Oh yeah some of the best parts of some of the longer lasting anime is the soundtracks no doubt. I love the naruto soundtrack especially

You all are gonna jinx it

 
Alternatively, Madara won and everyone is currently trapped in the infinite tsukiyomi. Perhaps we're reviewing Hinata's dream at the moment.

If only...

@Charger76 At this point, I'm pretty sure all of she say it's a lie and she is just there to annoy and enrage people, there really is no point to her actions other than to annoy and enrage others who differ with her, she continues on arguing even when it isn't a debate thread and ask for proff and when it's given to her she says is wrong or twist the facts, so no she just want to get people banned or is an atention seeker.

I hate to think that, but as it's gone on idk anymore. Maybe not on all of that but her intended purposes. When I joined I liked the unbiased reality driven responses. I didn't always agree but I understood the thoughts. She was a NS fan that didn't hate the ending, ok that's fine. But........just so much effort on small, minute unimportant details over a long course of time. While she has every right, she combats every single little detail. It's mind boggling. She was on this site before as a guest as she said, so she knew what she kind of responses she was gonna get. No disrespect but I just don't understand the goal

@Analyzer. Honest question, no hate coming from it. Why are you on this site? You have every right to be here, you have done no bashing or hate, but I don't see what satisfaction you get from being on this site. Is it just for the debates? You oppose just about every post in any thread, which again is your view, which is fine, but like I'm honestly just not seeing what you are doing. Some comments don't have any continuation or importance to them, like mine on that parallel, but you responded with a rebuttle. Like the parallel was literally made in the manga for a purpose as a red herring as Kishi said. No other reasons. Yet you defended the NH parallel between the couples which was in-canon as not the intended purpose. As you said, parallels can't hold that much weight, but you still couldn't let NS have the parallel that was intended for them as a reason to mislead. Edit: you are corect in the fact that the focus of the parallel was more on Kushina and sakura rather than the couple themselves, although there are parallels between them as well

I guess just what are your motives for this site? Is your goal to get people to move on or "see the light"?

Also just a quick comment on the ending. You defend it and like it, that's fine your opinion. I do not, others do not as well, that is fine. I think there are other problems besides pairings (I include the war arc as part of the ending that I see flaws in). I also hate how much he pushed the misleading of NS towards the end when he should have focusing on branching off that thought to create a clearer ending like endings should have, although I figured when Neji died they wouldn't kill a character and not have them get together. Back to my point as I got off topic. Not everything is going to be liked, not everything is going to be disliked. Even low rated movies have people who enjoy them, and vice Versa with top rated movies. But aside from my opinion, I do think it shows something on how the ending went when nearly half of your fanbase disliked how it ended. You are not going to please everyone, but your goal should be to please as many as you can. The fact that a good chunk of your fanbase dislikes the ending showed there are indeed flaws within the product that you put out.

I am not a writer, I do not draw, I don't create stories, I am a business student. There are clear flaws that go outside shipping. There are flaws within the ships themselves. There have been poor business decisions within the manga/anime/outside the fact that frustrated a lot of people. Ultimately with something that plays off the opinions of others, what becomes objective is the end result. That end result was with a lot of people dissatisfied with their product. A lot pleased, but if it's 50/50 while in your opinion it is a good ending, in an overview it is controversial and cannot be classified as good from a distance. Also while I hate negativity and bashing to reach a point, the people on this site have put in a lot of time to this series throughout their life, they have a right to be frustrated at the very least. NS had the most time interacting of any two people in the entire series. We saw them interact the most out of anyone. We grew up with them, we liked the way they interacted, we saw how much they cared for each other. Then it kind of just cut off at the end.

