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[Chatte]

I don't see how can anyone miss the point of this chapter.

What do you mean?

[TouKen4Life3g]

What do you mean?

Well, with the whole friends part and all. It's easy what Kishi is pretty much saying here. Man, I wish I didn't need sleep, but I do feel sleepy. Once I'm up, I will continue.

[Hanabi]

quick summary of this chapter

And I had to share this quote

Those are not in the 'original' Team 7, kindly proceed this way. Uh oh, Kurama has only nine tails and we still have Sai. Sorry Neji, you got the short straw.

Edited by Hanabi, 16 October 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[morgaine4]

 

Actually, It's more like chakra manipulation instead of pure ninjutsu. Lee can use chakra (water-walking, anyone?) He just can't form them into ninjutsu.

 

 

I think the opposite. In fact, it's even more Anti-NS. Why?? if Sakura took on a spousal role, wouldn't he have asked her to help? because, that's what partners in life do. Believing in each other and supporting each other. At this point, the very fact that he didn't ask for her help shows that he doesn't even trust her at all.

 

I'll give you one very damn good example: Ed and Winry (FMA).

 

When Winry chose to help Scar (who killed her parents), instead of being furious with him at Briggs, Ed clearly voiced his displeasure while Winry adamantly stood by her position. In the end, he relented and supported Winry's position. And again, when she came up with the plan, Ed refused to let go of her. Again, he gave up (the fact they were pressed for time, also helps). Finallyy, when Winry asks Ed to keep her favorite earrings, she shows faith that he will come back to her.

 

Now, you tell me that NS surpasses those two. This, above is the perfect example of a pairing trusting in each other. Give me one example that is like the above. A consensual moment of them believing in each other.         

 

Why don't we stop comparing Naruto to other manga?  I get that you like FMA (and I've heard good things about it), but this is Kishi's story and Kishi has introduced very specific themes (based on Japanese --and greater Asian-- cultural ideals), and it is through his work that his work should be judged.  Not based on other work, just because we like the way things were presented in that work.  I can't speak on FMA, I haven't read it, I don't know how hero-centric it was, how much of an idealized version of a non-tragic hero's journey it was, and I don't understand what it has to do with this story, with the themes Kishi has set-up.

[redragon88]

@Codus N

 

I get that you want to see more about Sakura and how she relates to Naruto but for now we can only keep waiting to see how it develops.

 

Remember how before the Edo-Hokages arrived people kept complaining how Sakura had as much relevance as a fodder-nin, how she didn't have any notable powers, how she didn't involve herself in the battle, that Hinata was given the role of new heroine, that apparently Naruto was starting to like Hinata and that all the hints about NS were for nothing.

 

Remember what happened afterwards? Sakura began to take a more relevant role by healing left and right from Naruto (the key to victory) all the way to the fodders, Sakura was revealed to have the byakugo which closes the gap between her and Tsunade, she took out more juubi clones than the rookies combined, Hinata went back to the background with small moments focused solely on her and not NH, Naruto was once again confirmed to like Sakura by claiming she's his girlfriend now (to this day I still chuckle about that scene), and Minato confirmed the foreshadowing established by Kushina of Naruto finding a girl like his mom.

 

When you think about all of that, if before the edo-Hokages arrived someone would've told the fandom that all of that would happpen in the future I think none would've believed them and some would've laughed at their face.

 

My point being that Kishi has definitely proven some of our negativity wrong, so I'll give him the chance to further do so in the future.

 

@Chatte

 

Maybe Tobirama just didn't want to settle down. Probably had a girl for each day of the week. That player.

 

I don't see how can anyone miss the point of this chapter.

 

What was the point of it from your perspective?

[Atheck]

Others have probably already assumed this but the DNA sword might be the precursor for KG. Maybe Hagoromo bestowed a unique ability that was traceable through a person's blood during his years as a sage providing the wisdom of chakra and ninjutsu to the world. The only genetic inheritance that might have come into existence independently without his influence are the traits of Juugo's clan. 

