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[Nate River]

the only reason why luffy didn't completely destroy noah was because the seakings stopped him. the seakings themselves said that luffy would have have destroyed noah and saved the island on his own had they not intervened. noah is bigger than any mountain zoro cut, it's half the size of fishman island. zoro isn't touching elephant gatling gun, the destruction is just too much.

 

 

Well, it looks like "all or nothing" thing with the worst concept in it.

Ok, that's for you, I liked Kakashi's interaction in war arc. And whole Obito=Tobi thing was really intersting in his development. 

Luffy can't launch it any time, and he woudn't crush it in time from what we saw. Maybe top of it, but not into pieces.

 

You guys have been asked twice (by other members) to take the OP discussion elsewhere. There are other places on the board or PM where you guys can talk about this to your hearts content.

 

Stop the off topic posting or you will both be warned.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

You guys have been asked twice (by other members) to take the OP discussion elsewhere. There are other places on the board or PM where you guys can talk about this to your hearts content.

Stop the off topic posting or you will both be warned.

Okay... with one line.

[rocci]

With the kitten ending had - it is in a serious ask for it.

With or without that kitten ending, naruto doesn't need to do that.

@nar123
I think what you want is a more deep and mature writing.
While it interesting idea, I don't think naruto need to change demographic.
I think if the like of death note, monster, and hxh could that kind writing Eventhought it's a shonen manga, then why the heck naruto could not do that too?
That's because kishi is a bad writer. Even if naruto change to seinen, the kitten ending will still happen because kishi is a kitten writer.

And I still consider harry potter as teen boy novel. Even if the novel become dark.

Edited by rocci, 26 February 2015 - 03:42 PM.

[Nar123]

How it was dumb? If Kakshi's flashback was totally on that purpose?

Somone other, would be totall asspul. Kakashi's mental brake on Obito's words was intersting.

 

It was such a contrived way to do that, just so obvious and stupid. Kishi could have very easily put another person over there without making it look like an asspull, c'mon kishi , even more if he really did what he wanted and ended part two 7 years ago.

 

Kakashi's flashback was just to tell how he managed to get the sharingan and his beliefs, no problem with that.

Nah, anything interesting about kakashi's character in the war arc was completely obliterated by that horrible inexcusable asspull.

[Chatte]

Btw, some shikamaru novel chapters were translated if anyone's interested: http://www.narusaku....ic=14957&page=5

[Nar123]

With or without that kitten ending, naruto doesn't need to do that.

@nar123
I think what you want is a more deep and mature writing.
While it interesting idea, I don't think naruto need to change demographic.
I think if the like of death note, monster, and hxh could that kind writing Eventhought it's a shonen manga, then why the heck naruto could not do that too?
That's because kishi is a bad writer. Even if naruto change to seinen, the kitten ending will still happen because kishi is a kitten writer.

 

Ah I understand, the change of demographic was not that necessary anyway. 

I know Kishi is a kitten writer as he proved to us, but maybe he could end things at least conclusively if he had done the series the way he wanted

Edited by Nar123, 26 February 2015 - 03:43 PM.

[Nar123]

And I still consider harry potter as teen boy novel. Even if the novel become dark.

 

Its undeniable that Harry Potter has grown up with it readers.

I'm saying Naruto could end up doing the same instead of keeping up that juvenile feeling

[rocci]

 
Ah I understand, the change of demographic was not that necessary anyway. 
I know Kishi is a kitten writer as he proved to us, but maybe he could end things at least conclusively if he had done the series the way he wanted

He could, but kishi is not that talented and he become a lazy writer by the end of manga. He's a hardwork type mangaka, not a talented one.

[redrose3443]

 

Lack of interest by the author. A lot of things could be better explored in the Naruto universe, I for one think the chuunin exam arc came rather early. Team 7 should have taken at least one more important mission before it

Yeah, Kishi just seemed not to care about building his world too much.

 

I would have loved to see stealth missions, taken by ANBU and a jounin exam. I also would have liked to know about the other villages and their systems. But, he just didn't care enough to stem away from Uchiha angst, in order to make his story better.

 

I always, say that his execution is terrible. The way he started his series with them being 12 was the first problem I came to realize, because it atuomatically labeled the characters, before we got the chance to see them mature and better themselves. Or the way he just liked to claim that Naruto and Sasuke were so close, yet barely show us how. Or he fact that, Sakura supposedly fell in love with Sasuke after barely talking to him for a few months, that they became teammates.

 

Kishi's execution just sucks all around, which is why his characters came off as Gary Stus., or weak, and or one dimensional. Because he didn't know how to develop them and keep the story going, so he often made them do circles, just so he can keep them on track with his plan.

[luffyq1]

Lack of interest by the author. A lot of things could be better explored in the Naruto universe, I for one think the chuunin exam arc came rather early. Team 7 should have taken at least one more important mission before it

definitely lack of interest. the author couldn't give a damn about characters such as ten-ten, shino and many other characters. this is the same author who erased karin and had yamato missing for years and pops up just as the war is done, and then disappears again.

