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#1841 catsi563

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 06:24 PM

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don't know about the Rookie 9 not disliking Naruto because their parents did


Thats not what i said, in point of fact evidence suggests quite the opposite. They just disliekd him because he was loud and obnoxious and annoying. After the Kiba fight though i agree that they did seem to accept him as a shinobi.

I disagree though that their parents of the rookie 9 didnt accept him Id say that evidence suggests that they supported him even if silently due to his sacrafice. His pranks and obnoxiousness didnt help him any but they did give him the chance to earn his own way.

As to Sakuras parents there simply is no evidence of their attitudes towards Naruto on either extreme honestly. Yet for some reason both parents are villified by fandom for no good reason and Sakura herself is often mistakenly lumped into the category of hating Naruto because her parents did. But this simply isnt the case and Sakuras own words support this.
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Aug 24 2009, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats not what i said, in point of fact evidence suggests quite the opposite. They just disliekd him because he was loud and obnoxious and annoying. After the Kiba fight though i agree that they did seem to accept him as a shinobi.

I disagree though that their parents of the rookie 9 didnt accept him Id say that evidence suggests that they supported him even if silently due to his sacrafice. His pranks and obnoxiousness didnt help him any but they did give him the chance to earn his own way.

As to Sakuras parents there simply is no evidence of their attitudes towards Naruto on either extreme honestly. Yet for some reason both parents are villified by fandom for no good reason and Sakura herself is often mistakenly lumped into the category of hating Naruto because her parents did. But this simply isnt the case and Sakuras own words support this.


1. I know. I phrased it weirdly, but I knew what you were saying.

I was saying the opposite.

Honestly, there's no real evidence either way since we really don't get the parents' view until Naruto has started proving himself.

That's just the view I like since it shows them changing their opinion about him.

2. I know. It's just my guess work and I've been both right and wrong before.

I never read the fan fictions like you're talking about. Most I've read had her parents being supportive of Naruto or not knowing/caring.

Of course, I haven't too much fan fiction and most of it tends to be NaruSaku, but even when I read NaruHina (to get my fill until the day they got together*) I didn't read any anti-Sakura's parents. Most just focused on how "evil" Hinata's dad was. Is really that bad?

*Interesting realization. I don't read much fan fiction anymore after switching over to NaruSaku. Makes me think.....

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 01:57 AM

I've actually seen several really well writen stories that portray Sakura's parents in a very good light. For each one of those though, there are about 20 that make them out to be monsters.

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 02:47 AM

QUOTE (Freakazoid @ Aug 24 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've actually seen several really well writen stories that portray Sakura's parents in a very good light. For each one of those though, there are about 20 that make them out to be monsters.


For me, it depends. I've seen both done well. Two of my favorite NaruSaku fics portray her parents in a rather negative light, but Sakura herself either doesn't share or works past the prejudice.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 06:40 AM

hmm, no narusaku moments in this chapter...wheew what a boring chapter... dry.gif

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 08:46 AM

hahahaha, i gotta agree laugh.gif wheres the narusaku moments?! hehehehehe, i guess we were a LITTLE bit spoiled the last couple of chapters though

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 06:03 AM

Yes we were my friends but I advise you all wait for the holiday season since the Hawk vs. Kumo/ Madara talk with Naruto/Kage summit will be a while and when that's all over Naruto will still want to go after Sasuke and right then & there Sakura will appear and we got our special NS moment (what a way to end the year narusakuct7.gif ).

Now back onto the debate

Can anyone name a # of NS moments?
Then name a # of NH & SS moments?
Next add the #of NH & SS moments together...
Lastly subtract the total of NS moments & total of combine NH/SS moments...
What # do you have?
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 06:43 AM

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Now back onto the debate

Can anyone name a # of NS moments?
Then name a # of NH & SS moments?
Next add the #of NH & SS moments together...
Lastly subtract the total of NS moments & total of combine NH/SS moments...
What # do you have?


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Sorry, I think you lost me. What do you mean by #?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 08:13 AM

To put it in simple terms

I can count on one hand the number of NaruHina and SasuSaku moments combined and have fingers left over.

The number of NaruSaku moments would require both hands and at least one foot.
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Aug 28 2009, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To put it in simple terms

I can count on one hand the number of NaruHina and SasuSaku moments combined and have fingers left over.

The number of NaruSaku moments would require both hands and at least one foot.



Lol, high five for that one, catsi wave.gif

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (FrutyLishis @ Aug 28 2009, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, high five for that one, catsi wave.gif


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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:37 AM

I was hoping if anyone have a NF account to post this up there, would it be nice to see NH & SS reaction to this although they would in so much denial.

QUOTE (Hopestar @ Aug 28 2009, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes we were my friends but I advise you all wait for the holiday season since the Hawk vs. Kumo/ Madara talk with Naruto/Kage summit will be a while and when that's all over Naruto will still want to go after Sasuke and right then & there Sakura will appear and we got our special NS moment (what a way to end the year narusakuct7.gif ).

Now back onto the debate

Can anyone name a # of NS moments?
Then name a # of NH & SS moments?
Next add the #of NH & SS moments together...
Lastly subtract the total of NS moments & total of combine NH/SS moments...
What # do you have?


