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[trang95]

.... Guys there is something I've got say upon visiting Barnes and Noble earlier today 

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[Nostradamus]

You know for the life of me I still don't understand who benefits from this destruction. What exactly are their goals? To make everyone that was loyal to this story hate them. Is that it? If so then congratulations you achieved it.

 

I get the fact that they wanted to make their idiotic pairing happen. But what the hell does that have to do with everything else?

Edited by Nostradamus, 27 February 2015 - 12:25 AM.

[AHK]

This is now far beyond just pushing Sakura to the background for Hinata's sake. It's like they are trying to wipe her from the storyline altogether.
 
I've been reading some on gender inequality issues in Japan, and I've started to wonder if the Sakura hate isn't rooted in the fact that she is so far out of the mold for traditional Japanes roles for women. Sakura now has to face being an adult woman in a modern Konoha, and she can no longer be the same woman she was and have a child. She has to give it all up. It's a problem women are facing in modern Japan as well — keep your career or give it up for a family? You cannot have both. (It's looked down on being a working mother, they're called "devil wives," and daycares are hard to come by for mothers and looked down upon by non-mothers.)
 
So I'm starting to wonder if wiping Sakura from the storyline is just laying the foundation for her to become the happy little housewife and be forgotten about.  
 
I know this is deeper thinking about this topic, but really, why is this going on?? Sakura is the main heroine, who has done nothing but support the main hero. Why would this kind of treatment be allowed? Writing her off should be as wrong as writing Naruto off and replacing him with Sasuke as the de facto main hero.
 
I'm beginning to think that for the people/editors/handlers/animators that surround Kishimoto, Sakura's role in the story has become a problem. She is not the submissive, voluptuous, inoffensive girl that Hinata is. And since Sakura has had so much develpoment in the story towards her goals, she is automatically expected to do something with her life other than give up all her hopes and dreams to be a babymaker for Sasuke.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the people around Kishimoto (most likely all male) are uncomfortable with a character like Sakura and don't know what to do with her except write her out of relevancy. She is put into a more traditional role and neutralized. 
 
This isn't just bad writing. This is abject sexism. 
 
And these kind of gender role issues are a big problem in Japan right now. I'm beginning to wonder is Sakura is getting such awful treatment because the people who are writing/animating have a bigger problem with her than just a Tsundere character. 
 
I would like to think that maybe Sakura has awakened some gender role issues for some people. That would be so fitting for a character who never excepted the status quo in the Naruto storyline either.

Idk, it's really hard to say why it's taking place. Part of it could be Japan's gender role assignment, but then, at the same time, it's hard to imagine that it's purely the societal constraints of Japan. It certainly could be, but my problem with that is this: I would say that the top 5 Shonen mangas in recent time are One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and Attack on Titan, yet Naruto is the only one that treats its females deplorably. In each of the other 4, women are empowered, so why is it that only Naruto fails in that regard? Wouldn't the more popular titles in part reflect the ideals of society they're reaching out to?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think it's just Naruto when it comes to women mishandling treatment out of the list you listed, AHK.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 February 2015 - 12:45 AM.

[Advaith]

I'm not surprised about mentioning only naruto and sasuke in kakashi's novel.

 

But 

 

What is the need for all this ?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not surprised about mentioning only naruto and sasuke in kakashi's novel.
 
But 
 
What is the need for all this ?

I don't know. To bury Sakura. Kishi is way worse than HHH in 2002-2004.

[rikakim94]

Idk, it's really hard to say why it's taking place. Part of it could be Japan's gender role assignment, but then, at the same time, it's hard to imagine that it's purely the societal constraints of Japan. It certainly could be, but my problem with that is this: I would say that the top 5 Shonen mangas in recent time are One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and Attack on Titan, yet Naruto is the only one that treats its females deplorably. In each of the other 4, women are empowered, so why is it that only Naruto fails in that regard? Wouldn't the more popular titles in part reflect the ideals of society they're reaching out to?

 

Maybe Kishimoto is old school therefore he's a traditionalist. 

Edited by rikakim94, 27 February 2015 - 12:56 AM.

[tricksie]

You know for the life of me I still don't understand who benefits from this destruction. What exactly are their goals? To make everyone that was loyal to this story hate them. Is that it? If so then congratulations you achieved it.

 

I get the fact that they wanted to make their idiotic pairing happen. But what the hell does that have to do with everything else?

 

Exactly. Who benefits? Will alienating fans improve their bottomline? Why commit to something that so radically alters the tone of the story, unless you were absolutely certain it was going to make it more popular than it was before and bring in more money than it had before. 

 

The pairing issue is one thing. But this steady destruction of Sakura's character and value to the story is something else entirely. One is rooted in the blind love of Hinata, the other comes from a deep hatred of Sakura.

 

 

Idk, it's really hard to say why it's taking place. Part of it could be Japan's gender role assignment, but then, at the same time, it's hard to imagine that it's purely the societal constraints of Japan. It certainly could be, but my problem with that is this: I would say that the top 5 Shonen mangas in recent time are One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and Attack on Titan, yet Naruto is the only one that treats its females deplorably. In each of the other 4, women are empowered, so why is it that only Naruto fails in that regard? Wouldn't the more popular titles in part reflect the ideals of society they're reaching out to?

 

Yeah, I wondered about that too. If this was something that went on in other super-popular mangas. 

