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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:32 AM

So, getting another topic going, 
 
When do you guys think Sasuke will betray Naruto if he does? 

I'll say either after the fight or not happening at all.

After the troubles are over, there are two routes. One is Sasuke just stabs him. The other is when it's all calmed, Sasuke reveals his plan and Naruto doesn't like the sound of it and Sasuke keeps getting pissed for letting Naruto talking back at him, and bam, clash. I got this from a recent game, which is odd because I can so see this.

The not happening part would be when Sasuke just leaves him alone with others as Naruto got the message. Sasuke will give him a break to recover in order to get ready for one last showdown. That and Sasuke needs power-up(s). Plus, don't want a party pooper. Lol.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:36 AM

Can I asks you guys a question? I don't know this already discussing but it come into my mind wondering about. I have seen Sakura holding an axes in manga cover. I don't know it can appear to show it a clue to cut down the tree? It sound silly I had in mind. What do you think?

Yeah, when the tree showed up l commented that, if Sakura had an axe like she does on several covers, she would use that on the tree. :P

But like NS4Life, for the most part those weapons they had on those various covers probably just foreshadowed their future traits; in Sakura's case, he would be wielding huge axes, indicating her future strength. Then there were a few where Sasuke had a sword and where Naruto had a scroll, also indicating future traits - though in their cases, they actually came to wield those weapons/tools... Man I wish Sakura had an axe. :sad: I always have. It would really come in handy right about now, too. Perhaps Kishimoto intended for her to have one, but as he expanded on other characters/storylines his plans for her got lost in the crowd, so to speak...
 

where is it? i've seen naruto carrying an axe... with haruno sakura's name on it! that sly kishimoto...
 
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I love this cover. But the chain thingies always confused me. The way they wrap around his body/the axe makes no sense.  :argh: or maybe it's just me idk.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:44 AM

Yeah, when the tree showed up l commented that, if Sakura had an axe like she does on several covers, she would use that on the tree. :P

But like NS4Life, for the most part those weapons they had on those various covers probably just foreshadowed their future traits; in Sakura's case, he would be wielding huge axes, indicating her future strength. Then there were a few where Sasuke had a sword and where Naruto had a scroll, also indicating future traits - though in their cases, they actually came to wield those weapons/tools... Man I wish Sakura had an axe. :( I always have. It would really come in handy right about now, too. Perhaps Kishimoto intended for her to have one, but as he expanded on other characters/storylines his plans for her got lost in the crowd, so to speak...

I love this cover. But the chain thingies always confused me. The way they wrap around his body makes no sense.

That's pretty common with writers. It doesn't matter how planned the story is, that b*tch writer's block will get in the way some how.

 

Either that or so much time has passed and he thought up some better ideas or something. It's hard to keep your characters constant, especially for younger writers.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:50 AM

I love this cover. But the chain thingies always confused me. The way they wrap around his body/the axe makes no sense.  :argh: or maybe it's just me idk.

 

weird, couldnt find any cover of sakura with axe lol. but the chain thingies help bind the weapons to naruto's back i suppose.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:57 AM

 

weird, couldnt find any cover of sakura with axe lol. but the chain thingies help bind the weapons to naruto's back i suppose.

 

I did recall that but I don't know what chapter cover is in. I remember it should be around in part 1.

 

 

 

Found it on google but I don't know where is in Chapter.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:10 AM

 

I did recall that but I don't know what chapter cover is in. I remember it should be around in part 1.

 

Since I'm doing nothing I've just taken a look at all part 1 covers and haven't find any cover with her holding an axe. I'll edit this post when I finish all covers.

 

^^^^ Edit: You sure it's a cover? I didn't find anything where I looked.  :ermm:


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:15 AM

I did recall that but I don't know what chapter cover is in. I remember it should be around in part 1.

 

 

 

Found it on google but I don't know where is in Chapter.

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cool, thanks! sasuke blowing the flute to foreshadow the sound 4 involvement, naruto yin yang scroll to foreshadow.... light and dark kurama i guess. kishi tell us what does sakura's axe means! :argh:


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:21 AM

 

Since I'm doing nothing I've just taken a look at all part 1 covers and haven't find any cover with her holding an axe. I'll edit this post when I finish all covers.

 

^^^^ Edit: You sure it's a cover? I didn't find anything where I looked.  :ermm:

 

I guess not...? I guess that a color poster or something? I don't know...

 

Found it

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It in chapter 162. I am gonna look from the first one I just found.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:25 AM

OK, I've found one source.

 

This image can be found in the first Naruto Artbook named The Art of Naruto: Uzumaki.

