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Did the author try to deceive fans who preferred the 'Narusaku' relationship, instead of developing the 'NaruHina' couple? If this was indeed Kishimoto's intention, I find that he is much worse at developing romance than I had imagined. I believe he attempted to emulate romantic elements from 'Slam Dunk', but in the end, he seemed to adopt the approach of 'Akira', where unexpected couples were formed at the conclusion of the work.

 

An example of a couple that surprised many was Vegeta and Bulma, which became quite popular, unlike Sasuke-Sakura and Naruto-Hinata, which grew less and less popular. If he wanted to avoid scrutiny, it would have been simpler for him to not explicitly demonstrate the protagonist's feelings, as was the case in 'Bleach'. However, even this approach had its complications for the author.

 

No, Kishimoto wasn't trying to gaslight anyone.  The quote that I posted is just the desperate, self-deceptive rationale that NaruHina fans clutch to because acknowledging the alternative - that it only came about because he was forced -, is too bitter a truth to accept.  He's stated in the past that he doesn't understand Hinata's appeal and that he resisted when people tried to convince him to replace Sakura with her as the lead heroine.  Add to that, he confirmed that Sakura's confession to Naruto was genuine, to say nothing of the numerous parallels that he's drawn between between them and other relationships in the series. (Rin/Obito, Jiraiya/Tsunade,  Sakura's parents as well as his own)

Then you have his father directly comparing Sakura to his wife,  Naruto introducing her as his girlfriend (with her not even denying it), saving Naruto with the Kiss of Life, etc.  You don't put that much ridiculous effort into structuring and developing a relationship with a clearly romantic tint for hundreds of chapters, just to go "Psyche!  The real heroine/love interest is the side character chick who contributes absolutely nothing to the overall series and barely interacts with the protagonist because boobs and men love submissive females! Kakakakaka!"  He wasn't even involved with the Last aside from the movie novelization and there, he illustrated that Naruto's feelings for Hinata were out of obligation for not realizing that she was in love with him.  Dude has even gone on record of saying that the NaruHina couple is "born out of pity for Hinata". 

And if NaruHina was planned, then he wouldn't go out of his way to show how dysfunctional their family dynamic is or how miserable and negligent Naruto himself is as both a husband and father.

Dai x Leona - Dragon Quest: The Adventures of Dai.

 

Where did you get that quote from?

 

They have to: "The answer that is simple. Kushina and Minato have a happy health perfect relationship made even clearer by the one-shot. That are suppose to foreshadow how Naruto's relationship will end up as well as who he ends up marrying.

 

There is an old adage that one will end up marrying someone like their parents. Clearly that was at work in Naruto.

 

Sakura's father was a goofy man so Sakura should end up marrying a goofy Naruto. Naruto's mother was hot tempered, so he should marry the hot tempered Sakura.

 

MK and NS were both based off Kishimoto's own relationship. MK is just more mature, further along, and doesn't have the conflict Sasuke brought to it. The only problem they have, that was introduced by the one-shot, is that Kushina is trapped in a barrier. Which its implied Minato eventually solved by both strengthen her seal, and getting rid of that law so they could always be together.

 

So again, 'The Story of Naruto,' implies that Naruto will live a happy life if he gets into a relationship like his parents had. Obviously that being NS, you have to be either an idiot or deliberately refusing to accept that to not know that. So, the nH fans want to convince both themselves and everyone else that, it wasn't NS that MK was foreshadowing and paralleling to but nH. Sarcasm: Because, it so obvious to everyone that Hinata is exactly like Minato and/or Kushina. Also, ignore that fact that Kushina has cease to exist in Boruto to help bury the fact that, Hinata is nothing like her."

 

If it wasn't subversion. Then its even more clear that it was last minute and wasn't planned.

