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[TouKen4Life3g]

Hiro now is no more then artist, his plot suuuuuucks so hard, at least for a main series.
 
Damn it!

I don't know, I wouldn't go that far. Kishi was the same with art though. Heck, even in the interview, Yahagi only got the art and that's it. Story, well we know who thought of concepts. Hiro's best work may be Rave but at least this guy is working on it with omake, side stories, and so on. That I will credit. Kishi seems like he has no idea of side story so he makes all of them into Naruto main series. That's why the pacing is slow.

[Nar123]

 

Maturing a narrative as your readers age is hard, though. Sure, Harry Potter grew up with its readers, but I think each book got progressively worse as JKR tried to deal with more adult issues. Plus, when you treat child abuse so flippantly in book 1, logical inconsistencies and problems become more glaring as your later books try to be more serious.

 

 

 

Well thats your opinion, the last two books were good but not that masterpiece, instead both the fifth and the fourth books have taken the cake as the best books in the series. 

Child abuse? You mean by Harry's uncle and aunt? That was explained later, why Harry had to stay there

 

Anyway, we shouldn't discuss HP here, its not the thread for it

[redrose3443]

Btw, some shikamaru novel chapters were translated if anyone's interested: http://www.narusaku....ic=14957&page=5

I just skimmed it by the end because it was too much reading.

 

Anyway, nice to know that all the male members of T7 are being hailed as heroes, while Sakura gets no mentioning. Who cares if she discover how White Zetsu works, or that she healed the entire SA, or gave a speech that kept them fighting in the first place, or kept their sunshine hero from dieing, saved Sasuke from a different dimension, and ultimately was the one, who kept Kaguya from getting away, leading to her defeat.

 

No Sakura's a woman, she clearly can't be a hero.  

 

Also, I love how we're only two chapters into this story and Neji was already mentioned and mourned, yet throughout Hinata's entire movie his name never even came up.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

You probably wasnt around the naruto fandom at the tobi theories time, there were tons of better ideas and theories than just being lazy and putting obito behind the mask. Obito was also given as dead during big part of the story so your point about "there was no other uchiha alive" makes no sense

 

Just look at this 

https://ashpapoye.wo...yal-naruto-fan/

 

Nah man, his death at konoha was good, he acted like a true shinobi, and discovered the crucial information to defeat Pein , even saved Choji's life. But as I said, it was highly difficult for him to stay dead since he is a fan favorite, he would come back in some way. I just think the whole obito thing is pointlless and an horrible excuse 

Oh come one, I aways belived it was Obito, give me at least some beliveable idea of who he was before mask was broken and how he was even in the story? Nothing was in there. I never tryed to seach for such.

Kakshi's death was like "WTF", he didn't do a thing, just one tip for a Tendo body. Never anything said about Rin and where she's gone etc.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 26 February 2015 - 04:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
You probably wasnt around the naruto fandom at the tobi theories time, there were tons of better ideas and theories than just being lazy and putting obito behind the mask. Obito was also given as dead during big part of the story so your point about "there was no other uchiha alive" makes no sense
 
Just look at this 
https://ashpapoye.wo...yal-naruto-fan/
 
Nah man, his death at konoha was good, he acted like a true shinobi, and discovered the crucial information to defeat Pein , even saved Choji's life. But as I said, it was highly difficult for him to stay dead since he is a fan favorite, he would come back in some way. I just think the whole obito thing is pointlless and an horrible excuse 

I'm going to read that article. I got to say, ever since the story introducing Tobi being everywhere else is what made Obito being the guy hard to believe. I always saw the part with Itachi talking about him to Sasuke being true...until change of plan. I mean Tobi just saying he lied is a copout. I would like Madara being pure obsessed evil, especially how Madara just took his brother's eyes like nothing. That's kittened up.

If you want Obito be behind the mask, fine, but if you ask me, have Madara being the one take over that body. Have Madara performing the same thing that Orochimaru does only his style. He found it and pretty much start anew, but he has to organize, so enter Akatsuki. It's rather weird to have Tobi telling Kakashi that he found the eye in the battlefield yet he's the owner. That line almost felt like an old script like if Madara was the one took over the body. I don't know, there should have been another way...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 26 February 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[Nar123]

Oh come one, I aways belived it was Obito, give me at least some beliveable idea of who he was before mask was broken and how he was even in the story? Nothing was in there. 

