And I just googled that quote. Which top source took me to reddit. Which took me to a youtube video. Which had a source, NPR. Which was the second website after reddit listed.

https://www.npr.org/...cing-it-herself

Right, I'm going to use Star Wars and MHA to go into why its generally a bad idea to subvert an ending.

Spielberg was once interviewed and ask about Kathleen Kennedy working under him. His answer was, she was terrible at her job and would interrupt discussions of the brainstorming a movie's story with her own ideas when she was suppose to be taking notes. The one he really remembers was, "What if he didn't get the girl, but instead got the dog?" Which would clearly subvert the ending of the movie. Now why that stood out, why that is a bad idea, and why he never did a movie with that ending are all the same answer. Because while it would seem clever, it would not lead to a satisfying ending to the movie. Story have a flow to them and the audience has expectation of what will happen at the end. Fulfill them and they will enjoy that story and might read it again to experience that enjoyment again. Subverting the story while one could make an interesting story; it could also leave the audience dissatisfied therefor would not watch it again.

Now, here is Disney Star Wars for examples.

Original Trilogy:

And what if Luke didn't restore the Jedi order, but instead ended up as an loser on a island given up on everything.

And what if Han didn't remain a general and reform the military, but instead went back to becoming a smuggler.

And what if Leia didn't become Supreme Chancellor to restore democracy to the galaxy, but instead remained a general in a galactic government that disbanded their armed forces.

And what if Leia and Han didn't remain together but instead divorce with Han going back to smuggling with Chewbacca.

And what if Lando didn't become a wealthy philanthropist, but instead became a hobo on a desert planet.

Sequel Trilogy.

And what if Rey and Ben didn't get together but instead she got his uncle's farm. 

And what if Finn never confessed his feelings for Rey but instead remain her eternal simpering lackey.

Their Tv Shows:

And what if The Mandalorian didn't become the Mandalore, but instead ended on a farm with Baby Yoda.

And what if Baby Yoda didn't become a Jedi but instead just ended up on a farm with The Mandalorian.

And what if Sabine and Erza didn't get together but instead Sabine became a lesbian set up to get together with Ahsoka.

MHA the story start off with the implication that Midoriya is telling the story of how he became the number 1 hero to his successor, who he will pass OFA to. Instead, he lost the quirk, ended up as a teacher for a decade was then given a tech suit, and ended the story with we are all the number one hero. This left fans dissatisfied. 

The story of Naruto was he would become Hokage, earn the villagers' respect, become friends with Sasuke while also surpassing him, reform the ninja system, and end up with Sakura. Even if he looked like he succeed with some of that at the end, it still feels like he failed in the spirit. Leaving most readers dissatisfied with the ending. nH and SS fans said they didn't not care about the story and only cared about their pairings happening. Well, once their pairings happened they then complained about how their pairings aren't how they wanted it. The thing is the story wasn't built for their parings and so making them the pairings would always be unsatisfying as either they are unrealistically perfect or realistically imperfect but ultimately shallow because they weren't developed in story but in the fantasies of the supporters.

Its better for a story to stick to a simple one and tell it well then make a complex story full of subversion that falls flat.

https://www.reddit.c..._a_poll_on_the/
Not sure if this was shared before but seems there's a gender divide for hinata and orihime

 

Men's Choice:

 

#1. Jolyne Cujoh (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure)

 

#2. Sakura Haruno (Naruto)

 

#3. Maki Zenin (Jujutsu Kaisen)

 

#4. Rukia Kuchiki (Bleach)

 

#5. Orihime Inoue (Bleach)

 

#6. Nami (One Piece)

 

#7. Kagura (Gintama)

 

#8. Hinata Hyuga (Naruto)

 

#9. Misa Amane (Death Note)

 

#10. Nico Robin (One Piece)

 

Women's Choice:

 

#1. Sakura Haruno (Naruto)

 

#2. Maki Zenin (Jujutsu Kaisen)

 

#3. Kagura (Gintama)

 

#4. Nico Robin (One Piece)

 

#5. Shinobu Kocho (Demon Slayer)

 

#6. Rukia Kuchiki (Bleach)

 

#7. Jolyne Cujoh (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure)

 

#8. Nami (One Piece)

 

#9. Misa Amane (Death Note)

 

#10. Nobara Kugisaki (Jujutsu Kaisen)

Well the comments are surprised, "that Sakura is actually popular in Japan," is true.

This is not a new statement. Kishimoto has been saying stuff like this since the ending. This was always his justification for it happening beyond "she is popular and what the fans want while Sakura wasn't."

SP saw Hinata as the perfect woman that deserved Naruto as she deserved to be the heroine of the story. So, they wrote the Last to show that their Princess-Goddess Hinata-Hime-sama was the most perfect woman that was entitled to Naruto. He was her prize for being so perfect.

