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[HauntedCake]

Im' sorry but Naruto stated he had no chance, this is the whole reason why he wanted to control Kurama.

Sasuke + Tobi would beat him easily that moment.

Yeah if it were Tobi and Sasuke fighting him at once he would lose. But 1v1 against Sasuke he would beat Sasuke. Naruto has his one shot Rasen shruiken, unlimited shadow clones bijuu bombs and kuruma. He also potentially has upgrades yet to come ( sage of the six paths??) second half of kurumas chakra???

Susano'o is very powerful but would be destroyed by a bijuu bomb.

[rocci]

Im' sorry but Naruto stated he had no chance, this is the whole reason why he wanted to control Kurama.

Sasuke + Tobi would beat him easily that moment.

I think only tobi who can handle team7, because sasuke is badly injured.

Oh and sakura has moving, just like rin in kakashi gaiden

@hauntedcake

They are equal, if we saw what sasuke can do it had demonstrated in kabuto fight and madara fight.

Edited by rocci, 09 April 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[Inferno180]

Ok just caught up with 10 pages again...


Ok, heres where i stand with the love triangle

*Warning* this ain't going to be a nice post...

Where do i begin to vent my rage...hmmm ok lets start here.

Sakura STILL romantically loves Sasuke even after everything he has done to her. So.... this is the thing that rustles my jimmies the most. I just.. can't fathom how... furious i am with her.

How??? how can she still feel anything for him at this stage?

To me it seems that she puts her Romantic hots above Naruto true selfless love which quite frankly should land her in death row. Yes i say hots because that's all it really is, she has no connection so to speak with him outside her idealism. It's almost like Sasuke is just a prize to show off.

This leads me on to my next point, the "choice" that many of us believe she will have to make... CHOICE??

Dafuq??? so it's generally believed she might still choose Sasuke?? how will this work? let alone show us that Sakura is a herione??? After everything Naruto has done for her she still thinks Sasuke would be the better choice??? due to his outer appearances???

Yes - i am aware that Sakura did try to learn what Sasuke was like underneath but she failed in this utterly.

So, if NS is to happen there can't really be a compromise when it comes to how she feels about both of them. Naruto will never accept Sakura if she still has any lingering feelings for Sasuke. Which basically means its going to be a "all or nothing" scenario. It can't really play out like it did in Dragon Quest because Naruto has shown that he will never accept Sakura if she still has feelings for Sasuke (the lie to yourself thing). So Sakura is going to either have to justify choosing Sasuke IF they can redeem him OR completely snuff out her lingering feelings for Sasuke and show Naruto she holds nothing for Sasuke anymore and loves him.

How Sakura can Romantically love Sasuke after all he's done so easily really shows her immaturity. She has shown to have some romantic feelings for Naruto so it's not impossible for her to develop romantic feelings if she isn't already for Naruto. Naruto is ATM far more powerful then Sasuke is and i would say he would defeat Sasuke with little struggle.

Last thing, if Sakura bases her romance on appearances then does Naruto really look unattractive??? IMO if i were a girl and lined them both up i would seriously choose Naruto for looks over Sasuke. Yes he's kinda dopey but if we base it on looks then he's quite attractive (physically)

Could anyone justify how SS could work???? honestly i think that they SHOULD get together just so she can learn how incompatable they are to each other and then realize who really is the person she loves/needs. Naruto is practiaccly her soulmate, they know each other inside out and are very similar in every way, complementing each others strengths/ weaknesses (Heaven and earth)

I sometimes think " You know what, you really don't deserve Naruto at all"

So... Rage vent 100% complete

Apologies if i upset anyone but this is how i feel. I might of missed some points as i'm improvising as i go.

@Hauntedcake there is an easy explaination for Sakura still loving Sasuke, its a manga, people are not going to be realistic otherwise Obito himself would not have been such a cliche villian going coo-coo crazy need to blow up the world type mentality after Rin died. Instead if he was real, he would have just let Madara rot in his pit. If he was realistic, he could have waited, even to see why kakashi killed Rin, in fact if the reason is something anti-climactic it would have just made Obito one big douche who jumped to conclusions.

Anyways yeah Sakura not loving Sasuke can become true later on. Why does she still love him though despite it being meaningless? For a few story reasons:
-Its part of the drama of the story and part of her character, because this is the earilest mentality we see her with, obviously its going to be her biggest mental change, dropping Sasuke.