 

And not just the treatment of women — stereotyping, etc. — but having the main female be completely thrown over for a secondary character. And now, having the main female character be systematically erased from the storyline. I don't know if this is something common or not.

 

As for the other mangas grappling with gender issues.... I don't know. It may be that Kishimoto has become more traditional leaning than the other mangakas, therefore more willing to give in to gender issues instead of fighting for Sakura to be a more modern girl and protecting her from those old tropes, like he had done in the past. 

 

It may also be that he was finished fighting for the manga in general, because Naruto got short shrift too at the end. He let the story be 'decided by committee' at the end. 

 

I certainly don't think every manga reflects the gender inequality issues in Japan, I just feel like this Sakura hate runs deeper than just swapping places with her and Hinata. Why are they trying to erase someone who was integral to the story, self-empowered and supportive of the hero, no matter what? It makes no sense. And if you love the story, then you would have to recognize her importance to the plot. 

 

It takes so much greater effort to wipe her from relevancy than it does just to give her a happy ending. So, why are they doing it? (I know, it's a bit of a rhetorical question there. For Hinata, obviously.)

[Swagkura]

I honestly feel like people in Naruto really have selective memory when it comes to Sasuke. Did they forget about the time when he murdered all of those Samurai? Did they forget about the time when he raided the Kage Summit? Or the time when he tried to kill both Sakura, Naruto, and Kakashi at that summit? Oh, and let's not forget the time when he put Sakura in a genjutsu that showed him stabbing her, declaring that he would kill every Kage from each and every village, also stating that he's basically gonna take over the whole ninja world, and saying that even though Naruto is his best friend, he still has to die. Or are they just gonna never bring that up again???

What has Sasuke done to actually be deserving of the title hero?

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

 

Maybe Kishimoto is old school therefore he's a traditionalist. 

No excuse for being sexist. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I honestly feel like people in Naruto really have selective memory when it comes to Sasuke. Did they forget about the time when he murdered all of those Samurai? Did they forget about the time when he raided the Kage Summit? Or the time when he tried to kill both Sakura, Naruto, and Kakashi at that summit? Oh, and let's not forget the time when he put Sakura in a genjutsu that showed him stabbing her, declaring that he would kill every Kage from each and every village, also stating that he's basically gonna take over the whole ninja world, and saying that even though Naruto is his best friend, he still has to die. Or are they just gonna never bring that up again???

What has Sasuke done to actually be deserving of the title hero?

Those guys' families are going to be so pissed...

[Swagkura]

Those guys' families are going to be so pissed...

It's sad how irrelevant they were too. But, since their side side characters, nobody probably gave a kitten about them in the first place and just moved on with their lives.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's sad how irrelevant they were too. But, since their side side characters, nobody probably gave a kitten about them in the first place and just moved on with their lives.

And this is why Death Note concept exist.

[Khaleesi]

A japanese singer known as Eir Aoi has arrived to Peru and some of my friends are freaking out. 
Someone here knows her?

[rocci]

Tobi is obito. The problem I have with this is the time line. And we know that kishi timeline is a mess.

Kishi is a traditionalist.

Edited by rocci, 27 February 2015 - 01:32 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

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I saw Volume 69 worst part about it is I held it in my hands and stared at it for like 5 minutes before I continued looking down the manga section. Fun fact but most of their One Piece Volumes like 12-24, 46-63,  were sold I saw someone carry two huge bags of them and I was like damn that's serious dedication. Moving along side that I over heard a couple of people by the starbucks section talking about how they were gonna buy all the Naruto Volumes, but they were gonna Tapping a Notecard  that says "kitten YOU KISHI" and then burn onto The Final Naruto Volume and burn it while roasting marshmallows for smores. 

 

I couldn't help but lmao  

[TouKen4Life3g]

Toni is obito. The problem I have with this is the time line. And we know that kishi timeline is a mess.

Kishi is a traditionalist.

Yeah, that's my problem. I just didn't get the whole "feint" aspect of Tobi with Zetsu. They made out to be strangers. It felt like it was right with only Pain/Konan knowing about it, but Zetsu knows way earlier than anyone else. So what the hell...

[trang95]

A japanese singer known as Eir Aoi has arrived to Peru and some of my friends are freaking out. 
Someone here knows her?

She sang some of the ending songs of some famous animes such as Fate/Zero or Sword Art Online, but I didn't know she would be that famous, lol.

[rocci]

A japanese singer known as Eir Aoi has arrived to Peru and some of my friends are freaking out. 
Someone here knows her?

I think her song is use for opening/ending of anime.
I forget what is the anime that use her song.
If I'm not mistaken it is fate stay night.

[trang95]

 
I saw Volume 69 worst part about it is I held it in my hands and stared at it for like 5 minutes before I continued looking down the manga section. Fun fact but most of their One Piece Volumes like 12-24, 46-63,  were sold I saw someone carry two huge bags of them and I was like damn that's serious dedication. Moving along side that I over heard a couple of people by the starbucks section talking about how they were gonna buy all the Naruto Volumes, but they were gonna Tapping a Notecard  that says "kitten YOU KISHI" and then burn onto The Final Naruto Volume and burn it while roasting marshmallows for smores. 
 
I couldn't help but lmao  

The hate is real XD One Piece- but as many volumes as you want b/c Oda won't (hopefully) betray his fans.