 

It's a quote from a post at the CloTi blog that I frequent.  The poster was trying to gaslight the blogger (who does not read or watch Naruto) by establishing a false equivalency between Clerith and NaruSaku on the basis that the line from the OG FFVII about how Cloud's mom wanted him to get with a "mature woman who would keep him out of trouble"  is the same as when Kushina told Naruto that he should marry a girl similar to her (or in other translations, not marry the first "weird girl" that shows an interest in him). Basically arguing that it is meant to be a subversion of the MCs going against their parents' wants by getting with women that differ from what their mothers suggested, which is completely off the mark. The comparison is flawed simply because the poster misinterprets that Cloud's mom was describing Aerith (because of the mistranslated "older" line and was properly translated in the Remake), when the conversation was all about Tifa(who Cloud has been in love with since he was a kid). So, in both cases, it's actually foreshadowing of who they would end up with in the future(or in Naruto's case, who he would've been with if not for Shueisha and Pierrot's executive meddling).     

It's sad that the poster clearly believes in that "It was planned from the beginning"  schtick that anyone who actually followed Kishimoto's interviews(or just read the manga without NaruHina shipping goggles) would know were BS. 

Wow, and NaruHinas are clutching onto that "The Kushina-Sakura connection was a deliberate red herring that's common in shonen" rhetoric even now and is trying to gaslight a CloTi fan (who doesn't watch or read Naruto) into believing it.

 

This is a common shounen dynamic (for the MC to fullfill their parent's wishes) that often serves the purpose of giving misleading hints. Like, in the Naruto manga, at some point he meets his dead mom and she tells him to find a gf with her own personality. Then everyone started thinking it was foreshadowing for canon NaruSaku. Same thing happens later when..

 

 

 

2.Naruto meets his dead father, Sakura’s beside him healing his wounds and the dad thinks Sakura’s his gf and tells her to take good care of his son. In the end Naruto never ended up with Sakura but with Hinata. NaruSaku was always meant to be a misleading ship (the author himself admitted it) with the sole purpose of spice things up. But people who didn’t let themselves being fooled, noticed that already

What's hilarious is that they conveniently leave out that Naruto was already crushing on/in love with Sakura long before his mother ever appeared and made her statement.  It had literally nothing to do with any projected need to appease his parents. It was long established that he and his father had the same taste in women.

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Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective

Christ, the incel is strong in that post.  Why yes, why on Earth would you want a partner you don't have to put airs around and will keep you grounded in reality while supporting you in a meaningful fashion (which is *not* to be a mindless yes-woman) when you can have a coddling doormat who will never take any initiative of her own?  

Which ultimately leads to: 

A) A misbehaving son that's acting out as a punk for the sake of attention and spite.

B) An undisciplined daughter that sucker-punches her dad for no reason and ruins the most important ceremony of his career. 

C) You being constantly swamped with work, which inevitably leads to anxiety, stress, fatigue and becoming an alcoholic to cope because your wife won't ever confront you about maintaining your physical/mental health or remind you of your priorities as a father/husband.

And she never doubts him? The idiot that stepped into a fight that she had no business intervening in because, by her own admittance, she was just acting out of her own selfish desire and made the situation exponentially worse?  Or when she told her pre-teen kids to protect their demi-god of a father, that's meant to be "support"?  Or when she kept fretting over him during the war while Sakura told her that Naruto would be fine - which is the proper expression of confidence and faith in one's partner -  that's supposed to be "encouragement"?  Spare me.

Boruto looks like a rejected One Piece character design, while Sarada looks like she's going through her emo/goth phase.  

Saw some people having a meltdown over this from a certain fandom, but then again what else is new? 

 

 

That said, I love it!  

I don't even understand why they bother acting indignant anymore.  They've seen for themselves throughout Boruto that Naruto sparsely shows consideration towards his children or any attraction towards Hinata.  Hell, he even called her out as a idiot for being more concerned about him being danger than their freakin' children.  

good to see this series is still loved among the amazing stuff at otakon i did see a shana cosplayer it's sad that the light novel translation rights were bought by viz and they stopped releasing the translations because of lack of sales i did see news that a new shakugan no shana s novel is coming this year not sure if it's released yet

Same.  I keep hoping that Yen Press, Seven Seas or even J-Novel will pick it up. As for the new novel, it hasn't been released yet.

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Oda is from the Akira school, so he does what he wants and, if possible, surprises the fans. Just look at his interviews to notice that.

Togashi is also from the same school of authority over his work; even Kubo is.  The main reason that Kishimoto isn't part of that club is because he's always been a little weak-willed as well as a people pleaser. Not to mention they were gaslighting and coercing him when he was at his most vulnerable.