Also I do think you have confirmatory bias to some degree, like ThroughWithLove stated. Ok, the ending happened, you are mad like a lot of people are. You go a month, you hurt a friends feelings, you feel bad. You then look at yourself and say "what did I do wrong" "what did I miss". So you go back through the story with the ending in mind. You take each NH moment thus forth and give it more meaning. Then you take NS moments and search for flaws in them. Your confirmatory bias is you searching for a reason for NH/SS to occur as opposed to the other results because you want to believe it ended the best way possible. Everyone has confirmatory bias to some degree. You use hindsight to prove yourself wrong for supporting NS as the end game. It's easy to see faults in your initial reasoning when you have hindsight. Me personally, as I look at more and more stuff on naruto, my NS resolve wavers, but actually ends up stronger at the end. Now I admit I have confirmatory bias, I dislike the end pairings because imo NH is boring and SS is flawed and weakens sakuras development or at least potential development, so I'm not gonna look as much at the stuff that focuses on them. So naturally there will be some degree of bias.

Kishi saying he wanted to mislead proves enough that he did give reasons to assume NS had a possibility of end game potential. It's ok for you to like the ending and end up ok with the result, but it is also ok to dislike it

Yeah. Plus the minato/hinata parallel is non existent outside of them both being more quiet. It was just a "red herring" for NS, not a parallel for NH

I understand the frustration, but let's keep things respectful. She may have a differring opinion that she is very strongly defending that we may not agree with, but she hasn't been rude

Wow it's the same for me. I honestly wasn't invested in any ships at all until after it was over. I just thought I was naturally progressing to NS, so when Naruto ended I was shocked (at the overall way it ended too not just the pairings) and that's when I really started to appreciate them as a pair. I just like good storytelling. NS is the only pair I "ship" in anything and I didn't even when it was ongoing lol

I don't understand why it is so popular either. Romance manga where they are the two main characters and have more relationship development before he turns to the darkness, I understand. Battle manga where it is a secondary ship and other relationships develop better and hold more presidence, no. Not really anyone's fault. SP and Kishi definitely didn't mean for it to become popular, but people have fantasies. Plus people like how their relationship is different. I don't. I like positivity and dynamic/pleasing relationships like NS. NH is boring and their isn't a big friendship there, SS doesn't have enough shown affecton and things are left in the air. We haven't seen sakura unhappy at this point in boruto but if they suddenly have sakura act that way, there would be no surprises if they went that direction. I always thought of Sakura as someone who wanted affection But it is fiction.

They'll address the relationship more thoroughly in another arc I'm sure. Happily every after kind of thing or plot twist. Gaiden was something but it still kept the relationship open to be resolved later kind of thing. That was more for sarada.

But for SS, In reality if there is no hinata then it is NS happening. So people put a little too much importance on the ship as a whole and them being soulmates. (SS). They write sasuke where it could be SS,SK, or badass solo sasuke and there would be no surprises. Actually even with NH, those other two choices are more sasuke like and better for the story (imo) as he can travel with Karin, or be a solo character that comes into save the day. That's kind of what he does now, but he doesn't have a family he doesn't have much contact with. There's just too much pain in that relationship pre/during/post shippuden for me

 
Agreed. But I'm hopeful the manga will learn, and I might go back and pick it up if I hear anything exciting happen.
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I hope so too. I think it will. I still get the feeling Boruto isn't meant to be a super long story. Kishi kind of wants to move on (although he clearly wanted to stay on for something being the supervisor), so I think something will come up soon. If they want it to be successful they should. But being a monthly manga has hurt them. It's like they are trying to build up like a weekly manga, but they don't have the luxury of doing that. In a monthly you can't have a boring chapter. You can't just move onto the next week.

Imo, like others here, I think the anime does a better of a job and you see it because more people are talking about moments within each episode. Gotta get people interested and buzzing about it.

Well my good friend over on fanfiction has said that this is not Sakura just a clone that was made when Naruto was fighting Kaguya and Sakura was left in one of Kaguya dimensions by Sasuke, he did say Obito passed out and Sakura was very weak trying to save his ass.
 
