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I still don't see him having amnesia working for part the beginning to part 2 because you will have to take an amount of time to explain all that. Given how part 1 we see him leaving with jiriaya to train then returns in part 2 after he has trained, its going to be like what the heck he has amnesia now for the audience to the audience and it will look stupid.

The only way I can see an amnesia story working of something happened at the end of a battle in one part of the story and skip a few years later and the character has a new identity and has to remember his old one over time, like Tokyo Ghoul

I feel more convinced then ever that nh and ss was not what kishimoto wanted after that minato one shot spoilers

I think the problem is that is that the narusaku and obirin parallels weren't really shown during the big obito fight, heck sakura only interacts with obito after he has reformed.

I think it would feel more impactful if obito notices the similarities between naruto and sakura to him and rin. Which could result in obito targeting sakura to try and break naruto, like what happened to him. Then when obito is reformed and interacting with sakura he can bring up the rin parallels with her and talk about how important she is to naruto.

I would probably also make obito situation more sympathic is it turns out the leaf village had abondoned her to the mist thinking it wasn't worth saving her and only kakashi di so because of his promise to him.

While also having that the leaf did know she became a time bomb when becoming the three tails jinjuriki planned on killing her. With obito learning all this information decides that the leaf village are worse than scum in his beliefs turns against them.

Sasuke in many ways feels like something that should of been a side plot, became the main plot

"Anti-wokeness" is just normal people saying the madness needs to come to an end. Parents not wanting drag queens teaching their kids in school is not "extreme." Parents not wanting sexuality shoved down the throats of their young children is not "extreme." White people being proud that they are white is not "extreme." Americans loving their country and having pride in it is not "extreme." From what I've seen, "right-wing extremism" is anybody who doesn't agree with the left, and it's uniting a lot of people against the left regardless of cultural or religious differences. 
 
You keep brining up the midterms. Alright. Let's look at Florida, what is possibly the most anti-woke state in the country thanks to Ron Desantis. Ron won in a landslide where his competitor didn't even come close to winning. Why? I have a pretty strong bet it has to do with mail in ballots. Florida banned those, as did many other states. Otherwise, I'm sure Ron wouldn't have won his election. Let's remove mail in ballots and we'll see how true a lot of these races were. Because most places Republicans won were places that banned mail in ballots, whereas Democrats just magically got victories out of their asses. And if woke policies really worked, people wouldn't be fleeing leftist cities to Republican towns in Republican states.
 
As for international instances, Italy is a prime example of wokeness becoming a very unwelcome topic.
 
You say feminism hasn't gone to the extreme? Then you clearly don't spend much time on YouTube or TikTok where that's most of what my feed is. Women demanding these ridiculous standards that show just how out of touch with reality they actually are. Women that show they were probably never told the word "no" a day in their lives. Women that will happily body shame a man, then kitten and scream the second a man does the same to them. All you have to do is watch people like these to see I'm not far from the truth. Not to mention Andrew Tate and Jordon Peterson who speak out on this stuff quite a lot.
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As for your rant about Conservative men, you couldn't be further from the truth. Conservatives don't care if their wife works or not. Some women prefer the stay-at-home mom life while others don't. It's whatever floats your boat in most cases. If the woman wants to work, then fine. But her income won't be something that's towards the front of his mind, IF it's ever there to begin with. You'll occasionally get the kitten who treats women bad, but that goes for both parties, and it's more often than not what women go for most of the time. 
 
Feminism will die out because of abortions. So, please. Go ahead. Keep killing your younger generations while Conservatives continue to reproduce because they don't view abortions favorably unless under very dire circumstances. Conservatives already have the advantage when it comes to this because they're reproducing at a far higher rate than liberals and their fertility rate is higher. Turns out when your party supports gays, trans, and abortions, your population somehow tends to decline. Who would've thought?

 
Oh please a lot of what you discribe as being anti woke I have seen conservatives take to such extremes, they ban anything even remotely to topics of lgbt+ or race. Going all authoritarian about it the way they acuse on the left, only to throw a hissey fit when their own rules are used against them when the bible gets banned from a school.

https://youtu.be/hSuZPjizKoE
https://youtu.be/J6ar4iyDUu4

Oh yes Ron Desantis the so called canidate who was supposed to beat trump for the nomination is now losing badly against him. Who has little substance and only stands for anything anti woke, that he gets into a pointless war with Disney and goes so extreme with anti wokeness that even some republicans think he goes to far when it damages florida and drives too many migrants and dlfarm workers away from the state. Heck I have seen trump recently mock him for going on about woke woke woke.

