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[rocci]

Well, I wasn't expecting you to concede that the origins behind his love for her was a simple crush, but I suppose I'll take it.
I have to say, however, that the fact that Naruto must put himself through so much suffering and pain for the sake of seeking her love throughout the years is part of the reason I don't necessarily view his love as being good for him.

just like his care for his dear friend sasuke or hinata love to naruto or sakura, ino, karin love to sasuke or hashirama unlogical care for madara or obito love to rin.

it's part of the story and because of the enduring it make them a shinobita

[narusakuluv]

Well, I wasn't expecting you to concede that the origins behind his love for her was a simple crush, but I suppose I'll take it.
I have to say, however, that the fact that Naruto must put himself through so much suffering and pain for the sake of seeking her love throughout the years is part of the reason I don't necessarily view his love as being good for him.

You can ignore my previous post - it got stated much more eloquently already.
And yeah, it hasn't necessarily been good for him. I can definitely agree with you on that. In some ways it has been (she was one of the first people to acknowledge him, he is the sort of person that NEEDS close bonds after not having any for so long, she was his main motivation for defeating gaara, etc.) But in Part II it has certainly been hard for him. On the other hand, loving someone selflessly helps you grow as a person and become stronger. And since he has grown so close to her, Sakura can see his pain and tries to do what she can to help him. Sometimes she is clumsy. But she is learning to grow, just like he is.
Love isn't always easy. But it it endures and lasts past the troubled times then it is nearly always worthwhile in the end .

[Shadow1275]

Well, I wasn't expecting you to concede that the origins behind his love for her was a simple crush, but I suppose I'll take it.
I have to say, however, that the fact that Naruto must put himself through so much suffering and pain for the sake of seeking her love throughout the years is part of the reason I don't necessarily view his love as being good for him.

Well he did call her a babe, that generally means looks over substance. As for love, I can understand why you're frustrated with Sakura for causing him pain by her feelings with Sasuke. However, can we really blame someone for their feelings? To me it seems like 540 illustrates that she is accepting her feelings for Sasuke are wrong. Not just because he is evil but bc he is not the person she really thought she was. Naruto has sacrificed so much for Sakura because he cares for her. But lets face facts, Sasuke is the main cause of Naruto's pain. He sees Sasuke as his greatest failure and we know that he would have gone after Sasuke no matter what.

Love however is tricky, because even though the person we care for may ignore us which can hurt, the little moments where they do show affection can give us strength.

Here are the facts so far

-Sakura cares for Sasuke

-Sakura's feelings for Naruto are unclear

-Hinata cares for Naruto

-Naruto cares for Sakura

-Naruto has not declared a change in his feelings

These facts considered, would you consider Hinata's feelings for Naruto causing her pain, physical or emotional?

Goin to bed right now, if you do respond I'll look at it tomorrow.

[redragon88]

You're taking her love for Sasuke and her desire to be acknowledged by him in disconnect, when they are part of the same line of thought. Ask yourself, why would Sakura want Sasuke to validate her worth, if not for his acknowledgement that her love for him is different than anybody else's? It's a causal relationship.

It's not just acknowledgment of Sakura's love. It's the acknowledgment of Sakura as a person. Sakura has self esteem issues.

The other girls just wanted Sasuke's love for love's sake. For him to be their boyfriend and be lovey dovey all the time. Sakura was seeking more than just that. She wanted to elevate her personal worth. That's what wanting acknowledgment means.

[narusakuluv]

You're taking her love for Sasuke and her desire to be acknowledged by him in disconnect, when they are part of the same line of thought. Ask yourself, why would Sakura want Sasuke to validate her worth, if not for his acknowledgement that her love for him is different than anybody else's? It's a causal relationship.

Because Sakura is shown time and time again as wanting to prove herself. And she does not say she wants him to acknowledge her love specifically. She says she wants him to acknowledge HER. Since she is also shown as wanting Ino to acknowledge her in a flashback that took place before that scene, as well as wanting others to acknowledge her countless times after that.
And yes, of course her reasons for wanting Sasuke to acknowledge her are wrapped up in her feelings for him. She has a crush on him. But it goes deeper than that, as proven by her constant meed to be acknowledged by people she admires, her need to be seen as an equal. And to say that since Sakura likes Sasuke therefore all girls who like Sasuke want him to acknowledge them is a fallacy.

