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#21 Jenskott

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

After reading your post I have gone to check my Naruto volumes and I have seen not one scene where Naruto is going to open the scroll, Sakura approves of it, Sasuke tells not and she berates Naruto to impress Sasuke. That is not even close to what happened when Naruto was going to open the scroll (and Sakura not even called him names or said anything bad).

Again I request your link to that chapter and page, because I am beginning to believe you are misremembering.

Of course, it's possible I have it missed. So I ask you point out the specific chapter, at least.

By the way, when I mentioned my favorite tsunderes I forgot about Kyoko from Maison Ikkoku and, of course, Sakura.

Edit: Huh? I would swear I had seen a post of yours where you explained that scene where Sakura was insulting Naruto to impress Sasuke was when Naruto was going to open the scroll... but after writing my post the former post has just disappeared. Weird. Anyway, this post now does not make much sense.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE (Jenskott @ Nov 16 2012, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On topic. My favorite tsunderes surely are Sayaka from Mazinger-Z, Jun from Great Mazinger, Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road, Kaori from City Hunter, Lina Inverse from Slayers, Akane from Ranma 1/2 and Asuka from Evangelion.

The tsundere is an interesting story-telling device. I swear I can't remember it from too many American cartoons. Or comics. But my knowledge is pretty shallow there. To compare, it seems that most of the American cartoons are formulaic one-shot deals, whereas Asian animes follow more of a storyline. Like the difference between Scooby Doo and Robotech. There are probably more contemporary shows that have don't fit that though (maybe like the recent Thundercats? Just a guess. I didn't watch it.) And AtLA, although I almost don't even count that as an American show because it's so heavily steeped in Asian themes.

Anyway, I think the tsundere is something that works really well in the long drawn-out story, rather than in the encapsulated one-shot situation. Simply because the tsundere then has the chance for her real personality to shine through, rather than looking endlessly bitchy.

So with your amazing knowledge of a lot of these shows (seriously, reading your posts is like reading a wikipedia article! I feel like I've learned something!) what do you think? Am I way off base in thinking that more American cartoons are done as one-shots while more Asian anime are done as longer stories, allowing for more character complexities?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

tsundere
kuudere
yandere
himedere
kamidere
yangire
dandere

i'm so lost



I do not know why they follow those patterns but about sakura she had "two" loves she acts nice towards sasuke and acted mean towards naruto, i do think she is two deres at the same time depending of the person.

Sakura is more complex she's just dere towards sasuke, and is tsundere towards naruto.
sakura is not a classic tsundere neither a modern one.

Common traits of a tsundere:

Staple qualities:
Have a short fuse for the person of their affection, - Naruto
Is a very demanding person, especially towards the person of their affection, - Naruto
Have physically assaulted / appeared violent towards the person of their affection, - Naruto
A very shy person by nature. Says 'NO' while actually asking for it, - half true
Embarrassed of / Confused of / Tries to reject their true feelings once they realized it, - I dont know about this part.
Breaks down (in tears) at least once in the story, - I think she breaks down in tears a lot of times for naruto.
Thinks highly of them self and appears confident to hide their fragility, - I'm unsure of this.
Will almost always have at least a love interest in the story, if not a love partner, be it hetero or h*** partner. - She had two but she's only tsundere towards naruto

Fan service qualities:
Cannot cook - sakura cannot cook.
Chibi (short)
Feels lonely
Flat chested - sakura is flat chested.
Martial artist
Pigtails
Wears a head accessory - her chuunin badge.

srsly that those guys does not change for a bit.

Edited by dovahkiin, 16 November 2012 - 03:49 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

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So with your amazing knowledge of a lot of these shows (seriously, reading your posts is like reading a wikipedia article! I feel like I've learned something!) what do you think? Am I way off base in thinking that more American cartoons are done as one-shots while more Asian anime are done as longer stories, allowing for more character complexities?


Thank you for your kind words, but I am not so learned.

I am in my thirties and I have been watching anime since I was a little child. So I have watched many shows. Besides, several years ago I started getting more and more interested in classic shows -mainly from the seventies and eighties- because I was getting less and less interested in current shows.

Regarding your question... I think it depends on the show, but you may be onto something. If you watch older shows, even series are a long sucession of self-contained monster-of-the-week episodes, Japanese shows usually had an overarching plot and/or ongoing subplots, and the plot threads had a beginning an ending. American cartoons made in the same age usually did not feel like if they were going to somewhere. Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Dungeons and Dragons (I have rewatched that recently. Good stuff)... felt like if the cartoon-makers were not particularly concerned about moving the plot forward quickly.