Kishimoto never got the appeal of Hinata. She wasn't his type and the people pushing her onto him would never explained to him why she should be the heroine other than she more popular than Sakura, she is prettier than her, fans like her, and she liked Naruto the longest so deserved him. Because the real answer is they love her absolute devotion, submissiveness, and no effort to obtain her. So, he needed his own reason for why Hinata should end up with Naruto? After, SP's staff pressured him to kill off Neji (the real character that was in the way of nH happening) her original storyline died with him. Leaving only her affection for Naruto. He saw that as pathetic and pitied her so agreed to put them together.

SP saw Hinata as perfect, Kishimoto saw her as pathetic. These views clash and helped make the mess that was the ending.

SP had nH's wedding be the end of the anime therefor the goal of Naruto all along was really to get together with Hinata instead of becoming Hokage and changing the ninja system's problems surpassing all those that previously held the title. The Last was to show how perfect she was and that she deserved a perfect life.

Kishimoto at the ending only had them together in front of Neji's grave implying Naruto was getting together with her to honor his sacrifice. And the relationship was set up by him which showed Naruto who focused on his job as Hokage was as distant to Hinata as Sasuke was to Sakura. The Sasuke that went out of his way to avoid Sakura for 12 years. Which is why both kids have daddy issues.

SS is still only happened because once Sakura lost her status as the Heroine he needed to put her somewhere and SS was popular with some fans; and nothing deeper than that because he dislikes the pairing. nH was the one he needed to be convinced to happened and once he was SS followed just to put Sakura somewhere.

Sakura was always popular in Japan save for certain lulls because she wasn't doing anything. Western/US fans hated her and were convinced everyone one else must hate her. I think the big example they like to use was one of the last character polls while the manga was running and Sakura was #11 with Sai which they convinced themselves that means Sakura isn't even popular in Japan. When it was more, 'she was liked, they just liked another character more than her, often Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi, but she was never hated.' While comparison Hinata fans often love her the most or love only her, so they always voted for her, she had a small but dedicated fanbase in Japan. Which is often why Hinata would rank high in polls while certain conditions are required for Sakura to though when those happens, she beats Hinata easily. This poll which is female characters so no Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi, or that poll two years ago for 'which character would you like a one shot of' she got third behind Minato and Itachi. There were others over the years but I've forgotten the details of those.

Sakura in Japan. An interesting take on her archetype for the time. A tsundere that wasn't in love with the main character from the start and he had to win her affection; making the romance more interesting and worth investing into compared to most shounen romances. A heroine that had to join in the fight and be involved in combat during a time when shounen really didn't have their female characters fight. Even when that changed, she was still unique because she had a lot of uncertainty and doubt but still had the resolved to improve herself to help out the people she cared about. Something resonated with female readers and is hard to replicate even for modern shounen heroine.

Sakura in US. Filthy useless ugly slutty abusive friend-zoning whore who should die a thousand death!!! 

Hinata in Japan. One of the most generic examples of her archetype ever made. Generally forgettable and uninvolved in the story till the very end and doesn't have much character. Though is great for fantasizing your perfect dream girl because you can make her anything because there aren't that many details that will contradict your fantasies.

Hinata in the US. Most perfect woman to have ever existed. The story should-no, is about her. It about her getting everything she wants. She deserves it. She is entitled to it. For being so perfect despite being the most abused and oppressed character to have ever been written. No one have ever suffered more than her and she never deserved it.

With those lines of thoughts in mind. Is it a surprise there is confusion between the Japan/Kishimoto and the American fanbase?

Sakura lowest point of her popularity was the ending because she backtracked to square zero of her character arc. It improved since because of the fact they refuse to use her in the sequel means she isn't tainted by the issues it has, because she is not involved, and her daughter is well behaved and well received compared to Hinata's spoiled brats.

When did the second thing happen? Kishi said he liked hinata and junko told him to be quiet from my understanding

No, in 2014 at Jumpfesta he said Sakura was his favorite in another interview later on Hinata was his favorite.

Being Kishimoto's favorite character is a meaningless phrase as he changes it constantly and it mainly to appease the person asking the question.

The reason that event was important is that it was when Kishimoto was giving constant interviews trying to justify the ending and come with more explanations/excuses to see which one the fans would accept. With someone, Junko, finally having enough of it and telling him to drop it.

Hozit going everyone? Did we reached the 10 year anniversary?

That was last month. This month its the 10th anniversary of the Last Naruto Movie with Hinata's red scarf of fate. Next month Naruto's VA Junko Takeuchi asking Kishimoto to be quite already as he tried to BS fans that Sakura was his favorite character; which was embarrassing Chie Sakura's VA who felt ashamed that her character was so unpopular she had to be replaced as the heroine. 

Pretty sure one piece is more of the IP closer to dragon ball rather than naruto

A decade ago. A decade ago. A decade ago, Naruto was the King of International Sales and was some years even second to Dragon Ball. Maybe even better than Dragon Ball since it was largely dormant during Naruto's prime years. That hasn't been the case since the ending. Due to streaming and the Live action adaptation One Piece has finally taken off internationally like it should have 25 years ago, but before that it was largely considered popular only in Japan. Even Oda admitted he thought that in interviews around the time of ending of Naruto.

https://en.wikipedia...t-selling_manga

Now a days its number 6 at 250mil in terms of volume sales. Dragon Ball is 5 with 260mil, Detective Conan 4 with 270mil, Doremon 3 with 300mil, Golgo13 at 2 with 300mil, and One Piece is number 1 with 517mil. Oh Slam Dunk is number 7 with 185mil

https://www.cbr.com/...ime-franchises/

It is the 13th biggest anime franchise with estimated worth of $10 Billion. With One Piece at 7 and Dragon ball at 5. Number One is Naruto's old time slot partner Pokémon. 

