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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:29 PM

 

They never ever had that kind of bond in the beginning.

Hinata was ENVIOUS of Hanabi.

They were NEVER hanging out together.

They were almost sisters enemies.

Hanabi was created ONLY to make Hinata look like the underdog of the Hyuga family that can't succeed.

I'm not against them having a functional relationship, it's just that this was the situation last time we saw it. I would like it more if Kishi sorted out that dilemma instead of doing just another 180.

 

And tomorrow then, will we know what happens in the movie? Or will we have to wait for after christmas? :s


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:32 PM

How the Grinch Stole Christmas ( from everyone but NH)
By Dr.Tsuki

Part four: 

He turned around fast, and he saw two small Fan’s!

Little Lys-Lou Fan and Tiny Tsuki Fan, who were not more than twenty three and Twenty Four.

The Grinch had been caught by these tiny Fan daughter’s,

Who'd gotten out of their bed’s for a cup of cold water.

They stared at the Grinch and said, "But…Grinchmoto, why,”

"Why are you taking away Canon? WHY?"

But, you know, that old Grinchmoto thought he was so smart and so slick,

He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!

"Why, my sweet little tots," the shill of a writer lied,

"This canon never existed!"

"It was all your imagination, so don’t be alarmed."

"Naruhina and Sasusaku were clearly the most developed”
“You can see now that you were reading it wrong."

And he thought that his fib fooled the two. Then he patted their head’s,

And he got them a drink, only to turn and find them and Naruto’s love gone!

He searched and he searched, but they were long gone, so he shrugged and he sauntered, safely sure he’d damaged the work beyond salvage.

But when he went to his sleigh, he was stunned to discover what else was amiss. Sakura was gone, and so was her development! Gone were the parallels that he’d stolen, gone were his subplots, gone was his respect and adoration! Everything was gone, GONE, GONE!

They’d taken it all and run away with it, the Fans had refused his will!


 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:32 PM


MY LIFE IS FINALLY COMPLETE!  

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How the Grinchmoto Stole Christmas ( From everyone by NH)
By Dr. Tsuki 

Part three:

All I need now is a movie to retcon everything Grinchmoto looked around.
And there he found Studio Periot standing around. 

Lets make Hinata the heroine instead! he said, and the Studio eagerly agreed.
So they called up their directors, their assistants and animators. They wrote a script and it was okay.
No! He screamed, throwing the papers away. This simply wont do, it has to be worse!
So they wrote it again and again until it was a mass of soggy,mushy shoujo clichés.
Then he released the final two chapters and let the world believe it was a lie.

The fans sat stunned in their homes as they stared at their magazines. This isnt right!"  
They all cried, but for the Naruhinas and the Sasusakus.
It must be a lie! Cried the Narusakus. In the movie all will be well! and they all quieted down for the night.

This is just step number one! The cruel Grinchmoto hissed,
and he crawled to the roof of the first little house whose windows were all dark and slid down the chimney, the bags in his hand fisted tight.
The he stuck his head out of the fire place where all the little subplots hed abandoned long ago hung neatly in a row.
These, He grinned. Are the first things to go!

Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most unpleasant,
Around the whole room, and he took every parallel!
Sakuras development! Narutos confession! Karins whole being! The cycle of hate! Popcorn! And logic!
 
And he stuffed them in bags. Then the Grinchmoto, very nimbly,
Stuffed all the bags, one by one, up that chimney!
Then he slunk to the icebox. He took the fan's Naruto Drink!
He took the Fans love! He took their ability to stomach his face!
He cleaned out that icebox as quick as a flash.
Why that Grinchmoto even took their very last hope!
Then he stuffed it all the up the chimney with glee.
"And NOW!" grinned Grinchmoto, "I will take away Narutos love!"
And the Grinchmoto grabbed the proof, and he started to shove,
When he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:32 PM

I wasn't really talking about the movie. I was talking about Kishi's future. The way a series of this scale ends is very important. Now I'm sure that because of the unsatisfying ending he won't get much of a reception for any other series he
might publish. Didn't he foresee something like this? Or was he really that blind towards his work and fans?

 

You're talking someone who actually had his main character claim that a mass murderer was a cool guy. Common sense is not this author's strong point.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:35 PM

WOW... just. Wow.

