruto will be saved by Minato sealing the other half of Kurama in him.  But where was it ever established that sealing another (or the same bijuu again) in someone will save them?  I always thought it was the extraction process itself that strained the jinchuuriki's body so much that it resulted in death, not the mere absence of the bijuu's chakra.  After all, Kushina was planning on resealing Kurama inside of herself and dying.  If putting bijuu chakra back in the body would save the jinchuuiki, then Kushina's plan should have saved her, but no one said that it would.

This is why I think a life-transfer technique is the most likely thing to save him (unless Gaara learned some alternative method of saving him from Kurama), which either Sakura or Kakashi (who was watching Chiyo perform the technique with his Sharingan) are the most likely candidates to perform.

 

Paptala, about 1, yes its true depending on how much of a life transfer is done, one could do it endlessly if they dont go all out in needing to do a life for a life. But as for Sakura or even Kakashi doing the revival of naruto, again, stamina will let naruto survive, he gets patched up in a bit and is fine, a villian like madara would just more likely gloat and watch everyone in despair. Other than that, Sakura could not have learned the technique and with kakashi, remember there are limits to the sharigan. The limits in the copying power are obviously, the eye can never copy kekkei genkei, this includes techniques like shadow possession, mind transfer, etc. Only certain elemental techniques at best could be copied but even the ability is limited to only the pure single elements. The second case is the physical condition and affinities of the user, kakashi is trained well in lightning, and earth. He has fire based on just being a leaf ninja, he has water from his old fight with zabuza. The deal is, kakashi is normally skilled in fire and water compared to his better skill in lightning and earth. He cannot use medical techniques though, its like when sasuke tried to simply copy lee's hidden lotus, it didnt work as well for him because he wasnt used to the physical stain like lee was. I mean if kakashi could use limited medical techniques, he would be better than he is. Lasty the sharigan cannot copy any summonings, summonings are all bound by contracts ninja make with some animals, in rare cases, other prerequistes are needed like having the strength of 100 seal like sakura, tsunade, and possibly Mito.

 

The other deal is, say the night naruto was born, instead of minato dying, lets say Hiruzen was faster to react, and used the reaper death seal on himself and used minato and naruto as the sealings for both chakra halves, kushina would have been able to recover, she just would have been very very very weak, kinda like tsunade after burning out healing everyone from pain.

Edited by Inferno180, 27 December 2013 - 12:58 AM.

[redragon88]

If it's anything like what happened with Kushina then Naruto will not die but will be very drained and unable to do much. It's possible Kurama asked Gaara to protect Naruto and find a way to making him recover. I can only see that by going to the medical ninjas for assistance, which gives the perfect chance for Sakura to enter the scene.

 

Maybe Naruto weakened will give Sakura the push needed to improve her medical abilities, but that's just wishful thinking for now. We all saw that when Shikamaru was dying she was simply giving him the usual medical treatment, so I don't know how it would be different with Naruto.

 

Unless Sakura has that life transfer technique that Chiyo used I don't see Sakura being relevant besides being there for the sake of advancing her development when it comes to her feelings for Naruto.

[sushi.]

If it's anything like what happened with Kushina then Naruto will not die but will be very drained and unable to do much. It's possible Kurama asked Gaara to protect Naruto and find a way to making him recover. I can only see that by going to the medical ninjas for assistance, which gives the perfect chance for Sakura to enter the scene.

 

Maybe Naruto weakened will give Sakura the push needed to improve her medical abilities, but that's just wishful thinking for now. We all saw that when Shikamaru was dying she was simply giving him the usual medical treatment, so I don't know how it would be different with Naruto.

 

Unless Sakura has that life transfer technique that Chiyo used I don't see Sakura being relevant besides being there for the sake of advancing her development when it comes to her feelings for Naruto.

I always thought Kushina would eventually die. Tobi was impressed because she didn't die "right away". It was already clear that she would not survive the night.

 

Difference now is that they're in the middle of a war. The good guys will need to protect Naruto from Madara, who most likely wants to "finish him off".

[redragon88]

I always thought Kushina would eventually die. Tobi was impressed because she didn't die "right away". It was already clear that she would not survive the night.