True he knows that it makes no sense but remember Naruto throw its logic out after the Pain arc, so yeah that's what he says the Sakura we see is a clone made by Sasuke to fool Naruto as he would never know, as for the real Sakura well she is left in that world by Sasuke.

Or what if the sasuke that comes to the village and sees sakura and his fam once in a blue moon is a Naruto clone to make sakura feel better......

That would be a great twist haha. I love theories

Jokes aside I do hope they pick up the manga a little bit and do something more risky just to get everyone thinking and suspenseful. Like others have said it is a little too slow and uninteresting right now to keep people coming back for more over other sorts of entertainment

It's good that your are trying to look at ift from both sides but to be honest SS is NOT A GOOD COUPLE. There's no two ways about it,  it is sexist and shallow, with the sole reason for it happening at all being based on a one-sided physical attraction, that endured even though it was emotionally abusive and filled with a few murder attempts

Oh yeah my comment about both sides was so I have a better understanding of interpreting scenes and not being too biased to think one thing or another for the future parts. I very much dislike SS and think it is a bad pairing, no doubt. Part of it because NS didn't happen and I just want to see sakura with naruto and I hate that she wears the crest now, but also because it is poor in general. There is very little positive anything for this couple throughout any part. I hate that a physical attraction developed into love with little base/positivity/reason and somehow she isn't allowed to be able to "move on" to someone that cared for her deeply and made her a better person and smile.

Hope that clears it up

Actually now that I think about it there really haven't been too many NH or SS moments in the manga or anime tbh. It's approaching gaiden so more so SS for the anime, but NH hasn't gotten anything really

To be honest for most of the SS moments in Boruto, I don't know whether to take them as positives or negatives for the couple. I was on Tumblr and some SS fans were getting pissed about how cannon is turning out for the couple. It's a small sample size but still. Mind others still take everything as good, while some of us take everything as bad, but I am thoroughly confused.

I try to look at it from both sides, but I honestly don't know

Yyubie is right this thread was specifically made to have faith for future NS possibilities. It has gotten out of hand and is more like NS debate part 2. Seems like similar arguments between 2 threads.

Bare with me this will probably get long......

What's the problem with having faith? Hope and faith makes things more fun and interesting. This site was made for NS material and discussing NS. I'm someone who says never say never, but I'm not dumb, I know NS is 99% probably not going to happen. Boruto is a battle manga and even with all the pairings it still most likely won't have any romance at all. Why would they suddenly focus on changing a pairing? NS at this point barely has any interactions at all. Yet part of me can still have hope because it keeps me interested. It wouldn't make too much sense at this point if NS were to happen, but this is a fantasy manga. Weirded stuff has happened before.

The writers can do whatever they want. Listen again I'm not dumb. lets say I do have faith. If NS were to somehow happen I would very happy. If it doesn't......well nothing changes. Hope's a good thing. This is fiction no harm no foul. Now no one should have such an emotional attachment where they hurt themselves or anything if it weren't too happen, that's not good for anything or any pairing though.

But yeah this thread should probably stick to what t was intended and leave stuff in the other. But as for this thread, if someone still believes, let em. Thad not to say we don't debate. Debate, discussion, and differing opinions are overalls good when productive. Like the posts from before with the "I'm the one who should be sorry". I don't think it means anything to make NS. I believe it means naruto is sorry he could never really fully bring sasuke back, but people can still post it in here if they think it means anything good and So we can debate it! That's the fun of a place like this! Not everything has to be negative, not that it is.

also sorry analyzer if this post seems like it is directly towards you, that is not my intention. I agree with a lot of your points in your debates. Like you, I dislike when people seem to see things from a one-sided view and are not open to other possibilities and reasoning. I just posted this overall to keep things positive and keep things moving