Kakshi's death was like "WTF", he didn't do a thing, just one tip for a Tendo body. Never anything said about Rin and where she's gone etc.

 

Rin's death could be explained down the road in any other way it wasnt that important at the time. 

Of course you believed it was Obito, it was the obvious and easy way out. 

Granted if he worked things up he could have made the story behind Obito as Tobi a little more believable and not so much cliche and stupid. 

 

Kakashi didn't do a thing? If he didn't sacrificed himself Naruto wouldn't have defeated Pein, but as I said, Kakashi wouldn't die even without asspull Rinne Tensei, he is just too much popular for it. 

Edited by Nar123, 26 February 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[redrose3443]

@redrose
I don't see any problem with naruto start with age of 12.
I agree that team seven need more mission before chunin exam. I have no idea why kishi need to rush in chunin exam.

I just think that the first impressions everyone got of the characters, forever labled them. Naruto was known as the obnoxious idot, Sakura the weak fangirl, Sasuke the angsty emo, and HInata the nice girl, who loved Naruto when no one else did.( completely ignoring Iruka and Sandaime.)

 

A lot of good things came from the story starting where it did, but I just think Kishi could have done better if he wanted to show how the characters had changed from their 12 year old selves. ( Like making SNS and T7's bonds more understandable and actually have them working as a team, instead of just forcing them to call themselves that.)

[Nar123]

I'm going to read that article. I got to say, ever since the story introducing being everywhere else is what made Obito being the guy hard to believe. I always saw the part with Itachi talking about him to Sasuke being true...until change of plan. I mean Tobi just saying he lied is a copout. I would like Madara being pure obsessed evil, especially how Madara just took his brother's eyes like nothing. That's f**cked up.

If you want Obito be behind the mask, fine, but if you ask me, have Madara being the one take over that body. Have Madara performing the same thing that Orochimaru does only his style. He found it and pretty much start anew, but he has to organize, so enter Akatsuki. It's rather weird to have Tobi telling Kakashi that he found the eye in the battlefield yet he's the owner. That line almost felt like an old script like if Madara was the one took over the body. I don't know, there should have been another way...

 

The author is a NH so beware of his BS, though a lot of his points about what was wrong makes sense.

There is also some prejudice against Sakura in there

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I don't know, I wouldn't go that far. Kishi was the same with art though. Heck, even in the interview, Yahagi only got the art and that's it. Story, well we know who thought of concepts. Hiro's best work may be Rave but at least this guy is working on it with omake, side stories, and so on. That I will credit. Kishi seems like he has no idea of side story so he makes all of them into Naruto main series. That's why the pacing is slow.

You right, he at least working, but I saying that he is mainly artist, because right now, his plot doesn't get deeper then 1+1=2.

 

 

Rin's death could be explained down the road in any other way it wasnt that important at the time. 

Of course you believed it was Obito, it was the obvious and easy way out. 

Granted if he worked things up he could have made the story behind Obito as Tobi a little more believable and not so much cliche and stupid. 

 

Kakashi didn't do a thing? If he didn't sacrificed himself Naruto wouldn't have defeated Pein, but as I said, Kakashi wouldn't die even without asspull Rinne Tensei, he is just too much popular for it. 

It was important for Kakashi's character. 

Silly me, who belived in NS.

Was fine by me, Kishimoto did a kittened up story in the end, so Tobi's double personality, using MS jutsu without MS itself, and etc.

What? Naruto didn't use a thing of Kakashi got to know, he himself saw all the things that Pein done, and still got pwned with all info.

Neji to you.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think he's aiming for deep plot. Just a fun one. It's kind of like asking for calm and strategic with Gurren Lagann. I can't tell you that you're reading it wrong or drop it, but that's how I see. Naruto had an identity, until it decided it's all out action or melodramatic story like no one was bad, just misguided. It became overbearing. I guess that's why I don't fault as much with DBZ because it's still adventurous and despite being overpowered proportion, what exactly is it breaking?

