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Bumping this thread.   Nostradamus love your posts!

 

Yeah, she said I love you and he reponded with an indirect "I hate you." Obito gets called a "cool guy" and he can't even muster up an honest thank you for Sakura? 

 

It was the only time Naruto uttered strong words of disapproval toward anyone in the manga — anyone out of all the serial killers and crazies he's come across — and it was towards Sakura, after she'd confessed her love and begged him to return home.

 

People still get hung up on the idea that Sakura was lying and manipulating. But Naruto was an ass, plain and simple. In her face, in front of their friends and teachers. It's the strongest statement of dislike he's ever made. 

 

And now, looking back, we should have seen this crap ending coming. Kishimoto was right! He really doesn't know how to write romance!

This goes with Kishimoto's stupid rules he forced on his own characters.

• Naruto can't become Hokage until he brings back Sasuke.
• Naruto can't admit his feelings toward Sakura until he brings back Sasuke.
• Sakura is not allowed to move on until Naruto brings back Sasuke.
• Naruto/Sasuke conflict can only be resolved in the last chapters/end
• Parings left for the end. Not letting characters progress for sole reason of baiting fans.

Characters become stagnant. Unable to have character progression. The "rules" I listed basically create a vicious hellish loop circle. As such I would say imo Naruto and Sakura's characters suffered the most. It's why in your post we have ooc Naruto. Naruto was turned obsessive and controlling towards Sakura post Pein arc. He wrote in his own mind what he thinks Sakura is feeling, wants etc. That no matter what Sakura does/say, if it goes against his opinion of her. He would label it false etc.

If we knew what was coming we would have seen this ooc horrible/disgusting writing much sooner. But we were tricked with crumbs and false hopes. Looking back. Naruto truly become 100% different manga post Pein arc.

Change the scenario. If Sakura admitted she loves Naruto in any other time. Before or after the "confession". Does anybody really thinks Naruto would be happy, elated? You know Kishi would have Naruto still be a massive jerk because Kishi wanted to milk the parings fans. And that's why those self imposed rules he forced on his characters led to utter ruin.

To add upon my points:

The rules imposed by Kishimoto on his own characters indeed had a significant impact on their progression and created a repetitive cycle that hindered their development. Naruto can't become Hokage until he brings back Sasuke. This restriction limits Naruto's personal growth and his ability to fulfill his aspirations. It puts an unnecessary condition on his path to becoming Hokage, making his journey feel somewhat predetermined and rigid. By breaking free from this constraint, Naruto could have focused on his own growth as a leader and a shinobi, rather than constantly revolving around Sasuke's return.

Similarly, Naruto's inability to admit his feelings toward Sakura until he brings back Sasuke restricts the potential for emotional growth and deeper relationships. It implies that Naruto's emotions are solely tied to his mission of bringing Sasuke back, which undermines his character's complexity and emotional depth. Allowing Naruto to explore and express his feelings for Sakura independently would have given him the opportunity to mature emotionally and develop more authentic relationships.

Sakura's situation is also affected by these rules, as she is not allowed to move on until Naruto brings back Sasuke. This limitation places Sakura's personal growth on hold, forcing her to remain fixated on a specific outcome. It prevents her from exploring her own desires, ambitions, and potential romantic relationships outside of the Naruto-Sasuke dynamic. This restriction stunts her character development and perpetuates a sense of dependency on the actions of others, rather than empowering her to forge her own path.

The conflict between Naruto and Sasuke being resolved only in the last chapters or at the end further contributes to the stagnation of their characters. While their rivalry is an essential aspect of the story, confining its resolution to the very end creates a prolonged sense of repetition and delays their personal growth. Allowing their conflict to evolve and find resolution throughout the narrative would have provided a more dynamic and satisfying character development arc for both Naruto and Sasuke.