 

Difference now is that they're in the middle of a war. The good guys will need to protect Naruto from Madara, who most likely wants to "finish him off".

 

That's true. Basically Naruto has a limited time before actually dying and the alliance will have to work in that time frame in order in ensure he keeps on living.

[Rozette]

If it's anything like what happened with Kushina then Naruto will not die but will be very drained and unable to do much. It's possible Kurama asked Gaara to protect Naruto and find a way to making him recover. I can only see that by going to the medical ninjas for assistance, which gives the perfect chance for Sakura to enter the scene.

 

Maybe Naruto weakened will give Sakura the push needed to improve her medical abilities, but that's just wishful thinking for now. We all saw that when Shikamaru was dying she was simply giving him the usual medical treatment, so I don't know how it would be different with Naruto.

 

Unless Sakura has that life transfer technique that Chiyo used I don't see Sakura being relevant besides being there for the sake of advancing her development when it comes to her feelings for Naruto.

 

I always thought that if she possessed a technique like Chiyo's she would be saving it's use for Naruto and Naruto only, if he was in such a dire situation.

[James S Cassidy]

I went with the manga stated as fact.
Sasuke has shown that power, he beat up three akatsukis despite not being able to defeat Itachi but it was normal since Itachi is OP.
The last statement you're comparing different moments of the manga, on that scene Sasuke didnt even had susano'o, and you compared with Naruto at the peak of his power.

 

See, there is the problem right there. The manga has at several moments created several inconsistencies that at times even broke it's own rules. If you think along those lines, and I do because this is a fictional story, you can make any rules or "facts" you want and break them anytime as well.

You should be aware of this when it comes to Madara who has broke several of his own established rules or "facts" in one chapter alone. Yeah Sasuke "beat up" three Akatsuki, but that doesn't mean he won the battle. Sasuke also BARELY "won" those battles because all of them either killed themselves or died. Not once Sasuke has really won a battle with just his pure power alone.

So argument invalid on your part.

 

Naruto is not like DBZ with it's powerlevels because on Naruto it goes down to who has more jutsus and chakra and less weakness.
Naruto has a critical weakness(genjutsu) against Sasuke.

 

You have taken my example way too literally.....again. The point was underestimating the opponent based on the "facts" that are given. Raditz was ten times stronger than Goku, but Raditz lost. Vegeta was even more powerful and again he lost to Goku too. It was because the hero was determined to win and sometimes that is the real difference. It's more than just power levels or strength.

 

 

I find more like it but with a difference, let's theorically say that Batman cant beat Superman Prime but can beat Superman.
So Batman beat Superman but he cant beat Superman Prime, Superman needs Kurama to be Superman Prime.

 

Except, Batman can't beat Superman...period. You want to talk about manga facts yet want to "theoretically" take into an account events that never happened outside Elseworld stories.

 

Here is a fact, Batman has NEVER directly beaten Superman in canon. Not once. Batman even admitted that in all those times Superman could beat him single-handedly if Superman wanted to. Superman holds back his powers A LOT and because of that it has given some of his opponents that ample room to beat him.

This example is invalid.

 

Naruto's jutsus arent lethal, even his rasenshuriken cant kill for some reason, i mean it didnt killed Kakuzu(kakashi land the final blow) Naruto's jutsus arent lethal, that's the difference between them, but it doesnt make them weaker or stronger.
Only bijuudama is the exception obviously.

 

Naruto's jutsu are non-lethal because he has made them non-lethal. He used his rasenshurikan to cut some of the pain bodies in half. While they are not alive, and this is true, what is to say he can't do this to a weaker live person? Also ever notice that he never uses the rasenshurikan against weak enemies? Because it is that lethal. It is has been classified as a S-rank jutsu. A high rank jutsu. Look at what it did to the Zetsu clones.

We also have the fact that he has used it against armored opponents to weaken their armor. As for Kakuzu we have two problems here. 1: Naruto used that jutsu at point blank and not with the blade spinning like a thrown destructo-disk. This means he used the blunt end of it and thats why it didn't just slice Kakuzu in half. 2: I could argue that Kakuzu was dying from his wounds alone and Kakashi just dealt the final blow to end it for him. Like shooting an already dying man for mercy.