-Its for her own development and maturity, Sakura cannot just switch over to Naruto, that would be bad even its what we want. Sakura needs to get over Sasuke and to love Naruto, she needs some gradual progress to realize her feelings for Naruto, some event could build on what we saw from chp 540, 615 could have possibliy done this too. For Sakura to fall for Naruto, she needs to realize her feelings but also come to terms and acceptance of it. Naruto would need to see her open, mature, and honest feelings. If Sakura puts her faith and feelings in Naruto and shows how honest and accepting of him she is, even supporting him over both Sasuke and herself, he could be accepting. Naruto can be accepting of Sakura and would go with it only if it is what she truely wanted, if he is the thing that brought her joy then he could go with that. Sakura needs to mature in a good pace, being open with Naruto, possibly even apolozging and confronting him about his feelings for her can be the trigger to make all their development come full circle.

-Sasuke is a mental obsitcle for Sakura, Sasuke was her ideal guy, good looking, talented, and smart. Yet he was a complete kitten and now is a full on revenge driven physcopath last Naruto and Sakura saw him. He mellowed out since Itachi but that remains, Sasuke is only impacted by Naruto and Itachi, he cared for Sakura as a comrade nothing more, but then attempted to kill her later for nothing she ever did. Naruto shares pain with Sakura and Sasuke but Sakura only shares it with naruto, not them both. Basically Sakura and Sasuke are only connected by being from team 7, other than that Sakura has not been impactful on Sasuke, Sasuke has on Sakura however due to her ideals and preceptions of him. She still sees him as when they were younger but part of Sakura's development is maturing and like Naruto accepting that things change but they can still do their best to try and bring about better resolutions. Naruto resolves to give team 7 a good ending, Sakura putting her faith in Naruto is part of her maturity. She can forgive Sasuke but as far as loving her, that defeats the purpose. Its a matter of her realizing who was there for her and who she herself stood by.

[StrikerTheNoble]

That was incredibly uncalled for. I thought bashing is against the rules here on H&E.

You know, Crimson is a really nice person. I've been PMing him since early this evening and I've really enjoyed the conversation. If everyone would take the time to get to know him instead of attacking him on the spot for posting his viewpoints, (which just so happen to be different from ours - big whoop), you might feel the same way. Instead of being defensive because he prefers Hinata & NaruHina over Sakura & NaruSaku, why don't you try being civil? Lord knows it wouldn't hurt you.

I'm not just talking to Striker on this, by the way.

Well I just made a choice. When I wake up I`m just lurking. It apears I`m to cranky to actually write anything in the morning. So yea Crimson you have my apologies, but I was serius about the corner. It`s really fun (im just not sure how fun for you due to you preferences) so you should check it out. Tnx slex for keeping me inline.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah if it were Tobi and Sasuke fighting him at once he would lose. But 1v1 against Sasuke he would beat Sasuke. Naruto has his one shot Rasen shruiken, unlimited shadow clones bijuu bombs and kuruma. He also potentially has upgrades yet to come ( sage of the six paths??) second half of kurumas chakra???

Susano'o is very powerful but would be destroyed by a bijuu bomb.

Yeah but he stated he could not win against Sasuke even with him on that condition.

[Canadian_DJ]

Dang...im still on page 787.............daaaang!!!

[HauntedCake]

Yeah but he stated he could not win against Sasuke even with him on that condition.

When does he say this??

@ Inferno: there isn't really a logical reason at all for her to hold any feelings for Sasuke anymore

Edit - Oh, adding to me LAP, Sakur'as attraction towards Naruto and Sasuke kind of applies to the Heaven and Earth thing. Heaven - Naruto (emotionally), Earth - Sasuke (Physically)

Edited by HauntedCake, 09 April 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

When does he say this??

@ Inferno: there isn't really a logical reason at all for her to hold any feelings for Sasuke anymore

Edit - Oh, adding to me LAP, Sakur'as attraction towards Naruto and Sasuke kind of applies to the Heaven and Earth thing. Heaven - Naruto (emotionally), Earth - Sasuke (Physically)

On the same panel where sakura is concerned when Kiba says that Naruto could beat up Sasuke and he replies that he could not beat him with my current level.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Wuhuu! Hi, people-s. Been a while.

I thought bashing is against the rules here on H&E.