 

@rocci - i'll message you.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He could, but kishi is not that talented and he become a lazy writer by the end of manga. He's a hardwork type mangaka, not a talented one.

That makes sense, though his hard work seems low compare to the like of Hiro or Oda.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

It was such a contrived way to do that, just so obvious and stupid. Kishi could have very easily put another person over there without making it look like an asspull, c'mon kishi , even more if he really did what he wanted and ended part two 7 years ago.

 

Kakashi's flashback was just to tell how he managed to get the sharingan and his beliefs, no problem with that.

Nah, anything interesting about kakashi's character in the war arc was completely obliterated by that horrible inexcusable asspull.

There was none Uchina left, none who had a problem with system. Kakashi's flashback was a good development, with his death at Konoha, whole his character would be sent for flying kittens, because the only problem we saw - it's Obito's death that he caused himself without Kakshi's hand in there.

 

Btw, some shikamaru novel chapters were translated if anyone's interested: http://www.narusaku....ic=14957&page=5

Thanks.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

With or without that kitten ending, naruto doesn't need to do that.

@nar123
I think what you want is a more deep and mature writing.
While it interesting idea, I don't think naruto need to change demographic.
I think if the like of death note, monster, and hxh could that kind writing Eventhought it's a shonen manga, then why the heck naruto could not do that too?
That's because kishi is a bad writer. Even if naruto change to seinen, the kitten ending will still happen because kishi is a kitten writer.

And I still consider harry potter as teen boy novel. Even if the novel become dark.

If he is heavily influensed by audience, then with more mature people would be better ending. HxH maybe great, but it's kitten at progressing.

[rocci]

@redrose
I don't see any problem with naruto start with age of 12.
I agree that team seven need more mission before chunin exam. I have no idea why kishi need to rush in chunin exam.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If he is heavily influensed by audience, then with more mature people would be better ending. HxH maybe great, but it's sh*tty at progressing.

Kind of sad for that because it's almost telling us greatness awaits. Damn that Mangaka!!!

[Narufan85]

 

Its undeniable that Harry Potter has grown up with it readers.

I'm saying Naruto could end up doing the same instead of keeping up that juvenile feeling

 

Maturing a narrative as your readers age is hard, though. Sure, Harry Potter grew up with its readers, but I think each book got progressively worse as JKR tried to deal with more adult issues. Plus, when you treat child abuse so flippantly in book 1, logical inconsistencies and problems become more glaring as your later books try to be more serious.

 

Yeah, Kishi just seemed not to care about building his world too much.

 

I would have loved to see stealth missions, taken by ANBU and a jounin exam. I also would have liked to know about the other villages and their systems. But, he just didn't care enough to stem away from Uchiha angst, in order to make his story better.

 

I always, say that his execution is terrible. The way he started his series with them being 12 was the first problem I came to realize, because it atuomatically labeled the characters, before we got the chance to see them mature and better themselves. Or the way he just liked to claim that Naruto and Sasuke were so close, yet barely show us how. Or he fact that, Sakura supposedly fell in love with Sasuke after barely talking to him for a few months, that they became teammates.

 

Kishi's execution just sucks all around, which is why his characters came off as Gary Stus., or weak, and or one dimensional. Because he didn't know how to develop them and keep the story going, so he often made them do circles, just so he can keep them on track with his plan.

 

Kishi and JKR are very similar. Both did a fantastic job world building at the start of their stories. I think that's part of why they are so popular in the fanfiction community. But like JKR, as Kishi's world grew, his story became too much to handle and all those things that interested me in Part 1 fell to the wayside as they fawned over Sasuke-kun.

[rocci]

Kind of sad for that because it's almost telling us greatness awaits. Damn that Mangaka!!!

Curse you dragon quest, and idol master.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

That makes sense, though his hard work seems low compare to the like of Hiro or Oda.

Hiro now is no more then artist, his plot suuuuuucks so hard, at least for a main series.

 

Curse you dragon quest, and idol master.

Damn it!

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least JKR stick to Harry Potter than Kishi sticking to Naruto. If you ask me, 680 was like a reminder who's the hero there.

[Nar123]

There was none Uchina left, none who had a problem with system. Kakashi's flashback was a good development, with his death at Konoha, whole his character would be sent for flying f**cks, because the only problem we saw - it's Obito's death that he caused himself without Kakshi's hand in there.

 

Thanks.

 

You probably wasnt around the naruto fandom at the tobi theories time, there were tons of better ideas and theories than just being lazy and putting obito behind the mask. Obito was also given as dead during big part of the story so your point about "there was no other uchiha alive" makes no sense

 

Just look at this 

https://ashpapoye.wo...yal-naruto-fan/

 

Nah man, his death at konoha was good, he acted like a true shinobi, and discovered the crucial information to defeat Pein , even saved Choji's life. But as I said, it was highly difficult for him to stay dead since he is a fan favorite, he would come back in some way. I just think the whole obito thing is pointlless and an horrible excuse 

Edited by Nar123, 26 February 2015 - 04:08 PM.