So he and other republicans did voter suppression in order to win. There is nothing wrong with having your vote sent by mail, every democratic country does it. Heck I am a postal voter in the UK, which conservatives tend to do well because alot of they elderly voters post by mail. There is no conspiracy behind postal voting rigging elections, just Democrats being so good at campaigning to get their voters to cast their ballots by mail incase they can't in person. If Republicans actually told their voters to do the same, they might do better.

Italy political is one of the most unstable countries in Europe and the world having about 68 different governments since after WW2, with most barely lasting over a year. I wouldn't be surprised if that will happen to this current and collapses in a year or 2.

I'm on YouTube all the time and have seen plenty of videos recommended being all anti woke or against feminism. I even see comments all the time on this or conservatives commenting on news videos that goes against their beliefs or narratives. 

Andrew Tate is literally the worst example you could use right now given his ongoing investigation of human trafficking.
https://youtu.be/m1O0DiiMlR0

Could of folded me with your conservative men looking for traditional women quote. Plus conservatives like Andrew Tate that you respect have stated women "belong in the home", "can't drive", and are a "man's property". If women want to be stay-at-home mothers that's there choice I hold nothing against it, but frankly I have seen certain ultra right wing conservative get upset when they don't choice that, along not having kids or having abortions.

Abortions aren't killing feminism or being the main cause for decline in populations, developed countries all over the world are having populations decline due to things like rapid develoment since the industrial revolution with morden day tech, the ecomic climate makes it too expensive to have children and causes they have made themselves like China's one child policy and Russia invasion of ukraine.

I have seen many of the consertives politicians take extreme measures against abortions that some want to ban it entirely regardless of the circumstances or reasons, it one of the main reasons Democrats won so many seats than execpted and prevented a red wavevin the mid terms.

Also I doubt liberal demographics are getting smaller, given how every presidential election execpt 2004 the Democrats have won the popular vote every time in the 21st century. Plus more young people in the country tend to learn more to the Democrats or at least anti Republican.

Just more proof "Commifornia" needs to be cut off from the rest of the country. This makes my blood boil! 
 
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Yeah I doubt california will ever leave or be removed from the usa same with other states. I don't see anything wrong with what he is proposing, though I doubt it's going to pass.

I pretty sure the focus on Asia's return will be on yuno and noelle, as those are the 2 characters that have mostly be affected by asta in a positive way. Maybe yami since he is the mentor though I execpt more comedic reaction from him

I don't see how this thread is suited to have on the genreal topic of woke to be honest and should probably be on the political thread or on a thread generally abouts films if it's in relation. Unless you want to discuss the topic on any possibilty about naruto being woke, which I doubt since naruto ended before topics about that became so heated on the Internet.

Especially naruto's female cast, which is generally considered to be portrayed badly and in some cases sextet. Heck you can see this on naruto series Wikipedia page and sakura's by critic Yukari Fujimoto

Sakura's page:
Critic Yukari Fujimoto says that Sakura is an example of Naruto showing a conservative view of women. Ino, Sakura and Hinata place priority on love, treating it as more important than excelling as a ninja. Fujimoto states that during the ninja examinations, Sakura's climactic fight with Ino, her love rival, is conducted on a purely physical level, contrasting this level of skill with the supernatural abilities displayed by her male classmates at this point. When the medical ninja Tsunade is introduced, Sakura takes on a daughter-like role, learning to heal others from Tsunade's teaching, which Fujimoto regards as reinforcing a conservative idea of women — that women do not belong on the battlefield as warriors, only as nurses.[75]