So it says on the rules but anyone can see that that rule is never enforced. Right now in the movie thread there are many users outright mocking and laughing at SS and NH fans. And that is just one example. Bashing of the characters (Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura) is something that happens all the time as well, in fact right on this page there is a user who is saying that Sakura should be killed for not loving Naruto. Totally, dude, totally. Now bashing fictional characters is usually pretty silly but hey, at least they are not real people with real feelings. Bashing Kishi is damn dumb but it is not like Kishi is reading this forum and sobbing into his morning cereals because of all Teh Mean. Bashing other fans, now that is something that should stop. My own honest impression of this forum is that it seems to be on some endless bashing trip, only the target changes. This bashing has basically been allowed to go on for too long and now it is pretty much impossible to control it anymore. The result: this.

I have made it perfectly clear how I feel about the most of the users here. Everybody knows that I don't like most of you (you all must be so upset at that) and I think that some of you are extremely arrogant and incapable of having a good debate. I think you, Slextrem, and users like AzureWaters, are starting to feel like that as well, though I don't want to put words into your mouths. I had very little desire to debate the Naruto pairings in the first place, which is why I have lurked so long, and after actually trying it, well, I would rather hit my head against the wall than try again. My head hurts less that way. I don't really agree with you and AzureWaters on your pairing opinions but seeing your attempts to tackle the endless bashing etc are appreciated by me. I'm so proud of you. (No, seriously. Thanks for at least trying.)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Wuhuu! Hi, people-s. Been a while.


So it says on the rules but anyone can see that that rule is never enforced. Right now in the movie thread there are many users outright mocking and laughing at SS and NH fans. And that is just one example. Bashing of the characters (Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura) is something that happens all the time as well, in fact right on this page there is a user who is saying that Sakura should be killed for not loving Naruto. Totally, dude, totally. Now bashing fictional characters is usually pretty silly but hey, at least they are not real people with real feelings. Bashing Kishi is damn dumb but it is not like Kishi is reading this forum and sobbing into his morning cereals because of all Teh Mean. Bashing other fans, now that is something that should stop. My own honest impression of this forum is that it seems to be on some endless bashing trip, only the target changes. This bashing has basically been allowed to go on for too long and now it is pretty much impossible to control it anymore. The result: this.

I have made it perfectly clear how I feel about the most of the users here. Everybody knows that I don't like most of you (you all must be so upset at that) and I think that some of you are extremely arrogant and incapable of having a good debate. I think you, Slextrem, and users like AzureWaters, are starting to feel like that as well, though I don't want to put words into your mouths. I had very little desire to debate the Naruto pairings in the first place, which is why I have lurked so long, and after actually trying it, well, I would rather hit my head against the wall than try again. My head hurts less that way. I don't really agree with you and AzureWaters on your pairing opinions but seeing your attempts to tackle the endless bashing etc are appreciated by me. I'm so proud of you. (No, seriously. Thanks for at least trying.)

Sorry but you got banned because of bashing and also having a different opinion is not equal to bashing, no one here is obligated to accept your opinions and thoughts if you dont agree with our views about Hinata, NH and also SS you can just agree to disagree and leave.

[Inferno180]

When does he say this??

@ Inferno: there isn't really a logical reason at all for her to hold any feelings for Sasuke anymore

Edit - Oh, adding to me LAP, Sakur'as attraction towards Naruto and Sasuke kind of applies to the Heaven and Earth thing. Heaven - Naruto (emotionally), Earth - Sasuke (Physically)

@HauntedCake

What I mean is, its for story and pacing reasons Sakura still loves Sasuke, yeah its a negative trait, but its something she needs to struggle with before she can end up loving Naruto, basically its like she would need a couple scenes in some chapters showing her turning away, some events come by, and then she admits to herself she turned to Naruto. Yeah its bad she still loves him and it holds no merit but she has it to show a mental struggle within herself. Its basically part of her development for now to begin the process of turning away from Sasuke towards Naruto, this is her oldest mentality trait so its going to be slower to change, if its her biggest thing to overcome and mature, for story reasons it is still there to allow a good pacing and flow of events to let her go from loving Sasuke to letting go of Sasuke to accepting her feelings for Naruto to admitting it to him.

Its not just going to be a snap instant 180 of feelings, thats not how things work in just about any story. I mean just look at Sasuke he was renvenge this and that but he did start a change in progress after Itachi told him about the night of the massacure and what he faced between the village and his own family and clansmen. Sasuke was given a feeling of doubt and uneasiness despite everything Itachi did, this is why they went to ressurect the 4 hokages. Sasuke will give his answer very soon and that will set him on a new path or make him stay on his darkness, the point of the trip was for Sasuke to seek purpose in himself, to see if he should get revenge or seek out his own path (or at least the true reason Orochimaru tried to destroy the leaf which was not revenge as we all thought).
Sakura is in a similar situation, she needs to struggle and move at a decent pace for leaving Sasuke and going to Naruto.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Sorry but you got banned because of bashing and also having a different opinion is not equal to bashing, no one here is obligated to accept your opinions and thoughts if you dont agree with our views about Hinata, NH and also SS you can just agree to disagree and leave.