I remember heard a Speed Racer fan talking about why that series impressed him so strongly when he was a child. He mentioned the episode where the masked racer was solved and he told he was not used to cartoon plots reaching some kind of resolution.

Of course, it also depends on the series. You can watch Ranma and Maison Ikkoku. Both were made by the same person, but the former's plot barely moves after a while, and the latter's plot and characters are constantly getting advancement and development.

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tsundere
kuudere
yandere
himedere
kamidere
yangire
dandere

i'm so lost


No reason to be. They are only fan terms to try define and classify fictional characters. Since characters -even unexistent ones- are not things to be easily labeled with, people comes up with many terms to try fit every character in.

It is better don't concern yourself with it. It is not worth of the confusion.

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srsly that those guys does not change for a bit.


Actually, they do. For every supposed tsundere trait you can come up with, there is a ton of characters avert it or subvert it. Sayaka from Mazinger-Z and Jun from Great Mazinger are pretty different characters, even if both are tsunderes and share some traits. Kaoru from Rurouni Kenshin and Sakura are also pretty different, despite both are tsunderes.

For example, that bit about being flat-chested... Sakura is NOT flat-chested. She has a average-sized bust (Karin IS flat-chested). And... Allow me introduce you to Jun hono. Do you think she is flat-chested? She is stacked.

More accurate would be telling some of them get angsty about not getting a larger chest. That would be the case of Akane from Ranma or Lina from Slayers. But Kaoru from Rurouni Kenshin neither had a large chest nor cared about it.

Or that bit about being an awful cook.. That is a fandom misconception, not a classic tsundere trait. Other than Akane Tendo I don't remember many tsunderes who were awful cooks. Sakura, you tell? That is anime filler, not canon. Nowhere kishimoto told or implied Sakura was a bad cook.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 16 2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm so lost

Welcome to the wonderful world of anime. laugh.gif

When it comes to her personal relationship with Naruto I think Sakura's a tsundere through and through, but with the story as a whole her development differentiates from typical tsunderes because she has another love interest with Sasuke. Typically tsunderes only develop feelings for the hero, this is where Sakura is different.

Still, I don't think that Sasuke brings out Sakura's dere side, it's just that she's a very emotional girl and she'll act on those emotions when it comes to Sasuke because she likes him. If a tsundere likes a guy and she always acts different (infatuated) towards him that's not her being dere, that's just her liking a guy as any other girl. If Sakura was dere for liking Sasuke then all existing girls would be considered acting dere for liking a guy, even if they're not tsundere.

The actual dere side of a tsundere only comes out when she shows genuine care and gentleness towards a person they previously disliked, thought lowly of, found annoying, or simply did not care about. Therefore, Naruto is the only guy which can bring out the true dere side of Sakura's tsundere personality.

We all have noticed the differences of when Sakura cares for Naruto and Sasuke. With Sasuke she was always either infatuated with him or saddened for his growing darkness. But with Naruto we are all aware of those gentle glances that she tends to give him from time to time, something that Sasuke seems to have never achieved from Sakura despite her liking him so much.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Jenskott @ Nov 16 2012, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for your kind words, but I am not so learned.

I am in my thirties and I have been watching anime since I was a little child. So I have watched many shows. Besides, several years ago I started getting more and more interested in classic shows -mainly from the seventies and eighties- because I was getting less and less interested in current shows.

Regarding your question... I think it depends on the show, but you may be onto something. If you watch older shows, even series are a long sucession of self-contained monster-of-the-week episodes, Japanese shows usually had an overarching plot and/or ongoing subplots, and the plot threads had a beginning an ending. American cartoons made in the same age usually did not feel like if they were going to somewhere. Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Dungeons and Dragons (I have rewatched that recently. Good stuff)... felt like if the cartoon-makers were not particularly concerned about moving the plot forward quickly.

I remember heard a Speed Racer fan talking about why that series impressed him so strongly when he was a child. He mentioned the episode where the masked racer was solved and he told he was not used to cartoon plots reaching some kind of resolution.

Of course, it also depends on the series. You can watch Ranma and Maison Ikkoku. Both were made by the same person, but the former's plot barely moves after a while, and the latter's plot and characters are constantly getting advancement and development.



No reason to be. They are only fan terms to try define and classify fictional characters. Since characters -even unexistent ones- are not things to be easily labeled with, people comes up with many terms to try fit every character in.

It is better don't concern yourself with it. It is not worth of the confusion.