Anyway have any of you surf through NF lately? I'm tellin' ya its burial back NH & SS are at a back concern due to recent events and they are sadly running out of things to say (especially SS)!
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 07:19 AM

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To put it in simple terms

I can count on one hand the number of NaruHina and SasuSaku moments combined and have fingers left over.

The number of NaruSaku moments would require both hands and at least one foot.


Simple, concise and starkly clear. Well done, Catsi563.

Amazing how people still insists on the Goku/ChiChi argument. I don't understand how it helps NaruHina. If you justify NH telling that one pairing doesn't need interaction or development to become canon, and the author can get two random characters together, then you're treating NH like a crack pairing. According that logic, NH is just so likely as NaruIno, NaruTema or NaruTsu.

Indeed, the male lead doesn't always hook up with the female lead. But usually he does and she does. And usually you can guess who will get together with who ACCORDING THE PLOT PROGRESSION.

I never thought Goku would get together with Bulma. He wasn't in love with anyone, so you could hook him up with anyone without disrupting the plot (and Toriyama usually sucked making romance. Why nobody should use him like a role model in order to write romantic scenes?).

Naruto is an entirely different matter. Naruto has shown romantic feelings towards one character since the beginning. Therefore, he isn't like Goku. And pairing him up with other girl all of sudden would be disruptive to the plot.

You can't compare both instances because they differ completely. If Kishimoto wanted Naruto fell in love with Hinata after loving Sakura during 461 chapters and not showing the slightest interest in Hinata, he would have to explain it. And ellaborating it. In spite of he has never done so in 461 chapters. And despite of we are in the middle of a saga features heavily Team 7 and their feelings, and the end of the story is nigh.

I always thought Naruto and Sakura would get together. I foresaw Naruto's feelings would endure whereas Sakura's crush on Sasuke would wane and her feelings towards Naruto would steadily increase. And that's exactly what happened.

On the other hand, NH fans have foretold many developments throughout the years. No one of their predictions have come to pass. Naruto didn't fall out of love with Sakura. Hinata didn't become a main character. Naruto didn't fall in love with Hinata when he saw her after the timeskip. Hinata didn't reassure Naruto how he had never been reassured when she found out about his jinchuuriki status (she hasn't even shown she cares, and we never saw the moment of the revelation). Their relationship didn't progress at all when they were alone during one mission (they hardly spoke at each other). Naruto didn't fall in love with her when she confessed.

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Anyway have any of you surf through NF lately? I'm tellin' ya its burial back NH & SS are at a back concern due to recent events and they are sadly running out of things to say (especially SS)!


I never step in NF because I have a terrible opinion of that... lair. But if what you tell it's true, it must be blissfully silent now. Nice.

Nonetheless, I have to admit I'm slightly concerned after reading Kishimoto has the overall plot fully planned, but sometimes he changes things depending on the flows of the story or why he hasn't got enough time for including them.

Though, the Naruto/Sakura's relationship has been a plot has been steadily developing since the beginnning. We're nearing to the end, so I don't think he'll change it now.

Personally I think Hinata's growing of spine and confession may be one instance of things he changed abruptly (it would explain because it was so sudden). But Kishimoto hasn't shown the consequences of that scene, he hasn't used it for developing a possible relationship between Naruto and Hinata or for showing a change in Naruto's heart, he has actually restated Naruto is in love with Sakura and he is developing Sakura's feelings further. So that... If he planned getting Naruto and Sakura together, I don't think he has changed such a plan at all after chapter 437.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:52 PM

I trust Kishi that he'll make narusaku becoming true. I trust him because he has said it indirectly in many last chapters.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:53 PM

The plot closing up, if true, actually excites me more. Kishimoto has spent the majority of his ink and panel time to NS out of the big 3. As an author it wouldn't add up to do such a thing if you had no intention of following through with it, the recent chapters even after Hinata's conffesion still favor NS development.

It's not that hard to see where Kishimoto wants to take this.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Aug 28 2009, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To put it in simple terms

I can count on one hand the number of NaruHina and SasuSaku moments combined and have fingers left over.

The number of NaruSaku moments would require both hands and at least one foot.


I'm ashamed to say this, but I actually went over to the NH fanclub and looked over what they consider NH moments (I almost didn't make it out alive arg.gif ) basically 9/10ths of the moments are:

NH Fans: ZOMG!! HINATA IZ IN TEH PICTURE!!!!!!!! NARUHINA FTW!!! CANNON!!!!
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Their very first moment is Hinata apologizing for something Kiba said, then the next panel is Choji thinking how tasty Akamaru looks

To put it simply, if you're only counting the moments when Naruto actually says something to Hinata, then you're absolutely right.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 09:25 PM

Anyone willing to # the amount of true NH moments?
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:04 AM

3 that ic an think of directly off the top fo my head because they involve more then a one word interchange between them and have some actual relationship implications,

The written test of the chunin exams

The hour before the fight with Neji

The Confession

thats all, the confession is more a Hinata moment but ill count it for completeness sake
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 01:48 AM

If a naruhina moment were to be any moment where hinata and naruto were in the same picture, then there would be plenty of them. Except you'd have to look a bit harder, kind of like a Where's Waldo scheme.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 11:08 AM

guh...I...a bit don't like talking about NH now. It reminds me about my very bad dream... arg.gif

sorry th_tongue.gif , does someone have any other interesting topic about narusaku?
I guess not, coz there's no new interesting story of narusaku in the last chapter...




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