 

Hell, going back to my Superman argument. Superman can use his heat vision to obliterate Batman and or incinerate him, yet Superman never uses his heat vision for stuff like that. Why? Because he chooses not to. Not because it is non-lethal.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 December 2013 - 03:58 AM.

[Paptala]

You made a very good point. I didn't really thought of that. Now I'm curious on how it works this whole thing. I hope it's "fair enough" not asspull. That goes to Sasuke. Hahaha. But seriously, I am curious. One thing I want to know is if Minato does give the other half for power sake, will Minato disappear? I never seen an extraction from an Edo. Too much to think over.

I hope its not as asspull either, haha.  I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto's gift was the other half of Kurama, but the consequences of Minato extracting it from himself and giving it to Naruto are unknown.  I could see it going either way - he's technically a zombie, so I would buy if it didn't make him disappear, but I would also buy it if it did end his resurrection.

 

Naruto's process is different, he already has the kyuubi sealed on himself if Kyuubi left behind just a tiny part of it and Minato replenishs it by giving Naruto the other half.
This chapter messed up with the bijuu's standards.

Madara didnt took Kurama's body from him but only the chakra, it's something really confuse and i wont theorize on this any longer.

 

About the life transfer technique, it's a advanced medical ninjutsu, Sakura wasnt dead when it used, it only managed to heal the fatal wound(which she can do it with her medical ninjutsu enhanced by the seal) she received but Naruto's case is different, i dont know what kind of sorcery is this but i think medical ninjutsu is not capable of healing this. 

How is Naruto's process any different (aside from it being one person doing the extraction instead of many)?  Yugito seemed to have mastered her bijuu as Naruto and Kirabi did when the Niibi was extracted from her and it didn't make a difference.  Again, its never been indicated that the absence of bijuu chakra is what kills the jinchuuriki rather than the process of extracting said chakra from their bodies.

 

There is no indication that any portion of Kurama remained in Naruto - recall that when Ichibii was extracted from Gaara, we never saw a physical manifestation of Ichibii - we only saw the bijuu's chakra leaving the jinchuuriki's body, same as here.

 

The life transfer technique is not a medical jutsu - Chiyo flat out says it isn't:  "I have already stopped emergency medical treatment.  What I am doing now is not medical ninjutsu.  I am giving my own life energy.  A tensei (life-transfer) ninjutsu."

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html

 

Sasori also said right before that that Sakura's injury was incapable of being healed with medical ninjutsu, so clearly, a life-transfer can "heal" fatal states to an extent beyond any medical jutsu.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html (bottom panels)

 

Maybe you are right. I could see Sakura using Chiyo's technique without dying. The reason I say Minato could save Naruto's life by giving him the rest of Kurama is because Naruto needs the Kyuubi to defeat Madara and the Juubi, and yes Naruto does have sage mode but there is no way sage mode can defeat such powerful opponents. Another reason is the fact that Minato said he has a gift for Naruto which technically that would mean Kurama. And the last reason we don't really know what exactly would happen if a tailed beast is put back in its host. We know that Kushina wanted to seal the Kyuubi back inside of her and die thus taking the Kyuubi with her but we don't know exactly what would happen. It was never stated what would happen to an Uzumaki if the tailed beast is extracted then put back.

I agree that Naruto probably will need Kurama's power to defeat Madara and that that's probably what Minato was referring to when he said that had a gift for Naruto as well.  He is perfectly capable of being given this, however, after he is saved.

 

Its true that we don't know what will happen if the bijuu is resealed in the jinchuuriki, but it doesn't seem like its ever been presented or set up as a method of reversing the fatal effects of extraction.  Who knows though - perhaps it will be the key to saving him.  I'm not discounting it - I was just confused on why so many people assumed that would save Naruto when I've never seen evidence that it would in the manga.

 

Paptala, what if a life-transfer technique will only kill the caster if you're performing it on an already dead person? If the person is still alive, you would likely not need to give your entire life-force to them. Seems logical. That's what you meant, isn't it?