Actually, they do. For every supposed tsundere trait you can come up with, there is a ton of characters avert it or subvert it. Sayaka from Mazinger-Z and Jun from Great Mazinger are pretty different characters, even if both are tsunderes and share some traits. Kaoru from Rurouni Kenshin and Sakura are also pretty different, despite both are tsunderes.

For example, that bit about being flat-chested... Sakura is NOT flat-chested. She has a average-sized bust (Karin IS flat-chested). And... Allow me introduce you to Jun hono. Do you think she is flat-chested? She is stacked.

More accurate would be telling some of them get angsty about not getting a larger chest. That would be the case of Akane from Ranma or Lina from Slayers. But Kaoru from Rurouni Kenshin neither had a large chest nor cared about it.

Or that bit about being an awful cook.. That is a fandom misconception, not a classic tsundere trait. Other than Akane Tendo I don't remember many tsunderes who were awful cooks. Sakura, you tell? That is anime filler, not canon. Nowhere kishimoto told or implied Sakura was a bad cook.

but sakura is flat chested i think even naruto says it i dont know if it was on the anime or the manga version, he says "who cares if sakura is flat chested this is the way i like that" something along those lines.
and even on the movie hinata calls her flat chested.

Edited by dovahkiin, 16 November 2012 - 06:19 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

im lost why are we talking about sakura's bust size??

shes not flat-chested, shes normal.

infact its kinda rare to see a skinny girl with a big bust......almost impossible actually.

sakura is very skinny, thus the small size.

boobs are fat. so if you are fat you will get fat boobs XD (anime doesnt seem to apply though)


I WENT WAY OFF SUBJECT XD...........


anyway :3 @ dovahkiin

naruto never said he that in canon (it was filler) but im sure he's fine with it, cause if he wasnt he would go for girls like ino or hinata.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

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but sakura is flat chested i think even naruto says it i dont know if it was on the anime or the manga version, he says "who cares if sakura is flat chested this is the way i like that" something along those lines.
and even on the movie hinata calls her flat chested.


No, she is not. Don't let fanon blinding you. Peruse the manga. She HAS breasts. They are just average-sized (D-cup or E-cup is not an average breast size, let me assure you).

I think I remember Naruto telling something along those lines... in an omake in one of the early Shippuden episodes. Hence, it is purely comedic, it is filler and it does not count at all. Naruto has never said that about Sakura either in the original story -the manga- or in the adaptation -the anime-. Omakes not even count like anime canon. They are only jokes.

The movie? Again, not the original story. Besides, Road to Movie Hinata was portrayed like being jealousy, rude and mean. She did not tell that because Sakura was flat-chested but because she was trying hurting Sakura.

Ranma has often called Akane flat-chested. However Akane has a nice bust. And Ranma thinks she is cute. He does not calls her flat-chested because she is flat-chested, but because he often teases her, and he knows she is very unsecure and self-conscious.

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im lost why are we talking about sakura's bust size??


Good question.

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shes not flat-chested, shes normal.

infact its kinda rare to see a skinny girl with a big bust......almost impossible actually.

sakura is very skinny, thus the small size.

boobs are fat. so if you are fat you will get fat boobs XD (anime doesnt seem to apply though)


I WENT WAY OFF SUBJECT XD...........


anyway :3 @ dovahkiin

naruto never said he that in canon (it was filler) but im sure he's fine with it, cause if he wasnt he would go for girls like ino or hinata.


Agreed on all accounts.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

I dont know why u guys take the sakura flat chested as an insult i personally dont think like this even naruto's mom does not have large boobs.
http://i3.mangareade...uto-1568900.jpg
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naruto's mom

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Sakura is flat chested and i dont care if u think it's an insult or degrade her character i dont care because it's not; for some people it's a trait for others it's something bad.
taste is not something that i care, i do not see it as bad naruto is in love with sakura which means that he loves her the way she is, so it's over and lets go back to talk about tsunderes.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 16 2012, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont know why u guys take the sakura flat chested as an insult i personally dont think like this even naruto's mom does not have large boobs.
http://i3.mangareade...uto-1568900.jpg
http://i33.mangaread...uto-1568957.jpg

naruto's mom

http://i10.mangaread...uto-1377334.jpg

Sakura is flat chested and i dont care if u think it's an insult or degrade her character i dont care because it's not; for some people it's a trait for others it's something bad.
taste is not something that i care, i do not see it as bad naruto is in love with sakura which means that he loves her the way she is, so it's over and lets go back to talk about tsunderes.