Releasing such an interview on the very same weekend as the release date for his movie.
That is a ballzy marketing decision and not on the bright side.

Like tillers said: he is desperate to save face but people aint buying his kitten.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:37 PM

How the Grinch Stole Christmas ( from everyone but NH)
By Dr.Tsuki

Part four: 

He turned around fast, and he saw two small Fan’s!

Little Lys-Lou Fan and Tiny Tsuki Fan, who were not more than twenty three and Twenty Four.

The Grinch had been caught by these tiny Fan daughter’s,

Who'd gotten out of their bed’s for a cup of cold water.

They stared at the Grinch and said, "But…Grinchmoto, why,”

"Why are you taking away Canon? WHY?"

But, you know, that old Grinchmoto thought he was so smart and so slick,

He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!

"Why, my sweet little tots," the shill of a writer lied,

"This canon never existed!"

"It was all your imagination, so don’t be alarmed."

"Naruhina and Sasusaku were clearly the most developed”
“You can see now that you were reading it wrong."

And he thought that his fib fooled the two. Then he patted their head’s,

And he got them a drink, only to turn and find them and Naruto’s love gone!

He searched and he searched, but they were long gone, so he shrugged and he sauntered, safely sure he’d damaged the work beyond salvage.

But when he went to his sleigh, he was stunned to discover what else was amiss. Sakura was gone, and so was her development! Gone were the parallels that he’d stolen, gone were his subplots, gone was his respect and adoration! Everything was gone, GONE, GONE!

They’d taken it all and run away with it, the Fans had refused his will!


 

I reached my limit  :argh:

Lys-Lou and Tiny Tsuki? :lol:  :P



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:39 PM

One hour till the movie starts in Japan  :P



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:40 PM

I reached my limit  :argh:

Lys-Lou and Tiny Tsuki? :lol:  :P

Alliteration is important :zaru: 

Also, gotta represent  :pimp:


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:44 PM

Alliteration is important :zaru: 

Also, gotta represent  :pimp:

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:03 AM

I'm not against them having a functional relationship, it's just that this was the situation last time we saw it. I would like it more if Kishi sorted out that dilemma instead of doing just another 180.

 

Yes me too. I was thinking it could have been better to make them bond without the retcon. It's simple. Hinata could say that even if she's envious of Hanabi and even if she feel no good in front of her, she love her as her sister and so on.

 

It's really simple.

 

There is no need to retcon everything... =/

 

They are stomping on the characters...


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:05 AM

 

I really can't get used to this wide-apart eyes from this movie. I swear Sakura's left eye looks like it's going to fall off her face.

 

Hinata is just creepy.
 

 

 

 

You have a good point... if it wasn't for the fact that it is a well known fact that Nomura killed her off to bring out Tifa.

 

FF7 Dismantled (FF7 Kaitai Shinsho- the Complete): this book was released at 1997, published by Famistu.Co. There's an interview with Nomura in this book, talking the decision of having Aerith as a tragic heroine. It's during the process of creating FF7, he said that "....in the original setting, Aerith is the only heroine, there's no Tifa. One night I called Kitase-san and said 'Let's kill Aerith and create Tifa." He said there's no dare make such decision, so it'd be rather something. Later on his statement caused fan's unsatisfied criticism, so he explained in another interview that "I didn't mean that, it's his direct decision."

 

 

I honestly don't think you played the game at all. First of all, there is no such game as Dissidia 2, it's called Dissidia 012 Duodecim because it serves as a prequel.

 

Secondly, Aerith was not in the game as a character. She was ONLY an ASSIST, which is what this game calls summons. That's the reason why she "can't be hurt" -- she is literally just a two-second attack that the player can use in battle. You might as well say Cloud's sword is Nomura's favourite character because it can't get damaged either.
 

 

 

I can't seem to decipher what you're trying to say, do you have a source for it? Because the complete edition only solidified Cloud feeling sorry for Zack. The dude even appeared during his final fight against Sephiroth, not Aerith. Seriously, any importance Aerith had as a singular resonant character was really wiped out during the re-release of the movie. If Nomura considers his draft script to be canon, he really did a poor job of it when they crammed in those extra Zack scenes in the film.