Lol that flashback scene was rediculous

^ I would have loved that rewrite to be canon ThroughWithLove. Yeah you definitely need some resolutions, then again Kishi missed a few in the canon anyway, but it would have worked out. And like I have said in another post it would complete the series and character development arcs very nicely. Also like you said the main point of resolution with SS would be sakura because while in part one sasuke stated he cared for her (never said romantically, he was also referring to his entire team) you could easily write him off in part 2 as not being interested in sakura until the head poke. He did say naruto was his last and only friend a few chapters earlier. So it would be sakura getting over sasuke. So you would need sakura to get over that i.e. "Discover her true feelings" in your version

Yeah I'm also not a big fan of the whole, "girls can't change their feelings, yet guys can" thing that seemed to happen a little at the end. Still not a fan of the rivalry being the reason for his love thing too but it's canon. Idk I just don't like overall how they played narutos feelings as not true feelings yet he actually had in manga reasons to love sakura.

Haha I'm over most things but SS still frustrates me so much and their fans reasonings for their ship can be hypocritcal and can stretch some manga symbolism (obviously it is canon though so technically they weren't wrong). Plus they seem to be a more aggressive base (although everyone has aggressive and non aggressive people in it) and lose their kitten on such small moments. Like some of the boruto and gaiden kitten and how they turn some things to mean the family's ultimate love confuses me.

 
Well they are using his characters. So yes, I do think it fits here. I found it a little funny at first but irked me later on.
 
That's great that he asked for advice, it showed he somewhat cared! Too bad that same concern and care didn't show towards the end when he got lazy and rushed it.
 
I like what he did with her at the beginning of Shippudden. She was on a roll, and I wanted her to stay on that steady, upward road. I saw that he put in some effort into her, which I too applaud. I saw potential that excited me and I was instantly hooked.
 
But at some point, he gave up for whatever reason. Sakura literally was dead weight towards the end. He dragged her character to the finish line just so it could be over with, then domesticated and sidelined her so he wouldn't have to deal with her and her declining character/popularity anymore.
 
It's like a procrastinating college student who started out his 10 page essay extremely well,who wanted to come back to it but ultimately forgot about itbut by time the due date was nearby, he panicked and half-assed the rest of it. I did not feel any sort of commitment from him whatsoever when it came to Sakura by time it ended.
 
He tried, but he could have done way better writing women. It's a shame.

Reading that reminded me that I felt like sakura and hinata both had sooo much more potential to grow, and I thought it would have been great for that to be discovered in the end to wrap up a good story. I like both characters, I do like sakura a little more despite her selfless love of sasuke that didn't have development to that level of love, but I don't dislike hinata, just too much naruto-kun. But regardless of ships, I thought they could they could have made for a killer ending

For me, I'll admit it did revolve a little around ships and a gutsy ninja ending for sakura where she realizes the person who has been by her side and "makes her smile the most" which would be naruto. It would also involve a determined hinata seeing naruto loves sakura and moving on from naruto, strongly realizing all he has done for her to improve herself mentally. I would have made it more of a upbeat moment, not a depressing one. She could then take her new found determination to lead her clan. It would still be a happy ending for everyone and you can ship her with kiba, imo. Also It's not like sasuke is a type to get jealous and we don't really see love from him at that point so he has his journey and takes Karin with. Still sounds happy for everyone to me.

(Sorry I got sidetracked there for a second)

I don't like the whole Kishi is a trash writer thing because he did make a series that we enjoyed for the most part and it was one of the most popular series in history. I enjoyed 90% of his work. All work has flaws and sure the ending is very important and he did make a few mistakes (Imo of course) he did make an enjoyable series overall. I'm no doubt dissapointed with how it ended and I still haven't fully gotten over it (although I more recently saw everything so it hasn't been like three years).

We all can agree it could have been wrapped up better (although it is easy to talk about things in hindsight) and I like to imagine what could have been. Subjectively, NS was what it was leading too, but not only that it would have made for a smoother and more full circle ending that could have sealed the deal on the development of the characters and series as a whole.