Well he did call her a babe, that generally means looks over substance.

Yes in the beginning of that chapter it seemed to be a very flat, superficial crush. It was proven to be a bit more than that when Naruto figured out the non-superficial reason behind his crush during that very chapter.
Btw, I think Hinata's reason behind her crush is perfectly legitimate and non-superficial. She admired him for his personality (that is very advanced for a girl of her age lol). But Naruto's reasons are also non-superficial. And I like his better because I feel that having common ground (which Narusaku has a lot of) is a better foundation for a relationship than admiring someone.

Edited by narusakuluv, 11 April 2013 - 07:14 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Sakura's remaining development in that regard consists only of her realizing that she doesn't need to do anything major to help him, and that her supporting him is sufficient enough, then what does that make of her overall role as a heroine? Main characters actively effect others; they don't simply cheer for them on the sidelines.

Well, that's another problem, but more coming from the author himself. So, good or bad job on the heroine, it's not my call on how to develop her physically. Again, the whole feelings is separated from other developments as feelings is more of a personal manner. That said well not all the time in all mangas, let alone shounen. A guy can love a girl who don't fight at all. Stuff like this is more of personal developments, which is different. I'm not saying Sakura should not do anything anymore, because who knows what will she get next. But you got to remember, Naruto is incredibly easy impressed by Sakura. When something happens to other, it's like a cool guy impress. Like there are two panels that shows impressive look in a lovely manner. Plus, in the hospital scene, even though Sakura didn't do anything significant, Naruto felt happy that both of them are getting closer to Sasuke, and look where it resulted later, though sadly interrupted.

Look, I know you can dislike her for all I care. That's fine. I'm just saying that there are people that can something impressive or helpful, but it's all about what he feels and honestly, it seems nothing has changed. The only thing he gets is lessons to take notes. Well, I can explain more but it's late, so I'll see if I can explain more. Also, Yamato said it best about what Sakura needs to do to become a great support, which the hospital scene pretty much confirm that he's right.

[Baguette]

I think Crimson may have inadvertently gotten us to try and justify the reasoning behind Sakura's love for Sasuke.

[narusakuluv]

Well, I can explain more but it's late, so I'll see if I can explain more. Also, Yamato said it best about what Sakura needs to do to become a great support, which the hospital scene pretty much confirm that he's right.

Good night everyone, it's been fun (I haven't done this in a LONG TIME).

[rocci]

It's not just acknowledgment of Sakura's love. It's the acknowledgment of Sakura as a person. Sakura has self esteem issues.

The other girls just wanted Sasuke's love for love's sake. For him to be their boyfriend and be lovey dovey all the time. Sakura was seeking more than just that. She wanted to elevate her personal worth. That's what wanting acknowledgment means.

yes, if it's not because ino save sakura from bullying before enter academy, i think sakura will become the shy librarian girl.

Yes in the beginning of that chapter it seemed to be a very flat, superficial crush. It was proven to be a bit more than that when Naruto figured out the non-superficial reason behind his crush during that very chapter.
Btw, I think Hinata's reason behind her crush is perfectly legitimate and non-superficial. She admired him for his personality (that is very advanced for a girl of her age lol). But Naruto's reasons are also non-superficial. And I like his better because I feel that having common ground (which Narusaku has a lot of) is a better foundation for a relationship than admiring someone.

that's why i see nh happen if only naruto doesn't love sakura from the start of series, because despite how big hinata love for him naruto doesn't choose hinata or ino(who is a beauty more than sakura).

[TouKen4Life3g]

yes, if it's not because ino save sakura from bullying before enter academy, i think sakura will become the shy librarian girl.



that's why i see nh happen if only naruto doesn't love sakura from the start of series, because despite how big hinata love for him naruto doesn't choose hinata or ino(who is a beauty more than sakura).

That's funny how Naruto sees Sakura as the staple of beauty. So long as Naruto doesn't see anything wrong with his love with Sakura, which hasn't shown at all, then what's going to change his mind.

[redragon88]

I think Crimson may have inadvertently gotten us to try and justify the reasoning behind Sakura's love for Sasuke.