Naruto series page theme section:
Fujimoto argues that the story has overly traditional gender roles, noting "[...] its representations suggest that men are men and women are women and that they differ naturally regarding aptitude and vocation". For example, the girls initially outperform the boys in the Ninja Academy, but "once the boys get serious, the girls cannot keep pace". Fujimoto points out that this does not upset Sakura, who is now surpassed by Naruto. Character development based on female roles, when it does occur, again uses stereotypical roles: Tsunade, for example, a middle-aged woman with large breasts, is a clear mother figure, and when she teaches Sakura to be a medical ninja, which requires special skills possessed only by women, the story reinforces the idea that women only belong on the battlefield as healers. Tsunade herself, who is a figure of authority in Naruto, is portrayed as ridiculous in a way that men in the same position are not. Fujimoto suggests this presentation of women may explain why the female characters are often the most disliked characters among readers of the manga.[234]

Frankly I find the word woke has lost all meaning and cringe whenever it's used. I remember when the trailers of Mario came out the anti woke crowd was saying the movie was a super woke feminist movies because of how princess peach was portrayed in the trailers, only to heal turn when the movie did well and tried to say it was anti woke when it was probably nether.

I doubt superhero movies are dead and are more just nor as popular as they use to be, mostly because for many the mcu has gotten stake and doesn't feel is has a sense of direction with this multiversial saga. Plus you still have good films coming out like Gaurdians of the Galaxy volume 3 and across the spiderverse.

I haven't seen the life action little mermaid so I can't comment on its quality, though I say it's a bit too soon to it's a financial failure as its still out in cinemas currently on 370 million when I last checked on the box office. Given how it's budget is 250 million it probably needs to make less than 500 million to actually be considered flop.

As for elementals no idea if it will flop or not, currently it's expected to get 40 million on its opening weekend, if it gets less than that maybe it will. For indiana Jones possibly since is its one of the most expensive films ever made with a budget of 300 million and it got mixed reviews from critics. Though we will have to see when it comes out.

For investment in Japan media, I say its mostly the game side of things rather than anime that are currently bring invested, heck I hear illumination have gotten the rights to do a zelda film. https://twitter.com/...MoAHt1q4uQ&s=19

Anime just not yet, though maybe something like the live action one piece film will change things if its good.

Though ideally not have them defend sasusaku

Noelle is probably the best female protagonist in the standard shonen series

 

 

I don't know the One Piece poll rules. Naruto in the WorldWide is more popular than OP.

One Piece is only strong in Japan.

But probably the Naruto poll had a tons of bots, fake votes and duplicates IP.

They tallied the votes during three months just to remove bots and fakes.

If bots and fakes votes are allowed certainly Naruto poll would have much more than 10.000.000 votes. A  spin off with Dinos but with Sasuke/Sakura   got  more than 18.000.000 views  in the Jump app.

 

 

 

 

Kishimoto's ideas was just the character's design, Tsukyomi and inverted personalities.  The Movie plot and NS fanservices most likely were Pierrot and Yuuka ideas. (Yuka Miyata was the roteirist and she was a NS fan).

Kishimoto had no time for the movie when he was writing the manga weekly.

Honestly they never should use in marketing one of the most popular pairings and the most popular deuteragonist/character at the time. They pratically trolled the entire Sasuke/SS fandom with this false advertisement and the Hinata/NH fanboys from the west. Just look at this:

 

 

Road to Ninja

 

 

 

 

 

Road to Ninja

 

 

 

 

 

 

God Charasuke was so popular that even today, he is still receiving merch.

They mades looks like Sasuke/SS/Classic Team 7 were important in this movie when in the reality Sasuke has less than 2 minutes of screentime. Hinata/NH fans were baited too.

 

They should used Naruto carrying Sakura in the marketing if they are trying to boost NaruSaku. Why they were afraid to use that?To use this type of bait they were fully aware of Sasuke/SS popularity and tried to use them in the movie. Sakura was always blushing or close to Sasuke in these merchs too.

Obvious this will result in a massive backlash. This is as bad as The Last false adversetiment. So maybe this is another reason who influenced Kishimoto's decision to SS/NH.

 

 

This type of scene helped to bring even more hate to Sakura. Haters have a huge argument to hate even more Sakura.

This is worst than Chapter 3 Sakura or the Fake Confession.  Luckly this was a movie

 

 

I'm not a fan of RTN because that. The only good movies was the first one if you ignore the SS fanservices and Boruto Movie.

 

 

Given how they are both done by jump they would have the same rules apply, heck I remember the voting system was similar to the vote a day that naruto poll used for the few times I did it. so those 12 million votes are legitimate, don't try to use bots just to make naruto more popular otherwise you are just giving proof to the sakura haters right on that poll being rigged. 

