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[awesome sauce dude]

Was NH and SS obvious in RTN? did I watch the movie wrong? My friend just said that NH and SS was so obvious based off the movie... Im not seeing it

[TouKen4Life3g]

Was NH and SS obvious in RTN? did I watch the movie wrong? My friend just said that NH and SS was so obvious based off the movie... Im not seeing it

Oh man, that movie was a complete opposite.

[awesome sauce dude]

^ lol oh thank you for agreeing. Being in the US sucks... Naruto fandom wise.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^ lol oh thank you for agreeing. Being in the US sucks... Naruto fandom wise.

Tell me about it. If you see the movie, well you know the real truth behind. You could argue anime set up a trap, but perhaps that's our fault for taking the bait.

[Psychox]

Remember guys no fanbase basing. Just a reminder.

 

 

Stay away from anything NaruHina trust me. It drains positive energy. That includes staying away from Naruto Forums and youtube comment section.

 

Yup, I've felt the energy leaving my body when i visited the anti ns tag and those sites you've mentioned,its just awful .
 

 

 

In one of my videos, I had a poster write

"Kishimoto says only sakura can save sasuke from darkness"

-sigh- Where do people come up with this stuff?

 

That is interesting since its content comes from the other sub section of the fandom who don't care about SS at all , inflating Sakura's love for Sasuke making it that she will have some impact on his course of life while manga wise its false  from that line Sai used to mislead Naruto and its kept is such high standard . This is the only thing that is taken at a face value while everything else he says its disregarded and he is ill informed.

I guess at the end when the balloon pops it will come nothing but air and a lot of disappointment .

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Yup, I've felt the energy leaving my body when i visited the anti ns tag and those sites you've mentioned,its just awful .
 

 

I dont feel any energy leaving my body all that i saw was

 

[Psychox]

I dont feel any energy leaving my body all that i saw was

 

That's more or less true , but after a while it gets just frustrating, so much negativity ,forget the logic and that sort of things , its written so sharp and so edgy that after a few minutes you've absorbed some of those folks negative energy  inside you   . Maybe its just me ,but its true .

 

Edited by Psychox, 06 December 2013 - 07:14 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

My god, upgraded to new speed for my internet, and it's smooth as butter. I can see links quickly.

 

So yeah, I got a special treat later for you guys. It's a Christmas remix.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's more or less true , but after a while it gets just frustrating, so much negativity ,forget the logic and that sort of things , its written so sharp and so edgy that after a few minutes you've absorbed some of those folks negative energy  inside you   . Maybe its just me ,but its true .

 

That's the definition of trolling, those posts has no logic other than bait people like you and me to reply on the thread as soon as you reply they win.

[Hiraishin]

咲耶 those translations aren't the best though, the translators took a few liberties.

*also to use the little notes on chapters means absolutely nothing, they are not Kishi's words

Yeah, I noticed that... I think the quotes from databook 3 that 咲耶姫 posted are from the version Viz released.
Would you say this is a better translation of the 'Naruto' section in Sakura's profile?

"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."

[Psychox]

That's the definition of trolling, those posts has no logic other than bait people like you and me to reply on the thread as soon as you reply they win.

Then i guess this is the perfect answer to their so called arguments.

[redragon88]

咲耶 those translations aren't the best though, the translators took a few liberties.

*also to use the little notes on chapters means absolutely nothing, they are not Kishi's words

 

Which translations? The NS or SS ones? Both?

[咲耶姫]

Yeah, I noticed that... I think the quotes from databook 3 that 咲耶姫 posted are from the version Viz released.
Would you say this is a better translation of the 'Naruto' section in Sakura's profile?

"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."

 

Yes, they are from VIZ. But the accuracy of the translation doesn't change my point, Sakura's profil is about her feelings for Naruto, while Sasuke's one is about his story with Sakura. That's what I wanted to point out.

I tried so many times to find the raw version of databooks; but I failed. Now, even the VIZ version of databook 3 isn't findable anymore. 

[Shashank95]

Yes, they are from VIZ. But the accuracy of the translation doesn't change my point, Sakura's profil is about her feelings for Naruto, while Sasuke's one is about his story with Sakura. That's what I wanted to point out.
I tried so many times to find the raw version of databooks; but I failed. Now, even the VIZ version of databook 3 isn't findable anymore.

so are you saying that Viz don't translate it properly ?! Are the databooks written By Kishimoto ?