[rocci]

i think we can compare a manga work with other manga work. i usually do that too.

but what i see people didn't compare it with the same class/thing idontknow.

 

i mean people like to compare sakura heroine with the other manga heroine especially this manga (lucy from fairytail and mikasa from attack from the titan). i think it's not fair because sakura is not the second focus character. she's the third if not the fourth after kakashi in term of focus and developement.

 

and do you think the like of fairy tail, onepice, bleach, and aot has the same conflict like naruto. i mean in naruto you have a love triangle between boy>girl>boy and on top of that the boy x boy is a rival which take 60% of focus in this manga.

if in fairytail mashima show that natsu desperately in love with lucy who love gray and gray want to join the dark guild to avenge his family than yes we can compare. but in reality lucy IS the narator of it's own manga and as expect she will have some importance.

 

to be continue 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Why don't we stop comparing Naruto to other manga?  I get that you like FMA (and I've heard good things about it), but this is Kishi's story and Kishi has introduced very specific themes (based on Japanese --and greater Asian-- cultural ideals), and it is through his work that his work should be judged.  Not based on other work, just because we like the way things were presented in that work.  I can't speak on FMA, I haven't read it, I don't know how hero-centric it was, how much of an idealized version of a non-tragic hero's journey it was, and I don't understand what it has to do with this story, with the themes Kishi has set-up.

Well, you're right about comparison. They all have different aspects. In FMA, Winry is not in battlefield all the time or in line of one, so the character development differs from each other. Her is more simple while Sakura is in the battle where dark side of life is presented in front of her as well as the hardship of a hero. I do enjoy more of one who has a normal fun life but in battlefield, it's all scary. Not to say that other pairings who has the characteristics of not a fighter is lackluster, it's more about to each of their own. It's like this:

 

Love interest being at home/not involved as a fighter = stays away from the darkness of life though get dragged in at some points (FMA, KHR)

Love interest being in battlefield with a normal life at times = witness many hardship of a hero, draws strong concern, and get in-depth of their friendship due to fear of losing one (Naruto, AoT)

 

That's my take. I would go further, but I NEED TO SLEEP. IT'S 6 AM!!!

 

What was the point of it from your perspective?

Well, I really need to sleep, so I will just quote my old posts. Sorry. I will respond if you want me to.

 

 

Well, I jinxed it by being a chapter all about that one attack, but it is the most important one. Now that we know it hit him, what's next? It's crazy to think that this chapter devoted to friends because here's the thing, Obito has imagined a scene of what if Obito NEVER went bad after Rin's death. Could he really achieve Hokage? Could he have friends on his side? Could he have gotten his dream? Could he have a life? I got to say, that's sad but it's something that the path was missed because there's only one choice and never going back.

 

Here's one thing I find it funny: Sakura wasn't part of it because Rin doesn't exist in Obito's could have been future. What's more crazy is that since Sasuke was in presence, it filled in the Kakashi's position with Obito. Now I don't know why he would think that though it would seem the faction that was created just now got him thinking about the path that he could have taken.

 

So, is it truly over? We don't know but we did got trick before, so I will hold my ground and wait for next chapter. Madara could step in, but how can he make it prologue so long for 6 more chapters. If this part didn't work, well it at least make him on the road to TnJ really close. So what's next? I have no idea. If the attack did in fact knocked him down, I don't know what will happen. If the attack only injured him enough to get in caution status, then the fight continues but it begs the question if he does survive, what's going to happen to Naruto and Sasuke? This attack must defeat him or god knows they may be out of chakra. One thing I just remember, Naruto is not truly done because he still have to extract those bijuus. Now if we truly come to that, how you think the situation would go down? Will Sasuke actually disagree heavily? So yeah, there's many turmoil on the horizon, whether Obito is down and out or not. It doesn't help if Madara is still left. So yes, the only question in your head right now should be: Is he defeated?