 

Like Bail of lies said naruto at when it was ongoing was more popular intentionally, however due to its ending and spin off materiel it gone in decline, while One piece has gotten way more popular in recenty years as people checked out and found it's quality to be consistent than naruto's. Heck one piece still sold more than naruto back when both were ongoing due to how popular one piece was domestically, especially during the hype of marineford arc and the final saga appears to draw much interest similar to marineford.

I don't know all the details of this Jump app and how it handles these views, though from what I have seen from the tweet of jigokuraku saying on the app it's got 200.000.00 views, which is alot more impressive than the 18.000.000 views you say retsuden has.

https://twitter.com/...496985010401281

 

Where did you get that info about Road to Ninja from TV Trope? if so you do relaise that that site is full of hinata fans who always put stuff that bashes sakura and narusaku and always put them in the worst light and always hyping up hinata and nh. The marekting was pretty obvious that Sasuke being a playboy was very likely to flirt with other girls given the road to charasuke audio drama that came out around the promotion of the fim and they even showed the clip of sasuke flirting with the girls in one of the many promos they had for the film.

 

Heck the yundere hinata marketing was clear that naruto was uncomfortable with how aggressive hinata was, like in the road to ninja one shot tie in cover. It should have been obvious that Narusaku was going to be the main focus when both were sent to the genjutsu world and marketed as the two main characters along with minato and kushina. Heck the most anger I saw was from the misleading advertising about how involved the opposite k11 was going to be in the film. Otherwise I didn't see anyone really hate this film except die hard shippers of NH and ss.

 

First of all the movie for sakura was pretty much retelling sakura's entrie character arc in the series, with that scene showing sakura at the beginning of part 1 not understanding what it's like to have parents when she is getting mad at her own for embarrassing her. By the the time she experince what its like to not have them she starts to understand how naruto feels and even considered willing to stay to let naruto stay in this world to enjoy finally spending time with his. Plus once she is back she apologises to her parents afterwards and her and naruto remain cool with each other. Also this movie isn't canon heck it clearly contradicts the timeline of stuff knowing like his parents and Bee, so fans shouldn't be using it as an excuse to base sakura.

 

Frankly I think you're just trying to find reasons to dismiss this movie. In regeards to the first movie sakura was more busy being infatuated with the famous actors in the inverse movie, than she was flirting at all with sasuke. I find the boruto movie to be overrated as it shows naruto being a neglectful father when he could easily spend time with his kids and have shadow clones due the work, instead of the other way around. Plus the villains are bland and only good for a few action pieces. 

 

 
The own Sakura fandom were deeply splited between SS x NS wars at the time with SS fans being extremely vocal against NS. This helped Kishimoto/Editors didn't notice Sakura's popularity especially in Japan.   Hinata fanboys still were hating on Sakura in west because she was threat to NH. The manga ended. SS fans got what they always wanted and were free to 100% support Sakura. NS fans left or started to multiship SS. So Sakura fandom grown bigger and stronger as ever...
 
Most of the Haters simply moved on. Sakura wasn't a threat to NH anymore. No more reasons for Pairing wars. Sakura isn't useless or weak, she isn't punching Naruto every time, has a good daughter, is a  good mother etc...
So no surprise why Sakura's popularity boomed after the ending.
Kishimoto should have defined Sakura final pairing at the very beginning: Sasuke or Naruto and never use Sakura to play with love triangles or drama.  If Kishimoto/Pierrot didn't trapped Sakura in this ridiculous love triangle with SS x NS x NH or erase Kage Summit arc. She would be much more popular at the time.
 
 
Sakura/SS/Sasuke are a controversial characters and Pairing. This helped to maintain Sakura fandom always alive  with discussions against haters, theory, fics, fanarts etc. There's nothing to talk or any appeal in Hinata or NH. So this fandom simply died even in the west. 
Until a Boruto or Part 3 reboot comes. They simply  will produce  more novels and spin offs with Sakura/Sasuke to milk their fans. Sasuke always was a popular character  and now Sakura is at his popularity level and coincidentally is his wife. So she is the perfect partner for more romances or spin offs. Shoujo mangakas are pratically begging  this to Kishimoto...