its fine to be flat chested....but we are just saying sakura ISNT XD she has normal sized boobs for her size.

look up Taiga from toradora, she is flat-chested XD

also kushina is totally not flat-chested either XD


im not trying to defend the characters or something ( cause i could care less if they WERE flat-chested)

but they really arent, if you have a curve your not flat.

compare sakura:

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to this girl
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now she is flat chested.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:16 AM

I thought this thread is about the tsundere character not about the size of Sakura's breasts sheesh give it a rest people. Let's stay on topic or this thread will get close.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Nov 17 2012, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought this thread is about the tsundere character not about the size of Sakura's breasts sheesh give it a rest people. Let's stay on topic or this thread will get close.


well i think we already got the point across for tsunderes.......unless someone wants to prove me wrong? mellow.gif

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 15 2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was annoying too, her annoyance in that scene is because she was doing the same thing with naruto and still she was hipocrit enough to call naruto annoying just to impress sasuke.


I was talink specifically about the chapter when naruto comes back and she hugs him and say thank you, that part when she hit him wasnt comic i found out of sense it was forced, the hug was fine but before it wasnt cool you can simply like someome who hit and you and later show some caring it's not nice and not even comic.
in the parts she shows caring she didnt hit him before of a hug or something similar.


Why she would be frightened katsui was there saying that naruto was fine all the time.
and she didnt seem frightened at all.
She was a little worried but different than hinata she trusted naruto and knew that he would come back fine.


Um, So am I to understand that you are making this thread to show how annoying you thinks tsunderes are or something? mellow.gif I'm not criticizing, but I thought this thread was just to discuss tsunderes and the general concept of them, yet you've only been talking about how Sakura's attitude annoys you at various instances. First off Sasuke was her first crush, so why wouldn't she want to impress him? Sure she treated Naruto like a pest, but not like dirt or someone she was better off without, She at least treated him like a person and not a stigma like everyone else. If you're annoyed by how she treated Naruto, then you've seen nothing compared to how he was treated by those unnamed residents. However Sasuke has NOTHING to do with Sakura being a tsundere cause she was just fan girling him, so that is irrelevant. Also correct me If I'm wrong But just because She knew Naruto was fine did not mean that she was still worried to death because he was ALMOST killed and then proceeded to go to the enemy without back up, the enemy that blew up their village so why wouldn't she be frightened, because Katsuyu said Naruto was exhausted as well so He still might die if they had another fight. Anyways those are my reasons, but the point is why are we discussing what traits Sakura has that annoys you? She is a tsundere, and that's how they act. This is just general info about the type of character, so if they annoy you than just say so. We don't mind if you don't like Sakura that is your preference and we accept it.


QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Nov 16 2012, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well i think we already got the point across for tsunderes.......unless someone wants to prove me wrong? mellow.gif


Yeah but still we shouldn't change the topic cause threads get closed like that. BUT you brought up an interesting point. smile.gif How many tsunderes have inferiority complexes about their breasts? tongue.gif

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 07:39 AM

We don't take flat-chested like an insult (albeit a lot of people uses it like one. A lot of Sakura bashers use it to insult Sakura the whole time. I am not saying you are a basher or you were intending to insult her. I am telling several of them do). We are telling Sakura is not flat-chested. That's all.

And I am not arguing this anymore.

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How many tsunderes have inferiority complexes about their breasts?


Hmm...

Kaori Makimura from City Hunter had a complex because many people thought at first sight she was a boy. Ryo teased her the whole time about it. However it happened because she was a tomboy often wore male clothes, not because she was not beautiful. Ryo made a point of telling she did not get him aroused, but in reality he restrained the whole time because she was his deceased best friend's little sister, hence he thought she was off-limits. If you showed him a picture and he did not know it was Kaori, he drooled.

Akane Tendo from Ranma 1/2 had a breast complex. Partially it was because she craved for being more womanly, and she felt herself wanting on all aspects. Partially it was because his gender-bending fiancé's female shape was stacked (and Ranma being a jerk mocked her continually about it), and all girls tried to take him away her were more boxom than her.

Lina Inverse from Slayers also had a complex. She was not really flat-chested, but her first partner was big-busted and flaunted it in a VERY obnoxious way, her second partner was fully tactless and often he teased her about it, one of her friends is fourteen-years old (Lina is sixteen) and HAS a bigger chest than her (although that is because Amelia's line's women are very well... gifted, but Lina does not know that), and she often fights thugs and miscreants are jerks prone to insult her and think anything tinier than F-cup is flat-chested.