If that's true then my hat goes down to Crimson for maximum trolling.

But if I may answer that, it's not that Sakura's love for Sasuke is different from the other girls. She still liked him because he was the cool boy. What is different is the reasons for her to want Sasuke to like her back.

Since Sakura has self esteem issues she wants to seek validation by having to coolest guy tell her how great she is. The other girls don't really care about that reaching for validation, they just want Sasuke because they like his coolness.

The other girls aren't seeking Sasuke's validation like Sakura because they don't have the low self esteem problems Sakura has been shown to deal with.

[rocci]

That's funny how Naruto sees Sakura as the staple of beauty. So long as Naruto doesn't see anything wrong with his love with Sakura, which hasn't shown at all, then what's going to change his mind.

what can i say naruto really share with his father taste for woman, both of theme like red head. and only haku he called a beauty who rival sakura before he know it's a trap!!!
this is random but maybe sasuke mother is in love with minato

Edited by rocci, 11 April 2013 - 07:36 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

what can i say naruto really share with his father taste for woman, both of theme like red head. and only haku he called a beauty who rival sakura before he know it's a trap!!!
this is random but maybe sasuke mother is in love with minato

Lol.

Well, perhaps all questions will be answer in the next volume for many conflicts will happen and see who stands.

[redragon88]

Lol.

Well, perhaps all questions will be answer in the next volume for many conflicts will happen and see who stands.

Well, if Sasuke is supposed to have development with Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi when he arrives to the battlefield, it's only logical that before that happens there's some proper build up between Naruto and Sakura to make it interesting.

Naruto already had plenty of development with Kakashi as they fought Obito, so it's reasonable that now it should be Sakura's turn. That would put everything in place for the next Team 7 reunion to focus more on Sasuke.

Let's just hope Kishi hasn't gone retarded and forgot that Naruto and Sakura are actual teammates.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, if Sasuke is supposed to have development with Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi when he arrives to the battlefield, it's only logical that before that happens there's some proper build up between Naruto and Sakura to make it interesting.

Naruto already had plenty of development with Kakashi as they fought Obito, so it's reasonable that now it should be Sakura's turn. That would put everything in place for the next Team 7 reunion to focus more on Sasuke.

Let's just hope Kishi hasn't gone retarded and forgot that Naruto and Sakura are actual teammates.

Well that depends, how long does it take Sasuke and others to get in the battlefield?

[redragon88]

Well that depends, how long does it take Sasuke and others to get in the battlefield?

My guess? Naruto will fight off Madara and Obito for a while. Then the juubi evolves to it's final stage and all hell breaks loose. That's when Sasuke's group arrives.

[TouKen4Life3g]

My guess? Naruto will fight off Madara and Obito for a while. Then the juubi evolves to it's final stage and all hell breaks loose. That's when Sasuke's group arrives.

That's a good prediction. I predict Obito will die first, most likely a sacrifice TnJ, then Madara and the beast will be left standing, only the beast finally reaches to the final stage, then Sasuke and others arrive.

[Baguette]

Well, if Sasuke is supposed to have development with Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi when he arrives to the battlefield, it's only logical that before that happens there's some proper build up between Naruto and Sakura to make it interesting.

Naruto already had plenty of development with Kakashi as they fought Obito, so it's reasonable that now it should be Sakura's turn. That would put everything in place for the next Team 7 reunion to focus more on Sasuke.

Let's just hope Kishi hasn't gone retarded and forgot that Naruto and Sakura are actual teammates.

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That's a good prediction. I predict Obito will die first, most likely a sacrifice TnJ, then Madara and the beast will be left standing, only the beast finally reaches to the final stage, then Sasuke and others arrive.

Given how Obito was the one who first met Sasuke and told/lied to him about Madara's past and the Kyuubi attack, I'd think that Sasuke would at least confront him one more time. Though, technically, Obito was acting on behalf of Madara himself. Eh, I don't really know.

Edited by Baguette, 11 April 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[redragon88]

Sakura? Who's Sakura? --Click here to view--

Oh, that's right how could I forget. Team 7 is composed of Naruto, Hinata and Sasuke. The final chapters will definitely revolve around those three. Sakura was just some secondary character that we were tricked to believe was more than she actually was. Silly me.