I wouldn't exactly call the fandom getting bigger if half the fans have left, it just means that the fanbase has shurken so small that ss looks bigger than its use to.

I find her parenting and her daughter to be overrated. Sadara is only like because of one volume from gaiden, she hasn't done much after that execpt in boruto filler from what I have seen. Also it's pretty problematic when sakura couldn't tell her daughter anything about her father to the point she wondered if she sakura was really her mother.

I think it was pretty by the end of part 1 and the beginning of part that narusaku was the endgame, but the fans just didn't want to see it or went all nh.

Controversial characters and pairings won't last long term, you might have an intrest now but that doesn't mean it was last. Look at spider-man, marvel keeps doing one controversial decision after another with his love live and the fans have finally got sick off it at this current run. These sasusaku stories aren't that good and I have seen some sakura and ss fans hate retsuden,
for the way Sakura's character was portrayed. Also naruto is not a shoujo series, making it one will just alienate its shonen base.

They should of just done an open end or introduced the idea of a multiverse. Where ones universe has ns and another has ss. Heck ns could of had the main timeline as that's what the narrate was leading and ss could be in a universe where sasuke was never a jerk to sakura, that should of been what to do if they were so worried about alienating shippers.

 

 

 

 

Sakura is still considered the official franchise Heroine and Sarada the next gen heroine...Hinata is still insignificant for Jump/Manga. 

If you consider being Naruto's HouseWife with few panels and being trapped in another dimension being more important. Yeah Hinata is more important

 

 

 

I still remember this OVA. SS fans become super angry  because this NS scene is basically a copy/paste of the SasuSaku scene and Sasuke's death in the land of waves arc. NH and other people just called this filler.

 

 

Pierrot shipped NS as hard as NH. While SS was negligeted as soon Sasuke left the village.

SS/Sakura fans simply hates Pierrot.

But this didn't helped  NaruSaku too much and you can consider Sakura punching Naruto a tsundere thing. But this makes Sakura being really hated because Pierrot overfocused on that.

NS have a tons of fillers and fanservices. Part of Pierrot wanted NaruSaku.

I believe Pierrot have nothing to do with SS/NH.  This was a solo decision between Kishimoto and his Editors.

Pierrot has no power for this.

 

 

About the CPR people (SS,NH and NS) tends to forget this moment since shortly after SS gained the "eyesmex", Sakura true confession 2.0, Forehad Poke and Sarada Gaiden and NH gained The Last. The scene still was super bad in anime.

Kishimoto just treated this as a normal day in Sakura medical work and made everybody forget that. 

So why he bother to show that? Just to cause more pairing wars and troll fans a little more? 

Sakura/Kushina parallel were much more efetive than that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you read my posts?

 

Kubo's wife hates Sakura because she was in the way of SasuNaru "love", proved Sasuke isn't gay for Naruto or because she is the main girl?

So i don't think she is a incel... 

 

 

Well during the last they tried to make hinata the heroine and replace sakura and we know the results we have and its a mess.I'm not surprised they would try to dismiss the scene in the ova they always do be it canon or filler, but always highlight their own be it canon or filler.

 

Only the female staff at the time shipped Narusaku at the time, thats why you got narusaku scenes at times. Unfortunately, the majority of the male staff were hinata and NH fans, to say they didn't have a part in the ending I consider being naive. Because, their protrayal of hinata in scenes like in filler or 166 made her very popular with anime only watchers in the west, while sakura hated with the more flanderization of sakura's tsundere tropes in the anime like episode 3. Plus they were heavily involved in the last's production so I doubt they didn't try to influence kishimoto. Also I find it double standard how people make a big deal about sakura punching naruto yet completely ignore other tsundere couples who do it and even ship them.

 

No one forgot about the CPR scene, heck NH and SS made more of a big deal of it than we did trying to make all kinds of excuses for or try to say narusaku shippers were disgiusting for supporting it. Also we pretty much complained how badly Pierrot animated it, while they put much detail into hinata tripping over a rock. Also I wouldn't call this a minor scene as it paralleled kairn's attempt to save sasuke's like, with sakura's attemp to keep naruto alive while thinking how close they are to seeing his dream as hokage come life. Also given how 663 was called the real ends kinda gives hints that this is what kishimoto wanted to do. 