[Paptala]

To be honest, it's not needed for Naruto. It's one of the stated obvious and pretty much something that is known in story, not in a databook. Databook is telling you the chance and summary that is done, not that it's already established as well as ongoing. Naruto and Sasuke's relationship is always ongoing because they are ongoing. Sasuke's databook 3 got little to no Sakura, because his side of his story with Sakura is pretty much done. Why you think we never see anything new with him and Sakura? Because he's done. You can only go to "Yeah, we're friends now" but it falls under others (K9) as one. Naruto and Sasuke's relationship is the real story for Sasuke.

 

Let's not forget the most important part of this: Sakura is supposed to be the "not lover" person for Naruto. If it's questioned, then surely Naruto and Sakura will be together. This is not the same as Naruto being questioned as well as Sakura, rather it falls under Naruto loves Sakura as she is being questioned. I did explain a while back this, so I will do so again.

 

Character A and Character B shows no sign of romance: little to 0%

Character A being questioned as Character B shows none: 25%

Character A being questioned as well as B/Character A loves B, but no sign from B: 50%

Character A loves B as B is being questioned: 75% or more

Character A and B love each other: Close to 100%

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.  Both Hinata and Sakura's romantic feelings are just as obvious as Naruto's yet they are still mentioned in both of their profiles.  Naruto and Sakura's relationship is just as, if not more so, ongoing that Naruto and Sasuke's.  There is no reason to not give Naruto's section at least a mention of Sakura, if just as his teammate, if not as his love interest.

 

Though I do agree with you about the significance of Sakura's feelings being questioned - hers are the only ones Kishi wants the readers to question, both for Sasuke and for Naruto.

 

I disagree, I don't see why it should be mentionned when it's not necessary. His character is not about his love for Sakura, It's just a characteristic that will never change, so there is no need to remind it in every databook or to put an emphasis on. It's ike his love for ramen, I know it's totaly diffrent but it's just an example, it's a characteristic that is part of him, it is inked in his personnality.

So the only times, a book would talk about his love for Sakura are when the love section is involved. For example, there was the chart where Naruto was linked to Sakura with a "suki" next to the arrow. Or the Love Section in the Kizuna Books.

 

Yous see, I view it as a trait of personnality, not as his main plot, while the main aspect of Sakura's plot revolves around Love. That's why the only time his love was represented in a databook, it was about the POAL, because it moved the main plot which is about Sasuke by putting an emphasis on Naruto's feelings for Sakura. Well at least in my opinion. 

I don't need an emphasis on it - I fully agree that Naruto's story is much more focused on his relaitonship with Sasuke and that his character has much less to do with romantic love than either of the girls' characters do.  I'm just a bit annoyed that there isn't even a mention of it in a single databook.  Sakura is one of Naruto's most important relationships in the series, and that its not mentioned in his profile at all seems to downplay his bond with her.  Not to mention that as far as important events to recap, I think the POAL was one of them and should have gotten a mention in his databook, especially given the role it plays in influencing both Naruto and Sakura and the plot later on in part 2.  But just as you said, these are just opinions on both sides.

 

At least we can all agree that Sakura's profiles are always a lovely source of NaruSaku, and we do get some nice mentions in the Kizuna books. 

 

Yeah, that's something that's always bothered me. Others are saying that it's not really important or necessary, but I agree with you. It's not like I want a section reserved just for Sakura and his love for her, but like you said, I do think it's significant enough to warrant a mention of it, especially since, as you said, there's quite a bit about Sakura in Sasuke's databook 2 profile. Maybe a mention of his love for her in the second databook when talking about the POAL? I know Naruto's databook 2 profile is focused mainly on Sasuke, but I think that would have been okay.

Also, was the POAL really mentioned in the second databook? I just took a look at Naruto's databook 2 profile and I didn't see anything on it (unless the translator took that part out?). It was mentioned in his databook 3 profile, I know that much. It says stuff like, he has to keep that promise and all that. Unless you mean it was mentioned somewhere else, then never mind, heh.

Exactly - just a mention of it in even one of the databooks would suffice for me. 

 

Yeah, I was just talking about it making mention of keeping his promise.  As I said above in my reply to 咲耶姫, given the impact the POAL has had overall, I do think it was more than significant enough to get mentioned at the very least.

 

It is what it is though.  I'm very happy with what we got from Sakura's profiles and the Kizuna books at least.

 

 

It's really interesting that when she initially tells him that she loves him, and when she's talking about Sasuke she looks nervous.  But after she asks if he wants her to explain why, after she walks up to him, hugs him, and starts talking her expression is very different.  She's calm, confident, at peace.  It's like she knows what she feels but only subconsciously.