I'm kind of proud about that ban.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm kind of proud about that ban.

I have nothing against NH, SS.
What bothers me is that mostly of claims have double standard logic, and mostly come with "NH has more development than NS" but does not post evidences about this.
It's ends up for pairing preference, my personal opinion is that i really dont like pairing debates because it's just a matter of personal preference, arguments are usually the second reason for shipping, take per example me, i really love NaruIno.

Example NaruHina has little development between the relationship of Naruto and Hinata, which was first Naruto stoping to view Hinata as a dark and weirdo and then he acknowledges her, when Narusaku has a way more development, Sakura started hating Naruto, then later cared for him as a teammate, then before her confession to Sasuke, Naruto wanst important to her because he wanted ot leave him and also others behind, despite Naruto saved her lots of times,then they made a poal and he becoems someome important to her.
Part 2 she deeply cares about Naruto to a point that it sprout a feeling that can be called love, later o Pain's arc she acknowledges him as an awesome ninja, later acknowledges all Naruto's efforts to her, the last she wants Naruto to share his burdens and responsabilities with her.
There's no discussion that Ns has more development than NH but people keep forcing the otherwise, like mostly a refusal this is where debates ends.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 02:20 PM.

[Don-kun]

While is truth that the MOD try to enforce a respectful environment there is nothing friendly in a debate when it takes more that 5 replies back on forward much lest with on entire forum that have different ideas.

That crap about people bulling a member is just crap because he never specifically said that he only wanted to debate against one or five users.

The user:
Rather, I'm bothered by the fact that so many NS fans were automatically declaring their pairing canon after the movie, only to have an emotional breakdown over the cover of Vol.64.
Quite fickle, aren't we?
And yes, because 811 pages of people lamenting over the fact that Sakura hasn't been given any screen time for months qualifies as debating skills.
Takes a jab at Sakura when ever he has a chance, take a jab at the fandom when he has a chance but only NS fans are freaking wrong.

Honestly there is something called be respectful to others, but this should never apply to the Animated character, pairings or different opinions, if people can come here and take a jab at NS fandom take a jab at Sakura, just because you have more tolerance does not make anyone else inferior to you.

No one here is insulting the user or using profane language towards him, so I honestly believe that this attacking other NS fans because they don't have the same composure others have is the same as those attacking another pairing opinion.

If we don't agree with the behavior of some member just PM and let them know about in a friendly manner, lets try and stop acting like we are better than the rest because when we behave like that is also insulting to the community.


So no I don't agree with a person constantly bringing down a fandom to look better in front of the visitors eyes, if we don't agree with something use the PM system is that simple and a lot better, instead of making the fandom look like it's filled with a bunch of retards that needs to be lecture on how to behave the right way. I have never seeing any member from any fandom act this way, what makes us better than the rest? After all we are just fans and this is the internet.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 April 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I have nothing against NH, SS.
What bothers me is that mostly of claims have double standard logic, and mostly come with "NH has more development than NS" but does not post evidences about this.
It's ends up for pairing preference, my personal opinion is that i really dont like pairing debates because it's just a matter of personal preference, arguments are usually the second reason for shipping, take per example me, i really love NaruIno.

It is not all matter of pairing preference. I mean, NS clearly has more chances of becoming canon than NejiTsunade. But yes, a lot of it comes down to preference and our own interpretions about the manga. Debate can be fun as long as people on every side of the debate don't take it too seriously and at least try a little to understand why the opposition believes what they believe. I admit, I can't do this all that well myself which is just one more reason why I don't want to debate anymore.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

While is truth that the MOD try to enforce a respectful environment there is nothing friendly in a debate when it takes more that 5 replies back on forward much lest with on entire forum that have different ideas.

That crap about people bulling a member is just crap because he never specifically said that he only wanted to debate against one or five users.

The user:
Rather, I'm bothered by the fact that so many NS fans were automatically declaring their pairing canon after the movie, only to have an emotional breakdown over the cover of Vol.64.
Quite fickle, aren't we?
And yes, because 811 pages of people lamenting over the fact that Sakura hasn't been given any screen time for months qualifies as debating skills.
Takes a jab at Sakura when ever he has a chance, take a jab at the fandom when he has a chance but only NS fans are freaking wrong.