 

 

Boruto lost sales because  Ikemoto  who are contantly kittening on Sasuke/Naruto,the ugly draws and poor story pacing.  This has nothing to do with NaruHina. Kishimoto biggest mistake was to choose his incompetent and unknown assistent to driver the sequel. Thats why i prefer Sakura's death than NS in Ikemoto's universe. Haters would blame Sakura/NaruSaku for Boruto failure.

But Naruto is still a huge franchise who never will truly die or disappear like Stars Wars or Dragon Ball and still atracts tons of views and attention. They will use this polls datas to some future project outside Boruto.

The extremely agressive and useless Sakura in fillers was bad. But Pierrot shiped NS.
How you can explain the massive ammount of NaruSaku fillers and fanservices in openings and Endings? The NaruSaku scene in the promotional Ova? For god's sake, Pierrot put a naked Sakura drawing Naruto in a ending. This is appelative as that filler with Hinata in the waterfall. NaruSaku and NaruHina are Naruto's pairings and Pierrot wanted to make fanservices for both pairings relating to the protagonist. NS was the Plan A and NH the Plan B.   Pierrot didn't influenced in Kishimoto's decision.
Kishimoto was the one who wanted to fuel NaruHina/SasuSaku when  he made Hinata declare her love, Neji's death or insisted in Sakura's love to Sasuke.. Pierrot only made the Last when Kishimoto gave the green light relating to his final plans.  About the VAs. Chie Nakamura/noriaki sugiyama are  SS shippers and always questioned Kishimoto about SS in interviews. Sakura's english VA is a SS fangirl. I don't consider VA importants, considering the own Junko said recently Naruto loved Sakura like a potato.

Kishimoto was clear when he said some staff in pierrot wanted NaruSaku.
This isn't a fake interview like the one with Kishi saying the readers could decide who is Sarada's mother. Kishi has no reasons to lie about Pierrot.NaruSaku even received a Movie focused in Sakura and Naruto, who still wasn't enough to save Sakura's popularity. Maybe because the very own movie trashed on Sakura and fans becomed furious with the  SS/Sasuke/Team 7 fake publicity..

Kishimoto wife wasn't the fandom and doesn't have more power than his editors or the public opinion.
SS always crushed any other hetero Naruto pairing in asia and their fans are very vocal  always poor rating NS scenes, Sakura's confession to Naruto, threatening the own Kishi when he tried to troll SS fans with  Karin as Sarada's mother in Gaiden and flooding anime sites like aO3 and Pixiv with SS.. I doubt Hinata/NH were popular in japan during the original series serialization. Kishimoto himself brought hate to Sakura and destroyed NS in Kage Summit arc than pierrot ever dreammed.

I believe Kishimoto was lying too. Probably Kishimoto planned NS at the beggining of part 2.
But you have the factidic  fake confession who greatly boosted Sakura/NaruSaku hate and forced Kishimoto to change his plans. Sakura tied with the non existent Sai out of the TOP 10 at the time and still gained a massive ammount of haters in the West. This was ridiculous for a main girl. This was a cleary advice for Kishimoto didn't try NaruSaku and ignore SasuSaku/NaruHina.

So most probably Kishimoto changed his plans at the "halfway".
 

NH helped SS for sure.  Naruto was still the protagonist and his feelings were a huge obstacle to SasuSaku.

Kishimoto failed to show Naruto reciprocating Hinata's feelings before SS. So Hinata still looks like a Silver Medal. Hinatards and Naruto Fanboys wanted to see Naruto rejecting Sakura and show how Hinata was better than her.  This never happened. Sasuke come first and stole Sakura with the sacred forehead poke,Sakura wanted to leave the village with him and Naruto had to fall in love to Hinata in a movie inside a Genjutsu because Kishimoto didn't bother to show NH in manga.

 

At least half of the SS fandom were opportunists and supported NH only to remove Naruto out of the equation.

They were so emotionally invested with SS and absolutely couldn't accept NS after part 1. It's a matter of pride for SS fans.  They didn't care to support Sakura after 469 because supportting Sakura at that moment means helping NaruSaku and showing to Kishimoto he was right to try the NaruSaku route. Basically only NS fans liked Sakura at the time.  As soon SasuSaku become canon these fans simply throwed NH into the trash to support 100% SS and Sakura.