I can not thinking of someone else right now.

Tsunderes often being flat-chested or having a breast complex is fandom nosense has little to do with reality, nothing else.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:21 AM

Well not really. I think that tsunderes are made with small chest sizes and have complexes about them so that that maybe they have both a berserk button that sets off their angry side and have something endearingly feminine them too. Not that I agree that it justifies such things just explaining the Japanese mentality about it and that we ARE dealing with a different culture here.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:39 AM

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Well not really. I think that tsunderes are made with small chest sizes and have complexes about them so that that maybe they have both a berserk button that sets off their angry side and have something endearingly feminine them too. Not that I agree that it justifies such things just explaining the Japanese mentality about it and that we ARE dealing with a different culture here.


Not really?

There are dozens of tsundere characters. Dozens. I can think only of three characters with chest complex. Three. And they not even are tiny-chested.

How that constitutes a trend of tsunderes being made with small chest sizes?

No, I'm sorry. Factually, most of tsundere characters have large or average-sized breasts. Let's see Naruto characters: Ino, Tsunade, Temari... all of them are tsunderes and they are not flat-chested at all. Sakura is considered being flat-chested for some people, but if you read the manga and observe how she is drawn, it is obvious she is not.

Yes, tsundere being always or nearly always made with small chest sizes is fanon. "Everyone" tells that because everyone "knows" it is right. Right like everyone "knows" shonen=action without romance and shojo=romance and no action (in spite of it is factually untrue). Right like everyone "knows" Sakura constantly hits Naruto (one dozen of comical hits hits in over six-hundred chapter... yes, constantly). People hears someone else making those claims and repeat them without bothering in fact-checking. And so it is like fanon spreads.

You know I am a big mecha show fan? Mainly of seventies and eighties shows. People makes a ton of assumptions about those shows, but when someone actually WATCHES one of them, that person nearly always tells "It is not your average robot show!". I have heard that sentence SO MANY times about such a large number of shows I wonder what the average super robot show is supposed to be.

I don't know if you have watched Ranma 1/2 or read Ranma fanfiction, but Ranma's fandom is full of misconceptions or assumptions. Such like Kuno calling Ranma a sorceror has bewitched his -Kuno's- loves into rejecting him. Kuno is delusional, but he has never called Ranma a sorceror in canon. However you find that in every fanfiction, and Ranma fans think that happens in canon. That is what fandom is.

What really sets a tsundere off? Reasons are sundry and they are more complex than a breast size. To check it, let's examine some examples (hopefully it'll serve to steer this discussion away lewd subjects, and talking again about tsunderes in general):

Sayaka Yumi from Mazinger-Z: She has a big chest and she is ashamed of her body not at all. What sets her angry side off? Well, she is missing her mother (because she is dead) and her father because he is married to his job (she has to nearly twist his arm to force him to go home to have dinner) and he is a cool and analytical scientist has a hard work expressing his feelings. She may come across like arrogant and attention-seeking because she spends the whole time trying to prove herself to earn her father's attention and approval. Also, she is in love with an idiot jerkass constantly mockes her even when she is being nice to him. In the original manga, though, Kouji was less of a jerkass, hence she was less hot-tempered.

Jun Hono from Great Mazinger: She NEVER get angsty about her breast size, let me assure you. Her mood shifts are due to things have nothing to do with breast size or Tetsuya: she is an orphan. Her mother was Japanese and her biological father was a American black man. Since she was a child people picked on her for being a girl, being half-foreigner and being half-black. Her adoptive father has a very hard time expressing her feelings and he treats her mainly like a soldier. She is determined to be a person can stand up for herself, and she is nicer than most characters of her show, but she is full with inner tensions, and Tetsuya is real good setting her off.

Oscar de Jarjayes from Rose of Versailles: It is harder to notice here because she dressed like a man, but she is obsessed over her chest not at all. She is the main character of a series set during French Revolution, so her breasts would be the lesser of her troubles (her biggest trouble is she often wishes living a normal life instead of behaving like a male soldier the whole time).

Lum from Urusei Yatsura: she is stacked, like you can see. In fact she was meant to be a fanservice character instead of the female lead, but she became amazingly popular, forcing Takahashi to change the intended official pairing. She gets angry when the main character acts like a pervert wih any woman but her.