Yes, that's what I meant - but we know this can be done, since Chiyo did it for Sakura during her fight with Sasori:

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html

 

I agree, about the technique it doesnt do anything different than Sakura is capable off with her seal if she doesnt give up her life to Naruto.

 

I understand the desire for Sakura somehow save Naruto's life because it's one of the things she wants to, be capable of helping Naruto.

But once again, i feel like Kishi hasnt setup the scenario if he does i'll be surprised since he's pulling a lot of asspulls lately.

 

But also i'm also guilty of this, i wish Naruto dies and Kakashi revives him later, Sakura doenst have any development in terms of losing someome important and could even push her to realize her feelings for Naruto off losing him, and also push towards the fact she experience the same problem Tsunade had.

The technique is clearly capable of more than medical jutsu, as demonstrated by Chiyo in saving Sakura during the fight with Sasori.

 

I think Kishi has set up a scenario for Sakura to play a huge role in saving Sakura, if she is capable of performing the life-transfer jutsu in the manner Chiyo did for her in the Sasori fight.  She was there when she and Naruto learned he would die if Kyuubi was extracted from him, her reaction to this news was emphasized, she wants to be able to help Naruto shoulder his burdens more than anything, and Chiyo foreshadowed that Sakura would later risk her life to protect someone precious to her next time (as she was performing the life-transfer technique on Gaara).

If you believe differently, however, than that's perfectly fine.  It's not a given Sakura will play the role I'm hoping she will, I just think that there is enough to evidence to suggest that she might.

 

 

Paptala, about 1, yes its true depending on how much of a life transfer is done, one could do it endlessly if they dont go all out in needing to do a life for a life. But as for Sakura or even Kakashi doing the revival of naruto, again, stamina will let naruto survive, he gets patched up in a bit and is fine, a villian like madara would just more likely gloat and watch everyone in despair. Other than that, Sakura could not have learned the technique and with kakashi, remember there are limits to the sharigan. The limits in the copying power are obviously, the eye can never copy kekkei genkei, this includes techniques like shadow possession, mind transfer, etc. Only certain elemental techniques at best could be copied but even the ability is limited to only the pure single elements. The second case is the physical condition and affinities of the user, kakashi is trained well in lightning, and earth. He has fire based on just being a leaf ninja, he has water from his old fight with zabuza. The deal is, kakashi is normally skilled in fire and water compared to his better skill in lightning and earth. He cannot use medical techniques though, its like when sasuke tried to simply copy lee's hidden lotus, it didnt work as well for him because he wasnt used to the physical stain like lee was. I mean if kakashi could use limited medical techniques, he would be better than he is. Lasty the sharigan cannot copy any summonings, summonings are all bound by contracts ninja make with some animals, in rare cases, other prerequistes are needed like having the strength of 100 seal like sakura, tsunade, and possibly Mito.

 

The other deal is, say the night naruto was born, instead of minato dying, lets say Hiruzen was faster to react, and used the reaper death seal on himself and used minato and naruto as the sealings for both chakra halves, kushina would have been able to recover, she just would have been very very very weak, kinda like tsunade after burning out healing everyone from pain.

Obito's words, however, as well as Minato and Kushina's, imply that Kushina was still going to die eventually from the extraction.  after all, as sushi said, Obito said he was impressed that she didn't die right away.

 

I think Naruto will be in the same state next chapter - slowly dying, but still alive for the moment due to his Uzumaki stamina.

 

Why couldn't Sakura have learned the technique?  She heard Chiyo explain what she was doing twice, was the recipient of it once while being conscious, is highly intelligent and is adept at researching.

 

The life-transfer technique, as I mentioned to Darkrerst, is not a medical-ninjutsu - Chiyo said this flat out.  Therefore, there is nothing in the manga to suggest that he was incapable of copying the technique.

[Moon_Girl]

I'm not sure how I'd feel about Sakura doing that technique. I mean yeah, it would be super NS. But I wouldn't be surprised if Tsunade somehow did it. Or maybe Minato will do something.

But ugh...3 weeks?! Why does he do this to ussss?

 

I'm a bit worried about what will happen next chapter. Pairing-wise.

[T XD]

I think Naruto still alive, but in a weak condition, or dead are two equal possibilities. Going this way or the other will be the same cause eventually Naruto will survive and back on his feet.