 

Kishimoto made NH to turn Hinata even more popular and boost Hinata/Naruto popularity  for the sequel and SasuSaku to save some Sakura popularity between SS fans and produce a  new Uchiha. NH/Hinata had a loud Fanbase in the west and the Last was their plan to make NH gain  popularity in Japan for the sequel.

But Kishimoto certainly didn't planned of how Sakura/SS would massively increase their popularity at the point to become the  franchise main Couple and Sakura the most popular living Character both in Japan and West, while the byakugan princess/NH basically died after canon with Ikemoto's/The last incompetence. Hinata only had a illusiory and fleeting popularity thanks to the Sakura's bad writting at the time and some vocal fans who wanted NaruHina. They got what they wanted and nobody wants to know about Hinata anymore.

A absolute ironic and hilarious twist of events considering SS was the  throw away ship...

 

 

While yes Ikemoto writing and drawing is mostly what's responsible for the boruto's series losses and overall franchises decline, NH is still played into it given how that ship was made canon they way it did to help make a potential spin off like boruto. The series was based on the foundations on what came before. It's like how many of the bad story telling for spider-man in the comics came from the foundations on what the infamous one more story line did to try and reset the character to marvel's editorials liking. 

 

While naruto might never really die as a franchise doesn't mean it isn't in decline, heck the naruto world wide poll 4.6 million votes is only a third of the One Piece Piece's 12 million. It was a self inflicted wound it's still paying the price for. Like I said above only the female staff shipped narusaku, the male staff shipped nh that's why there was so much filler with her when they really shouldn't have been doing so. Also pretty sure kishimoto thought the hinata confession was no big deal, given how there was never a follow-up and he had no idea why she was popular. 

 

Yeah I don't find any interviews with va's about the ships being planned as reliable, I doubt any them  would say otherwise and just doing damage control like many of kishimoto's interviews post ending. It's like when Mark Hamill used to say how he fundamentally disagree with what Rian Johnson did with his character but doesn't say anything now, because studios don't want their actors trashing ongoing projects and works as it's bad pr which can be used against them, Also from what I heard from Lukcyhi while sakura's english voice actor originally shipped ss, she grew to like ns over time and put more passion into her role when doing scenes involving them and didn't put much effort into the last, though ask him if you want more details. Also Junko was very much a big narusaku supporter and that recent interview is more likely to be damage control as I doubt she can trash talk the current pairings that are canon.

 

The Road to ninja idea came from kishimoto, as he said he got to do stuff that he didn't get to do in the manga which was sakura's parents. That movie didn't trash on sakura, the only ones that got saulty were ss and nh fans and frankly the marketing made it pretty obvious that sasuke was a playboy in the film, heck mema the evil naruto twist was shown in the promo's. People were much more angry at the false advertising of the last being a team 7 movie when kakashi and sasuke appeared very little in the film.

 

His wife is who sakura is based off, same with kushina. Heck he went to her for advice when writing naruto's family in the last aerc before the war. She may not be the fandom or editors, but her reaction says a lot about the ending and canon couples. Like I said before many in japan excepted ns to be canon, even some ss fans. Just because and fanbase acts vocal and threatening doesn't mean you should listen to what they say, episodically if they are a shipping fandom with a ship that is written as problematic as ss was. I don't care how bad they reacted to the confession, what sasuke did was way worse to sakura.

 

I'm convinced he had it planned from the beginning not just part 2, he shouldn't just change just based on some fan reaction because the reaction to ss becoming canon was alot more negative. That was just one fricking poll he should judge every decision on that, this is why I find the popularity polls being being problematic in influencing how a story goes. AT best it was around before when neji died that kishimoto changed his mind. 

Most NH fans didn't care how NH became canon as long as it did, same with ss fans. They don't care if it took a movie  to make them canonm and I doubt ss fans would if it was the case with them. They were as bad as eachother ignored the problematic aspects of their ships development and how they both got together. When that was done they turned on eachother, which frankly shows how unstable becoming these two pairing canon when the only thing uniting their fandoms was hating narusaku.

I don't care how emotionally invest ss fans were in the ship, they should have the self respect to realize that after the kage summit arc they ship had become very toxic to become canon after sasuke trying to kill her the way he did wouldn't be good for her character. If they want to enjoy it do it in fanon or hope for a multiverse where sasuke isn't a jerk to sakura. As a result of not supporting sakura at the expense of making sure ns didn't become canon had her role in the story reduced and damge the reputation of her character and fandom.