Lastly, the decision to reserve pairings for the end of the story, rather than allowing characters to progress naturally, can be seen as a tactic to manipulate and bait fans. By stringing along readers with false hopes and crumbs of potential romantic developments, it creates an artificial sense of tension and prolongs the resolution of relationships. This approach hinders the organic growth of characters and can lead to disappointing outcomes for those invested in specific pairings.

Overall, these self-imposed rules imposed by Kishimoto hindered the character progression of Naruto, Sakura, and other characters, limiting their growth, emotional development, and dynamic relationships. By breaking free from these constraints, the narrative could have offered a more authentic and satisfying journey for the characters, avoiding the negative consequences that resulted from these rules.

Imagine scenario where Kishi did the points I listed above? The dude would have been international star.

 let me add a bit to this i see the NS family as full of love and affection and very playful until its time to be serious than the gloves come off so to speak, Also the kids would be pranksters but not as a need to seek attention but a need to prove themselves,  Awww but mom dad once painted the 5 faces of hokage monument we had to one up him with all 7que exapserated sigh and nostalgic smile

I wrote a short oneshoot of how I imagine the second part of last chapter would be when they show the characters in the future. I focused only on NaruSaku family.

Naruto sat at his desk, stacks of paperwork piled high in front of him. His office was adorned with various mementos and pictures of his family, bringing a warm smile to his face as he worked. The sun streamed through the window, casting a gentle glow over the room.

With a sigh, Naruto reached for his quill, ready to tackle the tedious task at hand. But just as he was about to dip it in ink. A grin played on his lips as an idea formed in his mind. "Shadow clones," he thought. "I can use them to finish this paperwork in no time and spend some quality time with my family."

With a swift hand seal, Naruto dispersed a couple of clones, each taking a portion of the paperwork with them. He chuckled to himself, imagining Tsunade's exasperated reaction when she found out.

As the clones busily worked away, Naruto's thoughts drifted to Sakura, his loving wife. Even after all these years, he still felt that same rush of affection whenever he looked at her. Her vibrant personality and unwavering support had been the foundation of their relationship.

His mind then turned to their children. Shinachiku, a lively and spirited young boy, showed immense potential as a shinobi, just like his father. Hanami, their little flower, possessed a gentle nature that melted Naruto's heart. Together, their mischievous pranks brought immense joy and laughter to their family.

Naruto wiped away a tear of happiness, grateful for the life he had built. The laughter and love that filled his home were the true rewards of his journey.

With the paperwork now taken care of by his clones, Naruto leaned back in his chair, a sense of contentment washing over him. He couldn't wait to join Sakura and their children, ready to create more cherished memories together. Naruto whispered to himself, "I am truly blessed."

Naruto's eyes widened in surprise as Iruka burst into his office, gasping for breath. The urgency in his voice was evident as he delivered the news about his children's mischievous escapade.

Without uttering a word, Naruto's mind raced, analyzing the situation unfolding on the Hokage mountain. He walked towards the window, his gaze fixated on the painted faces. As he observed Shinachiku and Hanami gleefully splashing paint, a hint of amusement tugged at the corners of Naruto's mouth.

But then a critical expression crossed his face, and he realized that they were not defacing the mountain entirely. They were missing a crucial detail. Naruto suppressed a smirk, masking his amusement behind a serious facade.

Turning to Iruka, Naruto spoke in a firm tone, determination shining in his eyes. "I appreciate you informing me, Iruka-sensei. I will take care of it."

Before Iruka could respond, Naruto swiftly leaped through the window, traversing the village rooftops towards the Hokage mountain. His movements were swift and graceful, reminiscent of his days as a renowned shinobi.

As he reached the mountain, Naruto landed with precision, his gaze fixed on his mischievous children. Shinachiku and Hanami paused in their playful endeavors, surprised by their father's sudden arrival.

Naruto approached them, his expression a mixture of seriousness and warmth. "Hey, you two," he called out, his voice carrying a stern yet gentle tone. "What do you think you're doing?"