Precisely!  Her initial expression when she tells Naruto that loves him could easily go either way - its not as forced as the expressions she makes when talking about Sasuke or how she just switched from Sasuke to Naruto, but its not nearly as at ease or as natural as when she's hugging him.  It definitely comes off as Sakura's subconscious romantic feelings for Naruto coming through near the end, and that she was cut off by Naruto seems to suggest even more heavily that she was getting close to broaching her genuine feelings for Naruto.  Kishi has always interrupted Sakura when her true feelings for Naruto are broached, and he purposefully does this to raise questions about Sakura's feelings for the reader, to tease and build up to a final reveal (which I'm fairly confident will be a romantic epiphany on Sakura's part that she has been in love with Naruto for a while now).

 

Since this is a visual medium as well as a textual one, I think its rather dumbfounding how the stark differences in Sakura's expressions and body language are completely overlooked and dismissed by so many, especially when facial expressions are one of Kishi's strengths as an artist imo.

 

 

Yes, they are from VIZ. But the accuracy of the translation doesn't change my point, Sakura's profil is about her feelings for Naruto, while Sasuke's one is about his story with Sakura. That's what I wanted to point out.

I tried so many times to find the raw version of databooks; but I failed. Now, even the VIZ version of databook 3 isn't findable anymore. 

Here are links to the raws of each databook:

 

Databook 1

Databook 2

Databook 3

[咲耶姫]

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.  Both Hinata and Sakura's romantic feelings are just as obvious as Naruto's yet they are still mentioned in both of their profiles.  Naruto and Sakura's relationship is just as, if not more so, ongoing that Naruto and Sasuke's.  There is no reason to not give Naruto's section at least a mention of Sakura, if just as his teammate, if not as his love interest.

 

Though I do agree with you about the significance of Sakura's feelings being questioned - hers are the only ones Kishi wants the readers to question, both for Sasuke and for Naruto.

 

I don't need an emphasis on it - I fully agree that Naruto's story is much more focused on his relaitonship with Sasuke and that his character has much less to do with romantic love than either of the girls' characters do.  I'm just a bit annoyed that there isn't even a mention of it in a single databook.  Sakura is one of Naruto's most important relationships in the series, and that its not mentioned in his profile at all seems to downplay his bond with her.  Not to mention that as far as important events to recap, I think the POAL was one of them and should have gotten a mention in his databook, especially given the role it plays in influencing both Naruto and Sakura and the plot later on in part 2.  But just as you said, these are just opinions on both sides.

 

At least we can all agree that Sakura's profiles are always a lovely source of NaruSaku, and we do get some nice mentions in the Kizuna books. 

 

Exactly - just a mention of it in even one of the databooks would suffice for me. 

 

Yeah, I was just talking about it making mention of keeping his promise.  As I said above in my reply to 咲耶姫, given the impact the POAL has had overall, I do think it was more than significant enough to get mentioned at the very least.

 

It is what it is though.  I'm very happy with what we got from Sakura's profiles and the Kizuna books at least.

 

Precisely!  Her initial expression when she tells Naruto that loves him could easily go either way - its not as forced as the expressions she makes when talking about Sasuke or how she just switched from Sasuke to Naruto, but its not nearly as at ease or as natural as when she's hugging him.  It definitely comes off as Sakura's subconscious romantic feelings for Naruto coming through near the end, and that she was cut off by Naruto seems to suggest even more heavily that she was getting close to broaching her genuine feelings for Naruto.  Kishi has always interrupted Sakura when her true feelings for Naruto are broached, and he purposefully does this to raise questions about Sakura's feelings for the reader, to tease and build up to a final reveal (which I'm fairly confident will be a romantic epiphany on Sakura's part that she has been in love with Naruto for a while now).

 

Since this is a visual medium as well as a textual one, I think its rather dumbfounding how the stark differences in Sakura's expressions and body language are completely overlooked and dismissed by so many, especially when facial expressions are one of Kishi's strengths as an artist imo.

 

Here are links to the raws of each databook:

 

Databook 1

Databook 2

Databook 3

 

Thank you! I'm gonna translate some pages during Christmas Holidays, so next week. 

[Paptala]

^ Awesome!  I'm really excited to see your translations!  

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.  Both Hinata and Sakura's romantic feelings are just as obvious as Naruto's yet they are still mentioned in both of their profiles.  Naruto and Sakura's relationship is just as, if not more so, ongoing that Naruto and Sasuke's.  There is no reason to not give Naruto's section at least a mention of Sakura, if just as his teammate, if not as his love interest.
 