 

Yeah we knew that they made NH canon because they thought that since they were apparently popular in the west, though they didn't realize that most of them didn't actually fiance the series that well due to being able to read and watch stuff online and just alienated their domestic base in Japan. While yes Sakura has shown to be a lot more popular in recent than kishimoto realized, the damage has been done to her character by many outside the ss fandom. Yes they have gotten bigger than nh in recent years, but that is mostly due to the overall fanbase of naruto in decline and that new sakura fans just ship ss because its canon. If Narusaku was canon they would probably have shipped them, that what happens with long term series new fans tend to ship or accept what came before without much question. Plus frankly the Naruto franchise would probably be more stable in the long term if NH and SS  canon because their shipping drama help cause quite alot of damage for the franchise.

She was always popular she had louder haters at the time, the the fanom how shrunk since the ending so most aren't around anymore

Kishimoto did with Obito/Rin what he should have done with  NaruSaku but  without the psycho and stalker Naruto.

Rin feelings to Kakashi never were important.
Kakashi tried to push Rin to Obito.
Rin ins't agressive and supported Obito since childhood.
Obito's feelings to rin was 99% of his character.
Obito was obcessive with Rin.
Obito didn't have a Hinata.

But he did the exact opposite to NaruSaku.
He focused too much in Sakura's feelings to Sasuke and scenes between them in a point to create a massive fanatical pairing fandom. So most of the Sakura's fans and girls simpatized much more with Sakura and rooted for SasuSaku instead Naruto and NaruSaku. Sasuke is  popular and  a complex character. So most of the Sasuke's fangirls will root for him instead Naruto too.
Not to mention the entire Naruto fanboys who  wants Naruto with the cute girl who idolizes him instead of the aggressive insensitive kitten who loves his arch nemesis. Sakura Fangirls and Naruto fanboys are practically natural enemies. Only NaruSaku fans loves both characters or in some cases not.

Kakashi never pushed obito to rin he just told her he was in love with her while he was the type of scum that was going to abandon her when she was about to confess.

Not mention obito's motivation of it all being about rin was controversial within the fandom at the time the series was ongoing. Its why many ended up preferring madara as the final boss

They is nothing wrong with sakura disliking naruto at first and coming to loving him later. It's typical for a standard love triangle where a boy likes a girl, but the girls like another boy however the guy she likes has no intrest in her and evently the girl ends up liking the boy who likes her in turn. Like it happens in percy jackson or from my understanding slam dunk which the love triangle from naruto is based on.

It should of been been obvious, execpt many shippers where obsessed with the good girl save the bad boy trope and refused to admit it crossed a line in the kage summit arc.

 
I don't remember NS fan being considered a golden pairing. I don't know Japan situation. But SS fandom always was the most popular hetero pairing and we already know what the fake confession made to NaruSaku there.

Sakura fans from SS or NS side always have a hard time in neutral foruns and social medias.
But NS fans always suffered much more hate than SS fans.
Because most of the self inserts hated how Sakura punched and treated Naruto. The  Sakura's fan from SS side hated NS and you still have the Hinata/NH fans who sided with them...

If i remember correctly this forum was created because NaruSaku fans didn't have chance and peace in Naruto Forums against SS/NH and other fans.

Narusaku was heavily marketed in Japan, like this nurse taking care of naruto poster https://www.fanpop.c...naruxsaku-photo

There was also the special ending of 17 when the earthquake happened in 2011 https://youtu.be/Ui_hUI7Xvl4

Plus the naruto vs sasuke ova with narusaku moments https://youtu.be/nk5hIL8_HTQ.

Even if ss was the more popular hetero couple to ship, I hear many of them execpted narusaku to be canon. So I doubt the confession affected the fandom there, heck I heard how excited the cpr scene was treated there.

Those self interest don't etheir seem to know or ignore that it's a tsundere troop very common in Japan anime. Heck there are far more bigger cases than sakura doing it.

Yes they did and by doing so paid the price with a reduced role for sakura who is only now has major appearances in spin offs now and then. Yes this site was considered a safe haven for some, bit other still debated on the forms.