 

Like few have said before, for Naruto being weak but alive is related to how Kushina was still alive after Kurama was extracted. It also can be because Kishi chose that, simply. By that, Sakura can apply Chiyo's technique on him, or possibly Minato helps him by using Dark Kurama's chakra or giving it to him, or Gaara is the one who will provide a way to save Naruto if Kurama told him how he can before he's extracted.

 

Minato helping him with Dark Kurama even if it doesn't seem very much valid is still available. The author can give the reason seeing that Naruto being in the process of dying or dead is related to Kurama being extracted from him, so Kishi still have the link for Naruto being saved by Minato's Kurama.

 

For Naruto dead next chapter, the same ways for saving Naruto, as mentioned above, are still the same. I don't see other ways, and I don't think Kakashi will have a role in Naruto being saved by him either. Reaction, yes if Kishi made us see the others reactions, but his role now is about Obito.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2013 - 10:46 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

See, there is the problem right there. The manga has at several moments created several inconsistencies that at times even broke it's own rules. If you think along those lines, and I do because this is a fictional story, you can make any rules or "facts" you want and break them anytime as well.

You should be aware of this when it comes to Madara who has broke several of his own established rules or "facts" in one chapter alone. Yeah Sasuke "beat up" three Akatsuki, but that doesn't mean he won the battle. Sasuke also BARELY "won" those battles because all of them either killed themselves or died. Not once Sasuke has really won a battle with just his pure power alone.
So argument invalid on your part.

So you only applied it to Sasuke but what about Naruto?

It's an IF statement, the same applies to Naruto what if Pain could use Bansho Tenin and Shinra Tensei from the start of the fight would Naruto be capable of winning?
Naruto also barely won against Pain, it relied on external factors in order for him to win.
Kakuzu didnt had all his hearts already, so he wasnt at his max power.
Sakura didnt beat Sasori, he killed himself at the end and etc...

 
 

You have taken my example way too literally.....again. The point was underestimating the opponent based on the "facts" that are given. Raditz was ten times stronger than Goku, but Raditz lost. Vegeta was even more powerful and again he lost to Goku too. It was because the hero was determined to win and sometimes that is the real difference. It's more than just power levels or strength.

it's nothing like DBZ, Sasuke has many jutsus who whcih Naruto show to only counter those with his Kurama mode, he smashed a Susano with one hand, could dissipate flames with his tails, could move way faster, immune to genjutsu and etc...
There's nothing on the sage mode arsenal that is capable of countering Sasuke's abilities, the only things so far that can break a susano'o were, Kurama mode, Tsunade/Sakura punch, and Futon(acid) Mizukage.
 
 
 

Except, Batman can't beat Superman...period. You want to talk about manga facts yet want to "theoretically" take into an account events that never happened outside Elseworld stories.
 
Here is a fact, Batman has NEVER directly beaten Superman in canon. Not once. Batman even admitted that in all those times Superman could beat him single-handedly if Superman wanted to. Superman holds back his powers A LOT and because of that it has given some of his opponents that ample room to beat him.

I said theorically, it's like an hipothetic scenario, i wasnt stating as true just used it as an example.

 
 

Naruto's jutsu are non-lethal because he has made them non-lethal. He used his rasenshurikan to cut some of the pain bodies in half. While they are not alive, and this is true, what is to say he can't do this to a weaker live person? Also ever notice that he never uses the rasenshurikan against weak enemies? Because it is that lethal. It is has been classified as a S-rank jutsu. A high rank jutsu. Look at what it did to the Zetsu clones.

We also have the fact that he has used it against armored opponents to weaken their armor. As for Kakuzu we have two problems here. 1: Naruto used that jutsu at point blank and not with the blade spinning like a thrown destructo-disk. This means he used the blunt end of it and thats why it didn't just slice Kakuzu in half. 2: I could argue that Kakuzu was dying from his wounds alone and Kakashi just dealt the final blow to end it for him. Like shooting an already dying man for mercy.
 
Hell, going back to my Superman argument. Superman can use his heat vision to obliterate Batman and or incinerate him, yet Superman never uses his heat vision for stuff like that. Why? Because he chooses not to. Not because it is non-lethal.