 

 

I haven't seen the film since it was first released either. The song is called Calling, it was released about a decade before the movie was. Yes, Cloud was on a bike going through fields of flowers. Yes, Aerith was shown to be among the yellow flowers in a different frame. But the end of the movie has Cloud putting yellow flowers next to his photo of Tifa with the rest of AVALANCHE.

 

 

No, Cloud and Aerith were only meant to be together during the rough drafts of the story. It was changed. Just like how Fang and Terra were both meant to be men, but rewritten as women. Cloud was literally in love with Tifa when he was younger, the game explains it quite clearly he forgot it all along with the rest of his identity thanks to mako and whatever Hojo did to him. Aerith downright states she didn't know the real Cloud days before her death. 

 

Yep, Cloud says "I think I can meet her... there." Tifa replies, "Yeah, let's go meet her." This seems deliberately poignant and vague, I doubt Cloud was going to end his life to be with Aerith, and if he did, then it would be purely perplexing for Tifa to say she would join him. =|

 

The RPG element of the game does not mean that this is a harem RPG. That was only for the Golden Saucer minigame, which actually doesn't impact on the overall story at all. For the sole purpose of analysing the merits of cloti vs clerith, the shipping fandom are usually ignore these game mechanics. FFX had a similar mechanism where you can get Tidus to hit on Rikku or Lulu --- but it's pretty obvious who his real love interest is.

 

I'm personally indifferent to cloti as a whole; I find Cloud's endless routine with being sad to be a boring and predictable story.

 

 

 

Dude, the website is cloudandaerith.com. I've done more than enough research, again and again the fact is: Nomura killed Aerith to bring out Tifa.

 

Go play Crisis Core. The game literally forces you to visit Aerith in between missions. The only time he never called her was after he died. He was flirty to other women, but he never cheated on Aerith.

 

Cloud's mother wanted her son to marry an older woman not because the game was telling you Aerith was better. It was to show how weak and dependent her son was on her, which is ironic because she dies. And really, telling your son to marry someone who will coddle him like a child is plain disturbing.

 

 

 

Amano can draw whatever he likes; he has no role in creating the games at all. Nomura designed Aerith to be normal, it's Tifa he pimped out to be fanservice.

 

The Kingdom Hearts universe has nothing to do with the FFVII universe.

 

Cloud had a crush on Tifa but he literally forgot about it until after Aerith died. Cloud and Tifa then fell into the lifestream, that's when he remembered he wasn't a first-class soldier, and his real childhood identity.

 

Cloud's "ongoing theme"? No, that was one line from the entire game. AC had him moping around for forgiveness, in the end he moves back in the home he shares with Tifa. =|

Let's kill Aerith and create Tifa. That interview is known to be false or a joke done by Nomura, he said so himself besides by the time they decided that Aerith would die, it was because they only had 3 characters at the moment. Also remember that Tifa was created at the end. So basically it makes that comment impossible in it's nature.

Dissidia Deudecim it's the sequel to the game dissidia, the story is a prequel but the game it's a sequel in nature. Anyways my point still stands, you cant hurt Aeris but she can help you. Just like nomura said that she would never be hurt again. I know how summons work, because Dissidia 1 it's among my all time favorite games.

Zack really could cheat on Aerith in CC, because you could date cisney if you wanted to. Because it's an rpg you can choose to either stay faithful to Aerith or cheat on her. Eitherway he commented near the end that Aerith may be kind of mad with him, and Elmyra didnt liked him at all. Also Aerith commented on him being a womanizer.

 

Then you have them constantly being together in spinoff games and artwork. If Cloud is meant to be with Tifa then why has SE being doing this forever since 97? They even appear together as easter eggs on Parasite Eve for gods sake.
Amano has always been the official art guy for the games, so it's not like he can draw wathever he wants.

 

During Cloud's fight with sephiroth, Aerith can be seen on his eye reflection. I dont have the link anymore but it's somewhere on the net where it states that the original Advent Children takes precedence over the new one. By the simple fact that the new one it's a sort of special edition.

Look I am telling you solid facts and giving you things like free candy to a kid in halloween while you are giving me stuff  that are just assumptions with bias and fake interviews. Like pulling at straws.

Like I said, it was like in Titanic. Aerith was his true love but he eventually moved on because of the tragedy that happened. Because if he was this attached to her "while she was gone" then imagine if she was still alive.