Shinachiku and Hanami exchanged nervous glances, realizing they had been caught in the act. Naruto's eyes softened as he crouched down to their level, a hint of mischief glimmering in his eyes.

"You know," Naruto began, a mischievous grin forming on his face, "if you're going to paint the Hokage faces, you have to do it properly. Let me show you how it's done."

With a playful wink, Naruto grabbed a paintbrush and joined his children, guiding them to add intricate details and vibrant colors to the faces on the mountain. Together, they transformed the defacement into a beautiful mural, honoring the legacy of the Hokage.

Iruka remained in the office, taking a moment to catch his breath and allow his tired muscles to rest. He couldn't help but chuckle at the situation he had just witnessed. Naruto's children, it seemed, had inherited their father's mischievous nature. He fondly remembered the days when Naruto himself was a prankster, causing all sorts of trouble around the village. It was a relief to see that Naruto had outgrown that phase, but now his kids were carrying on the tradition.

Lost in his thoughts, Iruka was suddenly interrupted by the presence of an ANBU squad appearing in the office. Their expressions ranged from confusion to amusement as they peered through the window at the Hokage mountain faces. Iruka's curiosity piqued, and he couldn't resist joining them to see what was happening outside.

As Iruka approached the window and looked out, his eye twitched in disbelief. There, he saw Naruto not only allowing his kids to continue their pranks but actively helping and teaching them how to improve their artistic mischief on the faces of the Hokage mountain.

Not having any other choice, Iruka and the ANBU squad made their way to the hospital in search of someone who could exert control over the mischievous Uzumaki family. They needed someone who could rein in Naruto and their children's playful antics before things got out of hand. They found themselves standing outside a familiar room, and upon entering, Sakura Uzumaki greeted them with an exasperated roll of her eyes.

"What did the idiots do now?" Sakura asked with a mixture of annoyance and amusement evident in her voice.

Iruka and the ANBU squad exchanged glances, their faces sheepish. "They are defacing the Hokage mountain faces," Iruka confessed, his tone filled with concern.

A smile tugged at the corners of Sakura's lips. She knew all too well about her husband's mischievous tendencies and the influence he had on their children. But despite it all, they were her beloved idiots, and she couldn't help but feel a sense of affection for their antics.

"Alright, I'll take care of it," Sakura replied with a determined glint in her eyes.

With a swift motion and a burst of chakra, Sakura disappeared from the hospital room, leaving Iruka and the ANBU squad in awe of her skill. They knew that when Sakura got involved, things were bound to be resolved swiftly and efficiently.

Iruka's footsteps were slow and deliberate as he made his way back to the Hokage's office. There was no rush in his stride, for he needed time to process what he had just witnessed. As he turned his gaze towards the Hokage mountain, his frustration reached its peak. He hadn't anticipated Sakura joining in on the fun.

Naruto and Sakura stood amidst the colorful chaos, their laughter filling the air. Paint splatters adorned their clothes and faces, but they couldn't care less. In that moment, they were not the Hokage and a respected medical professional. They were simply Naruto and Sakura, a couple deeply in love.

As the paint flew through the air, their eyes met, and a spark of affection passed between them. Their smiles widened, and without a second thought, they leaned in and shared a gentle kiss, sealing their love amidst the vibrant chaos surrounding them.

Their children, engrossed in their artistic endeavor, glanced over at their parents, their own mischievous grins mirroring that of Naruto and Sakura. In that moment, the Uzumaki family embraced the joy of being together, cherishing the simple pleasures of laughter and shared experiences.

One hour had passed since the chaotic episode on the Hokage mountain. The once vibrant and defaced faces of the previous Hokage were now being meticulously cleaned by the Uzumaki family. Naruto, Sakura, Shinachiku, and Hanami worked diligently, their expressions a mix of frustration and determination.

Splattered with paint and armed with brushes and rags, they scrubbed away at the colorful mess they had created.