 

 

I think the reason why Kishi wrote the way for friends to help Naruto to push Rasengan is because this aspect covers and in my opinion completing the talk of friendship to Obito because many has covered and now the filling in the empty space is finally addressed. Is it ridiculous? Perhaps, but again, it was one way to come across it. You know, I get the feeling that the reason why Obito saw the vision is probably because the fact he clashed with Naruto's power, which seems to be the case with clashes. Remember how Naruto and Sasuke clashed and they're in another world altogether. Perhaps Naruto's will power was getting to Obito and that's why he lost the clash because of seeing where he would have been.

[Chatte]

@Chatte

 

Maybe Tobirama just didn't want to settle down. Probably had a girl for each day of the week. That player.

Everyone wants a piece of Tobirama.

[morgaine4]

@Chatte

 

Maybe Tobirama just didn't want to settle down. Probably had a girl for each day of the week. That player.

 

 

 

 

I hope that Tobirama wouldn't settle down.  His Hotness must be shared.  =P  He is supposed to be a good guy after all, he can't disappoint the ladies!

 

 

Well, you're right about comparison. They all have different aspects. In FMA, Winry is not in battlefield all the time or in line of one, so the character development differs from each other. Her is more simple while Sakura is in the battle where dark side of life is presented in front of her as well as the hardship of a hero. I do enjoy more of one who has a normal fun life but in battlefield, it's all scary. Not to say that other pairings who has the characteristics of not a fighter is lackluster, it's more about to each of their own. It's like this:

 

Love interest being at home/not involved as a fighter = stays away from the darkness of life though get dragged in at some points (FMA, KHR)

Love interest being in battlefield with a normal life at times = witness many hardship of a hero, draws strong concern, and get in-depth of their friendship due to fear of losing one (Naruto, AoT)

 

 

Interesting.

 

Now, go to sleep!  G'night =)

[六道仙人]

Strange chapter. I dunno why but I'm glad that Sakura wasn't part of the minions group's Naruto that have hit Obito. It's seems that Kishimoto (and also Naruto) puts here on another different category. That Sakura isn't part of friendship league. Who cares about haters who criticize Sakura's inaction in this chapter, they still don't see the point in this chapter.

About Tobirama... His nature, already suggested by his schedules on databook and fanbook years earlier, suggests that he was a kind fierce and angry dude that I always have thought he wasn't just a marrying type.

[Chatte]

Strange chapter. I dunno why but I'm glad that Sakura wasn't part of the minions group's Naruto that have hit Obito. It's seems that Kishimoto (and also Naruto) puts here on another different category. That Sakura isn't part of friendship league. Who cares about haters who criticize Sakura's inaction in this chapter, they still don't see the point in this chapter.

About Tobirama... His nature, already suggested by his schedules on databook and fanbook years earlier, suggests that he was a kind fierce and angry dude that I always have thought he wasn't just a marrying type.

He's scaring the ladiez away, lol!

[Branden]

I really hope that this is one of those moments where it seems like the good guys are winning but then they realize they're no match for their opponent.

 

We've seen how much power the Kyubi has, right now it's powering the entire alliance even after it's been spammed and exhausted for the last 150 chapters almost. Obito has the rinnegan and the Juubi. It's about time he used them. If Kishi has Obito defeated this easily then he's a failure as a writer. It's bad enough there's plotholes to be found in almost every chapter nowdays, but random power ups and speech chapters are only making things worse.

 

I keep doing this every week, assuming that next week it's going to be better, but at this point I just don't know. Maybe Naruto was never meant to be taken seriously, maybe it's not as well thought out and meaningful as I once thought it was. I just don't understand how Kishi could have made the series worse after over a decade of experience. I hope once this war arc is over he can get back to the traditional flow of the manga, the stuff he's good at. I think Kishi tried to do something new with this war arc and failed, but he keeps trying to redeem it and ends up making it worse. At this point I think he should just cut his losses and proceed with the main story.