If you want to continue this convo please P.M. because this is Offtopic and we will get in trouble.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:06 AM

So did actual people really got their tickets refunded?



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:15 AM

I think the movie has started for some unfortunate folks...



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:21 AM

It already begun? :argh:

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:21 AM

Good thing the premiere of the movie in my country is after 11 days of the original screening. That way I won't be wasting money if I find out that Hinata-sama is in every scene and footage.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:23 AM

It already begun? :argh:

Someone in the theory thread said that one theater was starting at 9:10 japan time and the rest at 9:40



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:26 AM

Good thing the premiere of the movie in my country is after 11 days of the original screening. That way I won't be wasting money if I find out that Hinata-sama is in every scene and footage.

You live in japan? It would be interesting to see how the people reacted after just coming out of the theater, granted the NH fans will be awed but the rest I really cant see how, concerning all the BS plot that we have been getting.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:29 AM

-getting ready for dinner-

and now, THE FINALE!

How the Grinchmoto Stole Christmas ( from Everyone but NH)
By Dr.Tsuki

Part five:

"Well, it doesn't even matter!" He sniffed derisively and yelled for his wife to pull the sleigh.
"when we get home its back to the kitchen with you!" Groused the Grinchmoto as he climbed on the empty cart.
For you see dear reader, it didn't matter what the two brave young Fan's had done, for when the sun rose in the morning
it will all be done. The movie would be out, it would become the NEW canon.
All would be lost, or so he thought. 

For yes indeed, the movie did come out but the theaters of Fanville were neigh empty!
A gloriously terrible thing was happening. 
There was the clacking of Key boards, and POST AFTER POST!
The letters still came! Letter after letter, post after post! 
Debates were still going on and on and on! 

"It can't be!" Grinchmoto wept, and smacked the plate from his wife's hands.
It couldn't, it shouldn't be possible! "Things are even worse then before!" 

For the Fans down in Fanville did not weep or slip quietly into depression,
they fought with their keyboards,
they screamed with their skypes!
They raged and they raged all through the night.
They rejected his canon and such was his plight,
that the very next night, his wife took flight. 

To this very day, way up in the east,
The clicking and the clacking
The posts and the notes
keep coming and coming with no signs of stopping.

While way down in a quite corner of Fanville
The Naruhina's are left alone. "Perhaps its true." they thought with a sigh.
"Perhaps before was better than this..." and then they barked a laugh. 
"nah, couldn't be!" They called into the lonely, empty night. 


The End. 

 


Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 06 December 2014 - 12:31 AM.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:31 AM

-getting ready for dinner-

and now, THE FINALE!

How the Grinchmoto Stole Christmas ( from Everyone but NH)
By Dr.Tsuki

Part five:

"Well, it doesn't even matter!" He sniffed derisively and yelled for his wife to pull the sleigh.
"when we get home its back to the kitchen with you!" Groused the Grinchmoto as he climbed on the empty cart.
For you see dear reader, it didn't matter what the two brave young Fan's had done, for when the sun rose in the morning
it will all be done. The movie would be out, it would become the NEW canon.
All would be lost, or so he thought. 

For yes indeed, the movie did come out but the theaters of Fanville were neigh empty!
A gloriously terrible thing was happening. 
There were was the clacking of Key boards, and POST AFTER POST!
The letters still came! Letter after letter, post after post! 
Debates were still going on and on and on! 

"It can't be!" Grinchmoto wept, and smacked the plate from his wife's hands.
It couldn't, it shouldn't be possible! "Things are even worse then before!" 

For the Fans down in Fanville did not weep or slip quietly into depression,
they fought with their keyboards,
they screamed with their skypes!
They raged and they raged all through the night.
They rejected his canon and such was his plight,
that the very next night, his wife took flight. 

To this very day, way up in the east,
The clicking and the clacking
The posts and the notes
keep coming and coming with no signs of stopping.

While way down in a quite corner of Fanville
The Naruhina's are left alone. "Perhaps its true." they thought with a sigh.
"Perhaps before was better than this..." and then they barked a laugh. 
"nah, couldn't be!" They called into the lonely, empty night. 


The End. 

 

That last part  :lmao: It was so beautiful  :cry: Too bad I have no likes :argh:



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:31 AM

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