Honestly there is something called be respectful to others, but this should never apply to the Animated character, pairings or different opinions, if people can come here and take a jab at NS fandom take a jab at Sakura, just because you have more tolerance does not make anyone else inferior to you.

No one here is insulting the user or using profane language towards him, so I honestly believe that this attacking other NS fans because they don't have the same composure others have is the same as those attacking another pairing opinion.

If we don't agree with the behavior of some member just PM and let them know about in a friendly manner, lets try and stop acting like we are better than the rest because when we behave like that is also insulting to the community.


So no I don't agree with a person constantly bringing down a fandom to look better in front of the visitors eyes, if we don't agree with something use the PM system is that simple and a lot better, instead of making the fandom look like it's filled with a bunch of retards that needs to be lecture on how to behave the right way. I have never seeing any member from any fandom act this way, what makes us better than the rest? After all we are just fans and this is the internet.

Agree with you.
There are people generalizing.

Also the thing that i noticed on their comments is the innability of both sides to accept other opinion, example of crimson he said "i felt bothered because NS fans start claiming that NS was canon when the movie was released"
Then he came here and started with the whoel stuff.

Why cant accept that people like NS and leave them as be?
If they think NS is canon why dont just move on with our life, we live on a democracy no one have to accept other opinion.

THe same happened on the cover 64 many people felt bothered because NH fandom claimed that nH was canon and then we had kittens.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

That crap about people bulling a member is just crap because he never specifically said that he only wanted to debate against one or five users.

It is not crap. You may not intend to bully or be cruel but that is how it can come across when you have those five users all ganging up. You should probably take a moment to reflect on the fact that it is not just us SS fans or those NH fans saying that this forum's atmosphere is pretty horrible. It is your fellow NS shippers like Slextrem as well. It must be pretty brutal if people who are on your side start to call you on your behaviour. I'm using "you" as in general you, by the way, I don't mean just you specifically, Don-Kun.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It is not crap. You may not intend to bully or be cruel but that is how it can come across when you have those five users all ganging up. You should probably take a moment to reflect on the fact that it is not just us SS fans or those NH fans saying that this forum's atmosphere is pretty horrible. It is your fellow NS shippers like Slextrem as well. It must be pretty brutal if people who are on your side start to call you on your behaviour. I'm using "you" as in general you, by the way, I don't mean just you specifically, Don-Kun.

I think this is the problem, why dont accept that we like NS and have our arguments?
No one here is forcing you to ship NaruSaku you accepted to come here and debate basically trying to prove that SS or NH is better than NS and NS fans doing the same.
I think NH and SS are welcome here but really should avoid debating NH/SS vs NS because none of them sides will accept other opinions it's not the bas atmosphere it's that none of the sides will concede or even accept arguments and claims for other sides.
We know you like SS but what's the point of debating over it, what are you trying to prove?

THere's no innocent people over here, both sides are wrong, NH/SS fans that feel bothered because we ship NS and NS fans who feel bothered by NH/SS people coming here trying to argue that their pairing is better generating kittens.
Pairing are a matter of personal preference and nothing else, if i like chocolate and you like strawberry why i would force you to accept that chocolate is better?

Just to finish most of the kittenstoms start because of this point.
64 cover stated because some NS fans felt bothered because NH fans claimed their pairing were canon.
And the nH fans coming because they feel bothered because we dont think Hinata is perfect like they claim and also other reasons.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[redragon88]

It is not crap. You may not intend to bully or be cruel but that is how it can come across when you have those five users all ganging up. You should probably take a moment to reflect on the fact that it is not just us SS fans or those NH fans saying that this forum's atmosphere is pretty horrible. It is your fellow NS shippers like Slextrem as well. It must be pretty brutal if people who are on your side start to call you on your behaviour. I'm using "you" as in general you, by the way, I don't mean just you specifically, Don-Kun.

Hey Poison-chan, long time.

Question: What's your opinion of SasuKarin? Would you like it as an alternative if SasuSaku didn't happen?

[rocci]

It is not crap. You may not intend to bully or be cruel but that is how it can come across when you have those five users all ganging up. You should probably take a moment to reflect on the fact that it is not just us SS fans or those NH fans saying that this forum's atmosphere is pretty horrible. It is your fellow NS shippers like Slextrem as well. It must be pretty brutal if people who are on your side start to call you on your behaviour. I'm using "you" as in general you, by the way, I don't mean just you specifically, Don-Kun.

what do you think about obirin?

@don-kun

100% Agree

Edited by rocci, 09 April 2013 - 02:39 PM.