[rocci]

@branden

i think what kishi trying to do in this war arc is closing as much as conection with narutoverse that not team seven(naruto,sasuke, sakura). 

Edited by rocci, 16 October 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[harry4e]

So was Obito defeated? Does this mean we get a break from the war soon, or more likely the real enemy takes centre stage? Let's be honest here as enemies go Obito was one of the most lame if not the most lame one we had, his motivations for world domination make no sense, and worst of all he has the nerve to mock other peoples resolve when he himself proved to have the least amount of resolve from them all.

 

Was a prety cool chapter if just for the awesome factor, with the Kurama/Sasunoo which I beleive looked better than Madara'a version, and then the Rookie 8+Sai getting a Kurama coat and attacking with the Rasengan.

 

Other than that there isn't much to say about the fact, I get the feeling Kakashi is still in the other world for a reason, if Obito is defeated and Madara does take over,  then him being in the other world might play a important role.

 

I bet right at this moment the other members of the alliance are feeling like extra, they are in a middle of a war all the major players from each side being from the same vilage.

 

Edit: I wonder if that DNA sword will be needed to split the seven Bijuu up again?

Edited by harry4e, 16 October 2013 - 11:18 AM.

[Quinny52]

@reddragon88 & @Chatte  - Or maybe Tobirama and Shikamaru have more in common than we thought, and perhaps they have similar opinions on women. Here's to Shika surpassing the older generation in that regard as well. 

 

 In regard to the chapter, I would've liked it to been longer, but it was exciting nonetheless.

 

For a brief moment, Obito allowed himself to imagine what could've been if he had returned to Konoha following Rin's death, of the people in his life who were still there to try and help fill the gap left by Rin's passing, and it was reflected in the K11 and Sai's conjoined  assault on him. But it seems that Obito had (as another put) seperated Rin and his peers into two distinct categories, and to Obito, Rin was his world. When that world ended, everything else in Obito's life became irrelevant.  Yet Naruto, who has faced hardship for nearly all his life, never once chose to forsake the bonds he had strived to build. It could've been different though; circumstances need only have been different and Naruto and Obito may have found themselves on opposite sides, and this is visually referenced in the panel where their faces appear to 'merge' (very much like how Harry Potter's and Voldemort's faces  'merge' during their aparition struggle in DH Pt. 2).  

 

I think Kishi is strongly hinting that the biggest difference maker between these two, the factor that has shaaped their paths from when were joined and then diverged, is the fate of the love interest; Naruto still has Sakura (his 'Rin') in his life, while Obito lost Rin. It is here (with the events of this chapter) is where I think the parallel between Sakura and Rin will be made, and it ponders the question:

 

Will an attempt be made on Sakura's life, be it through Obito's hand, Madara's... or even Sasuke's??

Edited by Quinny52, 16 October 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[六道仙人]

Something tells me that this chapter isn't still the end for Obito.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Something tells me that this chapter isn't still the end for Obito.

Ofc not but i dont know if he already accepted the redemption now which proved me right that Kishi didnt do Obi/Rin parallel because it would make NS canon or Obito will keep denying it, 

But i guess that it's already time that Madara will step in and take the juubi now that Obito is weakened probably.

 

Also Sakura's hair is growing back again and those bangs probably is because her headband flicked on 632

 

Note: i'm glad that Sakura wasnt on the rasengan team, there were only Naruto's friends of the second category, she's not on the same level as them.

 

 

@Hashirama

He's Op he defeated this combination with one jutsu and look at Obito which is the Juubi jinchuuriki and could not handle it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 October 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[HauntedCake]

Great chapter!

 

The k11 with rasengans

[六道仙人]

again proud that Kishimoto didn't make Sakura one of Naruto's kittenies as he did with K11.