[Nar123]

 

 

It was important for Kakashi's character. 

Silly me, who belived in NS.

Was fine by me, Kishimoto did a f**cked up story in the end, so Tobi's double personality, using MS jutsu without MS itself, and etc.

What? Naruto didn't use a thing of Kakashi got to know, he himself saw all the things that Pein done, and still got pwned with all info.

Neji to you.

 

Not at all, it was important for the readers, Kakashi was  there he knew what happened

 

NS and obito = tobi are two different things, NS had proofs and build up and is subplot, Obito = Tobi is part of the main plot and just looked like an easy way out for the masked guy thing, granted it could have been well done. Instead what we got was a sh*tty and cliche reason, the man even contradicted himself.

First- This isnt because Rin died

After- This is because Rin died

WTF. At least make it look believable Kishimoto

 

Naruto received 5 second information from Tsunade  who received it  from Choji who received from kakashi. Alas without Kakashi sacrifice, wthout discovering Pein's Secret 

 

Neji isnt anywhere near the popularity of Kakashi 

Edited by Nar123, 26 February 2015 - 04:35 PM.

[Nar123]

I don't think he's aiming for deep plot. Just a fun one. It's kind of like asking for calm and strategic with Gurren Lagann. I can't tell you that you're reading it wrong or drop it, but that's how I see. Naruto had an identity, until it decided it's all out action or melodramatic story like no one was bad, just misguided. It became overbearing. I guess that's why I don't fault as much with DBZ because it's still adventurous and despite being overpowered proportion, what exactly is it breaking?

 

THIS

[TouKen4Life3g]

I read the article. It's not bad though too much fanboy talk like why not this guy or that guy. Anyway, there were good points, mainly the whole Orochimaru. It was asspull no less and I was at least hoping for something but now, we got potential of him being used by Bolt. Good god.. Anyway, if you ask me, this war arc can be classified one thing:

All Star Naruto Arc.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Not at all, it was important for the readers, Kakashi was  there he knew what happened

 

NS and obito = tobi are two different things, NS had proofs and build up and is subplot, Obito = Tobi is part of the main plot and just looked like an easy way out for the masked guy thing, granted it could have been well done. Instead what we got was a sh*tty and cliche reason, the man even contradicted himself.

First- This isnt because Rin died

After- This is because Rin died

WTF. At least make it look believable Kishimoto

 

Naruto received 5 second information from Tsunade  who received it  from Choji who received from kakashi. Alas without Kakashi sacrifice, wthout discovering Pein's Secret 

 

Neji isnt anywhere near the popularity of Kakashi 

I meant that witout Kakashi, Rin's story would be thrown away.

NS and Obito exactly the same. 
Person with one sharingan, older then Itachi, same ability as Kakashi. You still not named even one possible person other then Obito. Even Madara was a joke. We already saw that only his name would be killing.

Obito's talk was just "bla bla" his deeds shows that he acted because of Rin.

And those 5 seconds didn't do a thing without tailed beast.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I don't think he's aiming for deep plot. Just a fun one. It's kind of like asking for calm and strategic with Gurren Lagann. I can't tell you that you're reading it wrong or drop it, but that's how I see. Naruto had an identity, until it decided it's all out action or melodramatic story like no one was bad, just misguided. It became overbearing. I guess that's why I don't fault as much with DBZ because it's still adventurous and despite being overpowered proportion, what exactly is it breaking?

Oh please, I read Sun Ken Rock, story there is pretty much 2+2=4, but author makes it great with drawings and plot, not tons of fanservice in each chapter, when even normal panels shows us underwear of girls 

[Nar123]

I read the article. It's not bad though too much fanboy talk like why not this guy or that guy. Anyway, there were good points, mainly the whole Orochimaru. It was asspull no less and I was at least hoping for something but now, we got potential of him being used by Bolt. Good god.. Anyway, if you ask me, this war arc can be classified one thing:

All Star Naruto Arc.

 

I LOL'ed

 

 

I meant that witout Kakashi, Rin's story would be thrown away.

NS and Obito exactly the same. 
Person with one sharingan, older then Itachi, same ability as Kakashi. You still not named even one possible person other then Obito. Even Madara was a joke. We already saw that only his name would be killing.