P.s. I guess I should talk about the topic. Don't think he is sexist, but he did appeal to some female stereotypes. He has said he can do better at female characters and seeked help in instances. For every character we see something, we can find another that we love. He just left some things on the table. I think the issue is that the ending was greatly impacted by two of the bigger female characters in the anime/manga so we look back at what could have been and be mad at it and thus towards the characters.

naruto gaiden is pretty much Kishi mocking that ship read the first part of gaiden Sasuke is not helping her raise there daughter Sakura have to borrow a loan to pay for her house the whole gaiden is a joke even till the end.

You are not wrong. There are a lot of things in gaiden that can lead one to assume he is mocking it a little bit. For SS fans it was supposed to be the story that brought them all together, but it wasn't that. I guess they had their family meal though haha.

Also I did say Sakura hadn't really shown she was miserable in the story, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was. She has reasons to be miserable, but we just haven't seen her act out on it yet. Although sasuke is the only person that she doesn't act herself around so she is least likely to say anything to him. Regardless I still feel bad for sakura. I guess we will find kitten out eventually

She hasn't really shown anything to assume she is miserable, but she was dealt a tough hand. She is taking his long years of absence decently well. I don't like it because I like sakura as a character and these troubles make me think If NS happened none of this would be a problem, but then again that's an assumption and they created the story like this for a reason (to create interest). Gaiden gave the family a boost, at least between father and daughter. I'm sure more family stuff will be covered now that he manga has gotten past the boruto movie.

Also SS fans saying narutos apology is for keeping sasuke away for missions is rediculous as you guys know because it was sasuke choice to this. Naruto literally just asked him to stay in the villiage moments before. Sasuke pretty much created the mission himself because he was the only one who can track the enemy he is searching for. I think naruto apologized more for the situation sakura is in in general

Supposedly they are good friends now, which is also weird considering karin's personality and still love of sasuke. It was a weird way to do things but it got people interested in it I guess. Umbilical cord thing was definitely out there. Doesn't make sense to me unless it has a secret meaning but as of now it just looks like for the momma drama

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If that's true then what is the meaning of salad umbilical cord in Karin's office ?? You think that has no meaning ?

Lol same, I cringed then told myself I just need to accept it.

And the umbilical cord in karin's office is really weird, but it was probably all just set up for the drama. Why would she keep sakura's umbilical cord in her desk? It's probably just something they will store away

it was an interesting scene and as much as I would like it to mean something, I doubt it. It's probably just lead up to the events in gaiden. I am interested in what naruto is sorry about, but I don't think it will be ever be covered with gaiden, boruto movie, and the events in the manga not covering it. So it will probably be swept under the rug. Which sucks. I'd like to think they did that for a reason, but there is so much the anime still needs to cover.

I can agree with some of your points but now I do think you are giving Kishi and SS a little too much credit. Not everything is gonna be perfect and some NS bias is gonna crowd some judgement on rational opinions, but to say there wasn't issues with the end, not even just pairings is a little flawed. Like you, I don't like SS. I understand it isn't a romance manga blah blah, but I do not agree there was enough positive moments that constitute SS, especially for the magnitude these very important characters had in the story. Side characters are one thing, but Sasuke and Sakura, no. There were only a few in part one and even then they weren't anything that showed "love" aside from teamwork that rationalizes saskura undying love for sasuke. And in part two there was only the very end.

I agree the cannon pairings were not out of nowhere and were not that forced, but no doubt Kishi could have greatly reduced the bitterness from fans and kept a lot more, had he dove into more of these issues to set a clearer path and rationalize it better. So Sakura would be a bad women for leaving sasuke to go to naruto? Ok then is naruto bad for giving up on sakura, the person he loved throughout? Is saskue a bad man (besides the obvious villain part) for getting with girl his BF loved? (Probably poor examples)

I agree some people are a little too biased and one sided when in arguments, but they do have a basis for them and there are issues that were not discussed and were ignored. You'd think some of the post series novels would clear some of things up, but they didn't and in some cases added to the confusion. For me sakura hiden and gaiden did that. I was left wondering why they were even created.