Pain has prove that is easy to dodge a rasenshuriken, the difference is that he didnt knew about Naruto's jutsu there and even was surprised with "it expanded?".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 11:16 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html
 
The technique is clearly capable of more than medical jutsu, as demonstrated by Chiyo in saving Sakura during the fight with Sasori.
 
I think Kishi has set up a scenario for Sakura to play a huge role in saving Sakura, if she is capable of performing the life-transfer jutsu in the manner Chiyo did for her in the Sasori fight.  She was there when she and Naruto learned he would die if Kyuubi was extracted from him, her reaction to this news was emphasized, she wants to be able to help Naruto shoulder his burdens more than anything, and Chiyo foreshadowed that Sakura would later risk her life to protect someone precious to her next time (as she was performing the life-transfer technique on Gaara).
If you believe differently, however, than that's perfectly fine.  It's not a given Sakura will play the role I'm hoping she will, I just think that there is enough to evidence to suggest that she might.
 
Obito's words, however, as well as Minato and Kushina's, imply that Kushina was still going to die eventually from the extraction.  after all, as sushi said, Obito said he was impressed that she didn't die right away.
 
I think Naruto will be in the same state next chapter - slowly dying, but still alive for the moment due to his Uzumaki stamina.
 
Why couldn't Sakura have learned the technique?  She heard Chiyo explain what she was doing twice, was the recipient of it once while being conscious, is highly intelligent and is adept at researching.
 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html

 

Sasori also said right before that that Sakura's injury was incapable of being healed with medical ninjutsu, so clearly, a life-transfer can "heal" fatal states to an extent beyond any medical jutsu.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-274.html (bottom panels)

 

I agree that Naruto probably will need Kurama's power to defeat Madara and that that's probably what Minato was referring to when he said that had a gift for Naruto as well.  He is perfectly capable of being given this, however, after he is saved.

 

The life-transfer technique, as I mentioned to Darkrerst, is not a medical-ninjutsu - Chiyo said this flat out.  Therefore, there is nothing in the manga to suggest that he was incapable of copying the technique.

Yep, but she said she healed a fatal wound, i mean Chiyo baa in terms of medical ninjutsu wasnt on the same level as Tsunade and Sakura are, but anyway, the jutsu as mentioned here 

only managed to heal a fatal wound and Sakura can do this with her own medical ninjutsu, but the fact remains is that "is Naruto injured or wounded?" what kind of problem he has, i mean we dont even know what would probably cause Naruto to die.

I think the only thing i believe is that she wont use life transfer but rather other ninjutsu, that involves the seal.

 

@Bolded.

Also it's superficial, what his comment are, it leads to an inconsistence later on the story, medical ninjutsu could not heal that wound Sakura had but medical ninjutsu was capable of healing Tsunade who was split in half?

Sakura's medical ninjutsu is already above the normal level that she had at that time i thought you would take it in consideration.

What i said is simply that if Sakura doesnt give her life to Naruto, the life transfer technique is no different than her medical ninjutsu at the level she has since she can heal fatal wounds, restore chakra and even stamina.

Also if Sakura needs to use another jutsu, i believe it will be a jutsu of her own that she did on her research she by far is the only one who doesnt have her own ninjutsu.

 

So my beliefs is she will either die using the life transfer technique or she will use an medical ninjutsu that she created on her research.

We can both agree that she will do something for Naruto, i just think that the life transfer technique must be better explained otherwise it will look like a magical ninjutsu who's capable of doing everything if the target is still alive.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 11:27 AM.

[Dkey]

But are we to assume that the chakra shroud that the entire shinobi alliance had faded along with the extraction of Kurama.

 

What if somehow that chakra shroud can be brought back to Naruto to heal the damage caused by Kurama's extraction.

[T XD]

But are we to assume that the chakra shroud that the entire shinobi alliance had faded along with the extraction of Kurama.

 

What if somehow that chakra shroud can be brought back to Naruto to heal the damage caused by Kurama's extraction.

Could be. Maybe that's what Kurama had told Gaara about or told him a way to use that chakra for Kurama to break free.