Iruka stood nearby, overseeing the cleanup efforts. His eyes held a smug smirk, a testament to his satisfaction in seeing the Uzumaki family face the consequences of their playful recklessness.

Later that evening, the Uzumaki family sat together at their favorite ramen stand, savoring the warmth of their bowls and the comfort of each other's company. Laughter filled the air as Naruto and Sakura shared playful banter, their eyes gleaming with affection and happiness.

Shinachiku and Hanami, their faces still flushed with excitement from their earlier escapade, animatedly waved their arms, recounting the events of the day with wide grins. Their youthful energy filled the atmosphere, bringing a sense of joy and vitality to the ramen stand.

Sakura lovingly fed Naruto a mouthful of ramen, their eyes locked in a tender gaze. In that moment, the years they had spent together as a couple and as parents seemed to melt away, leaving only the purest connection between them. The hardships they had overcome, the challenges they had faced—it had all led to this moment of contentment and love.

As the Uzumaki family savored their ramen and relished in each other's presence, Teuchi, the owner of the ramen stand, closed his eyes for a brief moment. Memories flooded his mind, taking him back to the time when a young, lonely Naruto would sit at the same spot, his heart heavy with sorrow and his face marked by pain.

But now, as Teuchi opened his eyes, he beheld a different Naruto—a Naruto surrounded by love, laughter, and a family that brought him immeasurable happiness. It was a testament to Naruto's growth, resilience, and the connections he had forged throughout his journey.

A bittersweet smile graced Teuchi's lips as he observed the Uzumaki family, their joy radiating like a beacon. In that moment, he couldn't help but feel a profound sense of pride and fulfillment, knowing that he had played a small part in Naruto's life and witnessed his transformation into a person who had found love and built a family.

Question... how did you imagine a NaruSaku family be like?

I am gonna respond visually!

NaruSaku family would be happy and full of joy.

Played with ChatGPT. Here you go.

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Thought, opinions everyone?

Found this!

If Kishimoto did not know how to write female characters. He should have simple closed his eyes. Imagined he was writing the dialogue for male characters. And then add the dialogue to female design characters.

I strongly believe this would have affected people opinion of Sakura (and any other female character) for the better.

Thats what he imo should have done. And people would have loved many of his female characters.

https://twitter.com/...186646052429824

Is this true? Did Bolt got killed and Naruto forgave his sons murderer?       

It's trending on twitter.

I think it's time to post this again. lol

It's Christmas today! Merry Christmas everybody!

Apparently in one of the Light Novel Sasuke internal thoughts show he actually really respect Hinata and thinks of her as Hinata the Killer of Pein.

Hate implies he still somewhat cares. More like he is indifferent to them unless they do something to praise his name.

The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

Bold: Isn't that the way many villagers treated Naruto? Why he made a fool out of himself to draw attention. Good or bad. Did not matter to him as long as they acknowledge him in any way.

To think he treats his "family" the same way just shows how far everyone involved working on Naruto failed.
 

I don't think there will be any reboot. Here's why.

Economists use the concept of opportunity cost to explain decision-making and the potential for regret. In other words, it's the regret you anticipate having for not making a choice.

Opportunity cost is the forgone benefit that would have been derived by an option not chosen.

The metapoint of being consistent with the story (in which making NaruSaku happens was part of it) is an opportunity cost. The publisher went ahead serving the loud minority, thrown away character development of 15 years and gave the loyal fans one of the most attricious, unsatisfactory ending in manga history. Of course they paid a hefty price for it, with now Naruto sales merely 10% of the original series, or even less.

In 15 years, Naruto original manga sold ~250 million copies. Whereas Boruto barely sold ~5 million in its 7 years run.

Now, here's the thing: you can't recover opportunity cost.

No matter what they do, the ship has sailed and whatever benefits they may realize are no longer there. Course correct now would be a waste of effort.

