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#31741 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 03 September 2025 - 04:35 AM

I haven't finished Demon Slayer, (idk why, I started it, it was good, life just got in the way, lol) but I got the feeling like he was the Naruto Kishimoto was trying to write. An untarnished hero.

 

But...Kisihimoto always made Naruto the but of jokes too. Stupid or falling behind as a kid/teen/young adult, then a terrible dad as an adult. And not much of a hokage either. (I didn't watch Boruto. Just. Can't. Do. It. So, let me know if my opinion is wrong about that.) He was supposed to overcome his terrible past to become the hero, but Kishimoto just kept screwing him over.

 

Maybe it's just me. Anyway, when I watched Demon Slayer, Tanjiro felt like Naruto, without Kishimoto tripping him up all the time.

Demon Slayer is sort of what Naruto should have been and kind of was until Yahagi left.

 

What I mean by that is. Demon Slayer doesn't really slow down and it doesn't try to be super deep. If I had to describe it in a word its lean. It doesn't waste any time and is constantly progressing its story, every chapter has a point.

 

Its arcs once it gets going can be sum up as, the main cast is sent on a mission to kill a powerful demon, after their victory they under go training, and then they are sent out against even stronger demons. Rinse and repeat until they are facing the Big Bad's Elites.

 

The goal of the main character is simple; he wants to find a cure for his sister and avenge his family who were killed by the big bad. The message of the story is; no matter how traumatic an event you can't become trapped in it and need to move forward and live your life. All the demons are trapped in their trauma because of the big bad and the only way to move forward is to be killed the the protagonist and the other slayers. This simplicity allowed the mangaka to keep the story constantly focused and moving while still exploring their characters.

 

One of the problems with Naruto was that Yahagi had Kishimoto on a lean story while he was editor. Once he was gone, Kishimoto decided to make his story deep to justify its length. The problem was that it didn't have the build up/framework to be deep. It was an especially bad idea to start it on the final arc of the story.

 

It also didn't help that Kishimoto never focused on Naruto's goal or had a clear theme/message for the manga.

 

Naruto's goal is to become hokage but that was waylaid by the chase after Sasuke for so much of the story it doesn't matter because it never got focused on.

 

The message? If it had stayed on message we are people not cog in a machine. Or something like that. Maybe never give up which most would claim, but then Naruto gives up at the end. Cycle of Hatred, since that became the message for the chase after Sasuke though it doesn't really work for Naruto.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 October 2025 - 09:34 PM.


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Posted 04 September 2025 - 02:41 AM

he basically just combined different things from the adventure of dai, yu yu hakusho, hunter x hunter, and ninkuu from what i can tell. naruto doesn't chase after the hokage title because his predecessor didn't care about that his predecessor cared about saving his friend and masashi just lifted a bunch of stuff in ninkuu (substitution jutsu, body flicker jutsu, rasengan, sakura chasing guys who aren't interested). of course being the top of the pack like the king of the pirates was probably also an element important to naruto but he probably didn't think it as important
adventure of dai probably inspired even other stuff for instance tanjiro cutting a boulder or the demon slayer mark that can resonate. some other possible things it inspired are rurouni kenshin and the sailor moon live show


Edited by totherpage95, 04 September 2025 - 02:54 AM.


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Posted 07 September 2025 - 06:08 PM

This week Jujutsu Kaisen starts a Sci-fi sequel Modulo. The leads are the grandchildren of Yuta and Maki the protagonist of the movie and the senpai of the main cast. Well, its smart to use an already establish IP with a built in audience instead of creating a new one whole cloth. He also used grandchild instead of children and from a pairing no one had issues with.

 

Hopefully this one works out better than Kishimoto's did.



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Posted 09 September 2025 - 09:20 AM

Does anyone remember where I can find the source to when kishimoto said he had no idea how to beat madara, as I want to prove it to some guy I'm debating

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Posted 09 September 2025 - 04:27 PM

Does anyone remember where I can find the source to when kishimoto said he had no idea how to beat madara, as I want to prove it to some guy I'm debating

Id really have to deep dive to find it. I did find it like a year ago maybe but I cant remember if he said he doesnt know how to beat madara or if madara had no weakness

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Posted 09 September 2025 - 08:29 PM

Id really have to deep dive to find it. I did find it like a year ago maybe but I cant remember if he said he doesnt know how to beat madara or if madara had no weakness


Okay thanks that's very helpful

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Posted 10 September 2025 - 03:31 AM

personally i think the kaguya thing happened because masashi wanted to copy adventure of dai. sakura from what i remember knocks the same horn that dai knocks off (the right horn) and both have final villains that change because of black goo. i also think he had to bs his way into bringing naruto's dad back to match with dai's dad being present for the final battle







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