Obito's talk was just "bla bla" his deeds shows that he acted because of Rin.

And those 5 seconds didn't do a thing without tailed beast.

 

Not necessarily, it could be revelead to Naruto and Sakura by someone close to kakashi

Are not, I already explained why

Uchiha Kagami, Uchiha Izuna, Uchiha Fugaku, Danzo...there were a lot of theories, and a lot of opportunity. Kagami is even a not fully used character, he had some kind of a good relationship with Danzo, something that could be worked upon. Honestly Obito's story was told, it was a cool backstory, he was a compassionate boy who died to protect his teammates, the whole tobi thing just damaged his character more

 

Exactly he acted because of Rin...and this is ridiculous, I mean really the girl he liked  died but wtf man was there really need to completely freak out because of it? Its cliche, badly done and not realistic. His reason is weak

 

Naruto would be lost without the information, he would lose time trying to find a weakness in Pein's Shinra Tensei and as far as he came Naruto was not as shrewd as Kakashi to figure it out like that, so  stop trying to undermine the importance of the information Kakashi obtained

Edited by Nar123, 26 February 2015 - 04:52 PM.

[ichigo500]

Btw, some shikamaru novel chapters were translated if anyone's interested: http://www.narusaku....ic=14957&page=5

I've read most of it, but couldn't finish, it wasn't really interesting. 

So....even Shikamaru stopped saying "Troublesome" haha... 

 

And apparently, Sakura wasn't there to save the world too...  She was cleaning the battlefield...training to become a good housewife... 

we can seriously expect the worst in the incoming book about her "secret feelings"  

[FireFox]

Btw, some shikamaru novel chapters were translated if anyone's interested: http://www.narusaku....ic=14957&page=5

Please correct me if I'm wrong but did I just read that peace was achieved during Kakashi's time by gathering all the other small villages and not Naruto !?  That Naruto  didn't do kitten !?  Seriously why dafuq is this manga called Naruto in the first place WHY !? Just kittening rename it  I've never seen the MC of his own story been kittented on like this WTF  who gave this guy a license to write JFC   .   

I just skimmed it by the end because it was too much reading.

 

Anyway, nice to know that all the male members of T7 are being hailed as heroes, while Sakura gets no mentioning. Who cares if she discover how White Zetsu works, or that she healed the entire SA, or gave a speech that kept them fighting in the first place, or kept their sunshine hero from dieing, saved Sasuke from a different dimension, and ultimately was the one, who kept Kaguya from getting away, leading to her defeat.

 

No Sakura's a woman, she clearly can't be a hero.

 

Also, I love how we're only two chapters into this story and Neji was already mentioned and mourned, yet throughout Hinata's entire movie his name never even came up.

kittening This    Who's Sakura    And WTF why is Sasuke regarded as a freaking Hero WTH did he do to deserve that tittle when he went against them in the end and it was forced      The sasuke wanking kitten has no end to it I swear  .

Oh come one, I aways belived it was Obito, give me at least some beliveable idea of who he was before mask was broken and how he was even in the story? Nothing was in there. I never tryed to seach for such.

Kakshi's death was like "WTF", he didn't do a thing, just one tip for a Tendo body. Never anything said about Rin and where she's gone etc.

Bro the timeline and the events with Obito giving the Rinengan to Nagato didn't kittening fit  that's why people were pissed as kitten  it was all twisted . I'm to lazy to explain it now but there was an article that explains it all why Tobi being Obito is a huge kittening plot hole  Kikitten should have planed the event better in order to not kitten it up but  its Kikitten so  nevermind .  

[RyohkiFan]

@NS4L, sorry to bother! It's just I saw some people asking for the translation of the article and I was wondering if you could post it on tumblr so people can see if you're ok with it that is! It's not a full translation but it is what my friend thought was more important, sorry for this

[TouKen4Life3g]

@NS4L, sorry to bother! It's just I saw some people asking for the translation of the article and I was wondering if you could post it on tumblr so people can see if you're ok with it that is! It's not a full translation but it is what my friend thought was more important, sorry for this

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