 

http://naruto-fans.c...ruto-artbook-1/

 

However I'm not sure whether any of these images are exclusive to the book or if they all are included within the manga volumes.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:45 AM

I guess the first one I found must be from artbook. Oh well, my bad. Sorry if that happen.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:52 AM

I guess the first one I found must be from artbook. Oh well, my bad. Sorry if that happen.

 

It's all right, actually I find it very likely to be included with a chapter. We just have to find which. Anyway, at least we know the image exists.  :happy:  


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:23 AM

 

It's all right, actually I find it very likely to be included with a chapter. We just have to find which. Anyway, at least we know the image exists.  :happy:  

 

Yeah. Thank for giving me clearly to see that.

I might know what is the reason for Sakura having an axes.

 

Now I might draw her with ax, lol. Oh well.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

If Sasuke were to return to the village, I don't think he and Sakura will talk much. Sakura might forgive him for what he has done to both her and Naruto, but I don;t think she'll forgive him entirely. I think deep down she'll be biting her lower lip every time she sees him.

 

But that's all just my opinion.

 

I think they'll become close through their closeness with Naruto, and they'll be able to work well together as teammates and because of their relationship with Naruto but I don't think they'll be particularly close UNLESS Sasuke redeems himself so much that he decides he wants medical help, goes to Sakura resulting in Sakura (with the assistance of Ino, perhaps) having breakthroughs in psychology/psychiatry.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:59 AM

That is the cover from the volume where Sai learns about Naruto's bond with Sasuke.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:03 PM

That is the cover from the volume where Sai learns about Naruto's bond with Sasuke.

 

Ahh Okay. Odd it put in shippuden, I thought it in part 1. Oh well.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:22 PM

It be so awesome if she gets an axe.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:44 PM

One arguement I never get tired of from pairing debates is how some people try to pull the UNS2 and 3 arguements for NH, there are 2 that just make me laugh to no end. First is the "secret lovers" one due to the team up of Naruto and Hinata and people think that because it says that, they think Naruto automatically just loves Hinata and that this somehow merits itself back into the manga despite it being a game derived from the manga. Yet in truth, the whole aspect of these team up names in the series is when 2 or 3 people are teammed up, a name can form based on their affliation to village, fighting style, clan, organization, rank, title, even similar traits and special cases too.

 

Teams in the game range from simple like: Team 7, Team 10, Best friends (only naruto and Sasuke), Jinchurki (any of the 9 jinchurki), Taka, Akaksuti, Uchiha brothers, dangerous fellows (Itachi and Kisame), sensei and student (Lee and Guy), gutsy master and student (Jiraya and Naruto), Monster strength (Sakura and Tsunade), Buyakugan (Neji and Hinata) Myangeko Sharingan (Any uchiha plus kakashi is allowed too), Rivals in love (Sakura and Ino) All set on Sasuke (Sakura, Ino, and Karin), Reincarination (any edo tensei characters), puppet masters (Kankuro, Chiyo, Sasori), artists (Sai, Sasori, Deidara), Leaf village joinin (Kakashi, Asuma, Guy, or Yamato), Root (Sai, Danzo), Cornered rats (Hidan, Kakuzu, Yugito), native village teams (any 2 people from the same village even those who never interacted like Fu (7 tails jinchurki) and Kakuzu who both come from the waterfall village), various Jiraya apprencte teams (Naruto, Minato, Pain, Nagato, Konan) God and angel (Pain and Konan) Sannin (duh) like cats and water (karin and sugetsu). See how this is just a small sample of the teams? There are practically more than 100 team names. The secret lovers one though, did it ever occur to these people rushing in thinking NH is canon or going to be that perhaps this name "Secret lovers" has to do with the fact that Naruto has a secret crush on Sakura as Hinata does on him? Its a similar trait because well think about it, Sakura's love really isn't a secret due to how Naruto knew and how before Sasuke left she displayed hers the most openly. Besides its a game, its based off the canon material not the other way around.

 

Most likely the biggest one of all, in UNS3 as you play the game, 2 paths are open for you to gain items during boss battles of the game, heroes and legends. Heroes is usually easier but tends to follow the canon path such as when facing the 9 tails, you can get bees help or not, legends is harder but Naruto fights Kurama alone without bee in this path. When you hit the max rank in both of these catagories, there are 2 special missions those who walk with heroes and legends, having Naruto go on a trip with Sakura and Hinata respectively. And some people think that because the legends path is harder that this should somehow consititue NH as going canon, despite the fact that the main story of canon for this game goes away near the madara fight, these missions take place after the story mode and technically they never happened. I mean even still the heroes path follows most canon stuff and thats Sakura traveling with Naruto and having a thoughtful moment with him but is it canon? No neither of these are cause they are part of the extra after game content for the player to do. The creators couldn't go further, they had to make the game cause the manga is still in progress, they had to divert the game to end with Obito saying curse you ill be back and then the villages just rebuild. I don't know why some people seek evidence for NH in other media, but thats not helping their case, all media outside the manga is derived from the manga and doesn't impact the manga itself. The anime is secondary in all Naruto media generally having at times expanding other events but thats generally what the manga didnt always have time to address. Even as it seems like certain elements of RTN have snuck into the manga as of late, its still not like this at all. The manga is first and formost the top primary source for any pairing evidence, if there truely are any cases of the anime impacting the manga, they are very very few special cases such as these:

Naruto meeting Utakata and encoutering the 3 tails before meeting son goku

the 7 swordsmen weapon the lightning blade Kiba orginated in the pre-shippuden filler arcs with the villian Raiga came to canon during the war arc with the 7 reanimated swordsmen

minor characters like Ayame, the girl who crushes on Gaara both seen first in the anime but later the manga.

A very special case is Sakura's parents, they were first seen in the anime in ep 271 but they were always around in the back lorewise, they always existed just never had screentime. Always mentioned and we knew of them just no clear image. So though we never see them in the manga, because of lore reasons for these simple mentions Kizashi and Meubeki are canon characters.

 

And thats it, hardly ever is the manga impacted by the anime. A game will have even less impact. Its simple fanservice. The anime does it, Naruto SD was literally a dumping ground that attacked all fandoms. The main group of creators (mainly the manga team) they don't even pay attention or possibly even care about the pairing wars, they most likely just brush it off. The anime team and espically the SD team however provoke fun at it, but thats because its not going to let some stupid fanbase delisions guide them. Its the non-canon naruto media development teams that mainly have differing activities in this stuff but when you get down to it, this whole obession with NH fans saying NH will be canon because of this game, no just no, it comes down to simple fanservice. I mean even Sakura had a mission with Naruto in UNS3, you don't see NS fans screaming canon because of that game right? We don't even count RTN as canon, even then its the closest thing to any naruto media with a derived canon base plot, in RTN we only count the NS stuff as how the pairing can work to become somehting more, not as evidence to further it in the main story. But thats what it all is, those missions were just fanservice, the name secret lovers is just referring to the fact Naruto and Hinata have a similar trait in that they secretly love someone, for Naruto he secretly loves Sakura, thats been made evident throughout the series, just so why is it so hard for people to understand this stuff? Hey all I can say at this point, if NH evidence is starting to be taken from areas outside of the anime now, they might as well give up cause without the manga, nothing is going to change espcially at this point.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:58 PM

Say Inferno since you are an excerpt in the Pairing wars of Naruto and ATLA/TLK, what do you know of the Harry Potter Pairing war? Since that's the only pairing I know that could rival Naurto and ATLA/TLK



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:05 PM

 

I think they'll become close through their closeness with Naruto, and they'll be able to work well together as teammates and because of their relationship with Naruto but I don't think they'll be particularly close UNLESS Sasuke redeems himself so much that he decides he wants medical help, goes to Sakura resulting in Sakura (with the assistance of Ino, perhaps) having breakthroughs in psychology/psychiatry.

Sasuke willingly seeking medical help is highly unlikely for he has no reason to actively seek it out even if he is redeemed. According to him and others in the Narutoverse, the only thing wrong with him is his family and thirst for revenge. The only psychological breakthrough Sasuke will experience will be either through Naruto's TnJ or through his battle with Naruto. Sakura will in no way help Sasuke with this breakthrough even if Sasuke were to seek her help. She doesn't understand him. She never has understood him. How can she see what is psychologically wrong with him and then proceed to prescribe pills and other medication to help his mental health when she does not understand one thing about him? One must understand another to a certain extent in order to accurately provide a diagnosis as well as treatment. She does not understand Sasuke or his mental state at all and therefore cannot analyze him properly and accurately. Although such a scenario would be interesting, it's very unlikely it'll happen in canon for this situation would be a little too psychological for this specific series. Mental health and psychology has never been explicitly brought up or analyzed in this series so it will not be brought up at the end either.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:43 PM

Can I asks you guys a question? I don't know this already discussing but it come into my mind wondering about. I have seen Sakura holding an axes in manga cover. I don't know it can appear to show it a clue to cut down the tree? It sound silly I had in mind. What do you think?

 

No, it's only a symbolism of Sakura's strength. She doesn't need an axe when she can use her fists, though I wouldn't have complained if Kishi had given her an axe for a weapon. That's would have been awesome. :sakura:






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