There's no implied mandate by Shueisha that requires that the shonen male protagonists must reciprocate the feelings of girls that show an interest in them, regardless of onscreen chemistry and compatibility. Nisekoi (which concluded two years after Naruto) ended with the MC getting with the lead heroine, in spite of the fact that his original love interest confessed to him first.  Komi-san had its MC reject someone from his love triangle in spite of confessing first.  MHA just killed off Himiko after she confessed to Midoriya that she loved him before Ochako had her chance, and he rejected her.  Even Mashle had its lead protagonist frequently reject/ignore his self-proclaimed fiancee to the very end of the series.   I could go on.  

The closest thing to what you describe is in Demon Slayer with Tanjirou x Kanao, and the authoress at least establishes some rapport between them before they hooked up.  And Tanjirou had no other prospects.

I get that you're still jaded over Shuiesha and Pierrot influencing Kishimoto, but what happened in that title has not magically become law for all of their Shonen manga.  Especially when several newer authors seem to have taken Naruto as an object lesson to be much more prominent in establishing the main couples in a shonen title from the get-go, so that there's no confusion or debate.  Black Clover and My Hero Academia being good examples.

The only reasons why Shueisha pushed for Hinata as the lead heroine/love interest was because they heard about her appeal in the west and thought that would make them bank, as well as some of the editors and SP staff fetishizing her. And we've seen how that turned out.

i've read a bunch of naruto betrayed fanfic where even tsunade and jiraya and sometimes in minato and kushina betraying him

Ah yes, those fics...

I really can't stand that revenge fulfillment/power fantasy garbage since it requires everyone to be grossly out of character and expects us to root for Naruto when he becomes a psychopathic PoS that puts Orochimaru to shame.  Oh, and Hinata is always naturally immune because "she always had Naruto's back.", even when she hid in the shadows and did nothing as he was "abused".

Nah, his self-insert has always been Naruto. He freely admits that Naruto's personality - and even his life experiences - are based on himself.  Sasuke, OTOH, was based upon on his twin, Seishi. Furthermore, he has made it empathically clear that he *hates* both SS and NH. He even stated that Sasuke and Sakura would likely divorce in the future, if he had his way. Never mind the fact that he's the one that heavily suggested in the Boruto Gaiden that Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's love child. And what's probably pertinent to point out is that if Sasuke was his alter-ego, his wife wouldn't have been so pissed at him for shipping Naruto with Hinata, instead of the character that was based directly on herself.  So, unless he and his wife's marital situation is far worse than we initially thought, the idea of Sasuke being his self-insert doesn't make any lick of sense. 

And as for the Hinata replacing Sakura statement, This was in one of the past interviews mentioned where he was being sardonic when he heard about Hinata's favoritism, then proceeded to say that he would just write Sakura with more spirit to increase her appeal to the fan audiences.  

It also pisses me off because all it did was make Sakura seem like she was USING Naruto to get what she wanted, ruining her in the process while doing the same to Naruto and his empathy!

And the fact that Naruto doesn't even deny it makes it worse. Especially when you recall that the *real* reason Sakura and Ino fought over Sasuke was a pretext so that Sakura could be included within a group among her peers and avoid being ostracized over her forehead.

Thanks for that, I must have forgotten about the last part of that interview. However, it seems like he said he thinks it would lead to tension in the house, but it was fine for the time being. In either case, I take his interviews even less seriously than the manga ending. There was that other interview, where the guy next to him said his favourite character was Hinata, and Kishis reply was you like big bosomed girls? Barf.
 

As he said in the interview, it nearly caused a rift in his own household when he made Hinata Naruto's wife because his wife was deeply upset and was constantly arguing with him about it. It isn't implied that he feared it as a possibility of happening, It literally was occurring at the moment.  As for his comment about Hinata, while sexist, it emphasized once again how little he thought of her compared to her godforsaken fanbase because he has openly stated in past interviews that he doesn't understand her appeal.  In his mind, she served her purpose after the Chunin exams, and her moment against Pain (which was expanded and recontextualized in the anime by her SP fanboys to make her seem more cool and sympathetic as a character than she actually was) was her final hurrah.   Whenever he talked about Hinata, it seemed to range from dismissive to almost mockingly contemptuous.