Though I do agree with you about the significance of Sakura's feelings being questioned - hers are the only ones Kishi wants the readers to question, both for Sasuke and for Naruto.

I'll be honest, but I could have sworn Hinata's profile for DB3 has like ambiguous style of love as in take it as admiration or true love. While we do know she does love him, it's just not as significant. I don't care what anyone says but hers is not near as Sakura's for Naruto. Anyway, here's the thing. I understand what you mean, but the thing is Naruto is complicated in terms of him doing so many things in his life.

Ok, here's something I learned. The protagonist in a world of non-romance series (as in not romance genre) won't mention the love interest unless they are in love already. I realized that the target love interest is the one who gets the love aspect in their profile, not really the protagonist. The protagonist would at times just get either "he/she has an interest though it's not really known" or "doesn't seem to understand the love from others". When the love does happen, then it will be there. So the fact that Sakura has it, you know it's all obvious. Like hell Naruto would ever chnage after she changed.

Again, it's like what we said long time ago. If Hinata hugs Naruto, it's like we know the deal. If Sakura hugs Naruto, it's pretty shocking because she's not supposed to love him. Again, no matter what, you should be all happy. No doubt the DB3 is not saying Naruto's love means nothing. After all, DB3.5 says "Sorry."

[Shadow1275]

I don't think that works when a Biju and Jinchuriki are in sync, like Naruto and Kurama are, otherwise Sasuke could have used his Sharingan to suppress Gyuki when he and Taka fought B, there is no reason that it would only work with Kurama and none of the other 8 Biju.

I don't know about that. My opinion is that Kishi wrote himself into a hole with the Uchiha tablet showing the potential power of sharingan controling Biju. When Taka did fight B, my guess is that  he didn't want a two second fight as he wanted to establish B's character strength as well as showcase Sasuke's new powers. Though I hav to disagree about the whole sync thing only bc of Naruto's fights with Itachi. Every time he fights Itachi he gets controlled by his genjutsu. If the sharingan can control both the Kyubi and Naruto individually, it's not hard to believe that it could control them in the Kyubi mode. 

[Paptala]

I'll be honest, but I could have sworn Hinata's profile for DB3 has like ambiguous style of love as in take it as admiration or true love. While we do know she does love him, it's just not as significant. I don't care what anyone says but hers is not near as Sakura's for Naruto. Anyway, here's the thing. I understand what you mean, but the thing is Naruto is complicated in terms of him doing so many things in his life.

Ok, here's something I learned. The protagonist in a world of non-romance series (as in not romance genre) won't mention the love interest unless they are in love already. I realized that the target love interest is the one who gets the love aspect in their profile, not really the protagonist. The protagonist would at times just get either "he/she has an interest though it's not really known" or "doesn't seem to understand the love from others". When the love does happen, then it will be there. So the fact that Sakura has it, you know it's all obvious. Like hell Naruto would ever chnage after she changed.

Again, it's like what we said long time ago. If Hinata hugs Naruto, it's like we know the deal. If Sakura hugs Naruto, it's pretty shocking because she's not supposed to love him. Again, no matter what, you should be all happy. No doubt the DB3 is not saying Naruto's love means nothing. After all, DB3.5 says "Sorry."

Hinata's love is presented ambiguously, imo - isn't her confession even placed under encouragement in the Kizuna books?  And the databook says Naruto is the embodiment of confidence and potentital to Hinata.  But regardless of how it is presented, her bond with him is still mentioned, which was my entire point.  I'm not fussy how they present the bond so long as they mention it to begin with.

 

But yes, I certainly agree Sakura's love for Naruto, regardless of whether one thinks it is romantic or platonic in nature, far outweighs Hinata's for Naruto.  You don't need too look any further than their thoughts in 573, imo, to see which girls' feelings are more genuine; one girl is thinking of her feelings, and the other is thinking of Naruto's.

 

I think you're misundertanding me - I don't think that it makes NS any less possible to become canon.  I have zero doubt that Naruto is in love with Sakura, or that NS is the most likely at this point for endgame.  It simply annoys me (and is a bit odd to me at least) that his profile doesn't mention Sakura at all, since she is one of his most significant bonds in the series. 

 

I understand where you're coming from in a sense, since Naruto's storyline has much less to do with romance than the girls' and as the main character in an action shounen manga he is far more involved with other plot central issues, but that doesn't mean I appreciate them seemingly completely leaving out such an important bond as his with Sakura.

Edited by Paptala, 07 December 2013 - 05:47 AM.