Madoka Ayukawa from Kimagure Orange Road: Her chest is not small at all (and the main character never teases her about her body because he thinks she is the most beautiful girl he has known. And because he likes breathing). Her parents were musicians spent the whole time traveling, leaving her in care of her older sister. She barely had friends growing up. Most boys she knew wanted getting in her pants or were frightened of her because she had shown them she can defend herself and is not shy about beating harassers. Hence, she developed a pretty lonely, and sometimes cold personality (although her mood can change very radically. She can be aloof or distant or hot-tempered and angry). She tolerates not pervert or jerks (and unfortunately that describes the ninety-nine percent of males of her high school), and she reacts to them ignoring them coldly... or beating them up if they get her angry.

Kyoko Otonashi from Maison Ikkoku: She is a beautyiful adult woman and she is never mocked over her chest. Her tensions and mood changes come from: she being a widow; her mother wanting getting her remarried if she wants or not; her father treating her like a little girl; she being the manager of a boarding house populated by meddlesome, obnoxious jerks; and the main character -who she is in love with- being an utter pushover unable to stand upo for himself.

Naru Narusegawa from Love Hina: I have just read a bunch of Love Hina chapters, so I can not talk much about her, but if I remember correctly, Keitaro had a knack for falling into situations where he seemed a pervert or a creep... and she took it very badly.

Asuka Langley Soryu from Evangelion: She has a large chest, she knows it and she flaunts it (mainly to the main character and Ryoji Kaji). Her mood shifts and bad temper are due to a bunch of inner tensions, confidence and self-worth issues and childhood trauma nobody did anything about. Her parents screwed her around, leading her to believe caring for someone else only leads to pain, so she pushes everybody away. However she also yearns for someone looking past it and showing they care despite all. The series creator stated she likes the main character, but when she flirted with him, he dodged her advances (because he thought she could not possibly be interested in him), so she believed HE was not interested in her, and in turn it got her angrier, pushing him away further. She also thought being a mecha pilot was all she had, so she strove to be the best ever so people noticed her... but then she found a barely-trained spineless wimp had a better performance... and if she wanted to admit it or not, she was in love with that weakling, who was her biggest rival.

I wish using more examples of shojo manga, but I have read way less shojo series.

Tsundere characters can get quite complex when you analyze the reasons of her behavior.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

I LOVE Tsunderes....Tsunderes are strong characters, which had a strong will and usually does not give up easily - a trait I admire on top of everything else. My take on the tsunderes' violent side is that it's their defensive mode on anything that touches emotions - specially emotions which confuses them or make them feel soft or vulnerable. But to their loved ones they would indeed be the sweetest of all!

About the part where Sakura hit Naruto on the head when he returns to the village after pain attack, I seriously cannot understand how people can miss this romantic side of it, lol. Even the westerns have used this plot - take How to Train your Dragon - when Hiccup returns after the final fight, Astrid chucked him on the head, before kissing him. Usually, only a girlfriend would take of this liberty, I believe...

Ah, apart from Sakura, my other favorite tsundere character is Misaki from Maid-Sama. Anyone reading this romantic work? I 'm totally, helplessly in love with this manga whatthekitten.gif wub.gif




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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:04 AM

love.gif Akane Tendo love.gif . the first name gotten into my mind everytime i hear the word tsundere th_tongue.gif

edit: theres nothing between tsundere and small chest. just look at tsunade sama laugh.gif

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

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I LOVE Tsunderes....Tsunderes are strong characters, which had a strong will and usually does not give up easily - a trait I admire on top of everything else. My take on the tsunderes' violent side is that it's their defensive mode on anything that touches emotions - specially emotions which confuses them or make them feel soft or vulnerable. But to their loved ones they would indeed be the sweetest of all!


That's it, basically.

Ah, apart from Sakura, my other favorite tsundere character is Misaki from Maid-Sama. Anyone reading this romantic work? I 'm totally, helplessly in love with this manga

I can't say I have, I'm sorry. It's this character, right?

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Akane Tendo. the first name gotten into my mind everytime i hear the word tsundere


Glad of meeting another Ranma fan.

And yes, she was the first character made aware of the trope, even though I did not know what it was called how or how prevalent it is.

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edit: theres nothing between tsundere and small chest. just look at tsunade-sama


Exactly.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (Ryuken @ Nov 19 2012, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
love.gif Akane Tendo love.gif . the first name gotten into my mind everytime i hear the word tsundere th_tongue.gif

edit: theres nothing between tsundere and small chest. just look at tsunade sama laugh.gif


Tsunade had small chest when she was younger at naruto's age


PS: orochimaru still weird, look at his neck oh wow!

Edited by dovahkiin, 22 November 2012 - 10:59 PM.

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