Look at how Kishi's new manga got axed within 5 volumes. Its first volume barely sold 10k copies in the first week. He can try again and I'll guarantee he'll get the same treatment from Japanese readers. I bet you that no sane editor out there in WSJ would want to put Kishimoto's name in their project. It'd be a good recipe for project failure. It's been more than a year since Samurai 8 was cancelled and there's a good reason no rumors of Kishi starting a new work or series.

So, why bother making a reboot when they don't even treat their loyal customer right?

You are correct.

But Naruto wasn't just any manga/anime. It was in top 3 for years. And iirc #1 internationally. It's obvious fans would reject new works from Kishimoto. But Shounen Jump knows Naruto can still be milked. They know they can dangle the carrot and a lot of people will answer the bait. Simple there is to much money in Naruto to be made. Them not rebooting it in any way seams stupid. A simple market research would tell hem where they went wrong the first time. And remake it basically opposite of what we got. In the end everything depends on money.

Found the list of recommended NaruSaku fanfics.

https://docs.google....aGk9QQ_4S0/edit

And I found two fanfics that changed the ending that I plan to read.

https://www.fanficti...wer-and-Her-Sun

https://www.fanficti...the-True-Ending

You know even if NaruSaku did happen, the other stuff would still be there.

Naruto/Sakura chasing Sasuke to the ends of hell and beyond not caring about anything else. Well certainly Naruto.

Itachi/Madara/Kaguya/Obito/Zetsu would still be there with plot holes and retcons everywhere.

Side characters like Rock Lee, Ino, Choji etc would still be underused and ignored.

Neji would have still died for bs reasons.

And all the other crap that happened.

Thats bad. No lying about it. But the end we got did much worse stuff. Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke character personality's were all massacred to make that ending to justify ships. Just look at Bolt. 15 years flushed down the toilet for not even a side character, but a character that can be erased from story and nothing would change. A character that did not show up even 3% in manga. A character that has what? 30 pages of 700 chapters. It's mind boggling when you realize how atrocious that is.

So yeah if NaruSaku did happen there would still be crap left behind. But the difference is, we would still call out things like that. But NaruSaku happening would not massacre the main characters personality's. Would not retcon 15 years of storytelling. Would not butcher every character/theme/message the manga had. Would not make fans from Japan declaring that "Naruto's the biggest scumbag". We would not have those disgusting contradicting interviews etc.

NaruSaku would not ruin everything. It would have even raised the quality considering post Pain arcs. Kishimoto is no different then current nut jobs in Hollywood remaking everything into trash because they all folded like paper to small annoying twitter mob.

It's 2021 (soon to be 2022). Kishimoto is disgraced writer who nobody gives a crap anymore about. Look at his new manga getting axed because he betrayed his own home fans and lost their trust. For someone who wanted to get out of making Naruto for years. The guy is stuck writing a spinoff where everything positive he created is crapped upon. All those characters based on himself, his wife, his friends. Getting butchered left and right for a brat nobody gives crap about. And the sales/ratings are dropping down like flies. His international audience of tens of millions fans has been reduced to few fans who keep the spin of on life support. Well them and Shueisha who refuse to admit they made a mistake. Well publicly. You know they were/are eating their own pants over what happened.

Which leads to this conclusion. Just like Hollywood. You know that in 1 year or even 10 or 20 years Naruto will be rebooted. Brought back in some manner. Imo much sooner since I doubt anyone would care about Naruto that far into the future. Least of all the old fans. It's already been 7 years since Naruto ended. And everything is falling apart for Kishimoto and Bolt for Shueisha. So you can expect them remaking stuff to please the fans who left. Would people care? Sure. Many would want to see them admitting mistakes and correcting the end. I know I would. Just so I can troll current pro-enders with waving my canon ship around like a flag.

It's even more stupid when you take into the account of The Last retconing everything left and right. All this time Naruto used emotions to TNJ someone. He did not even known what emotions were. It was all food for him.