Even with those numbers the executives know. Naruto-Boruto is not making the money it should be making.

Got some hearsay about that Naruto 4 episodes mini series. Apparently, the CEO of TVTokyo said in a financial report that it will come out in this fiscal years. So, it has to come out by March 31 of 2025 for that to be true.

Apparently, Boruto fans sent a pipe bomb to Chibi Reviews over his opinions on Boruto. Apparently, he needed to get both Homeland Security and the FBI involved. 

https://gamerant.com...himoto-himself/
this is off topic but this forum not using ssl is unsecure and if a hacker wanted to what's to stop him from stealing the logins for the forum or otherwise intercepting data?

Very little. But this site hasn't been secure since I've been on. It up to the owner of the site to deal with the security issue of the site.

Never have the same password with the account on this site with any of your others. If you are, change them immediately.

It just goes to show how the pro ending head cases will try to sell you anything to say what they got was successful when the evidence of Borutos failure as well as how its hurt the Naruto franchise as a whole is obvious.

I'm in a better mood today so to be fair. Boruto is likely an above average selling manga that might bring in some money. But the problem is, that's not what the companies wanted. They wanted Naruto numbers which is still one of the biggest manga in the world. So, its a failure, it is at best a disappointment.

The two bits that stood out to me were the digital sales, and we shouldn't compare Naruto-Boruto to Dragon Ball.

So, the guy tried to say that the sales were fine because they really all went to digital and those numbers are good. But didn't show these new numbers just leaving people with the impression they must be good. Just trust the Youtuber, Bro. When it wouldn't be at hard to show them. 30% is physical? Ok that is X. 3X+1/3X=the total*. Which the average being 100,000 is 333,334 or 330,000 to what I rounded it up. Now that's a decent number for a manga, but nowhere near Naruto's numbers in its prime. Also, digital sales percentage has not been 70% throughout Boruto's entire run. As digital sales had reached that level either this or last year. He doesn't go through and try to show how digital rise matches Boruto physical number's decline. Which it doesn't. Boruto just declined till it hit around 100,000 and was around that level for years. If he was right, that wouldn't be the case.

* 30% is the known 70% is missing and we are looking for the total. 70 is 2 30% and then a 10% left over. 10% would be a third of 30%. So 30%+30%+1/3X30%=70 then for total 30%+30%+30%+1/3X30%=100%. Of 3x+1/3X=Y.

10 years ago, Naruto was the closest IP Dragon Ball had to a peer in terms of sales. If someone were to say, 'that in certain years Naruto had even beat Dragon Ball in sales,' most people would find that believable. Now a days, that is consider completely absurd, apparently. What happened in the past ten years that caused such a shift? Well, for Dragon Ball, Toriyama got so embarrassed by Dragon Ball Evolution that he got himself involved in the IP again and revitalized it. For Naruto, a bad ending and a worse sequel. "But, no no no Naruto-Boruto is completely fine apparently." While all its contemporaries' sales have completely eclipse it, when it was once the King of International Sales.

Edit: Also, again overall notion of "its a sequel don't hold it up to the same standard of the original." The companies knew that sequel tend to perform worse than the original. That why when they were selling Boruto to the audience they were making it was to be seen as a continuation of Naruto; its Part Three. Also, they tried to make sure it was seen as continuous by doing such things as keeping the Naruto anime going till they were ready to switch over to Boruto. Having a movie to promote it. Finally releasing the manga about a year after the original ended. 

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Context? Is she done with that fanfiction or something?

From what I gathered, it just a rehash of the previous game. And people don't like it.

I was being somewhat rhetorical with that bit. But lets look into it. 

https://steamcharts.com/app/1020790

Connections' overall peak was 1663 players at the same time nearly a year ago. 24 hour peak of 175.

Now that is with some caveats: 1, Played at the same time does not means bought, 2 its steam for PC and Storm games are normally PS games, and 3 its been over a year since it came out.

https://steamcharts.com/app/349040

Storm 4. 8,372 peak. 984 24h Peak.

https://steamcharts.com/app/633230

Strikers. 6,303 peak. 573 24h Peak

That said both Storm 4 and Striker have better numbers than it.

And for Dragon Ball for comparison.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1790600

Sparking Zero. Peak 120,000. 59,928 24h Peak.

https://steamcharts.com/app/851850

Kakarot made by the same company that makes the storm games. 25,715 peak. 1,186 24h peak.

https://steamcharts.com/app/454650

Xenoverse 2 the game that seemed to inspire strikers' creation. 13,570 peak. 1,428 24h peak.

Granted an aggregate take it with a grain of salt. But no wonder they want another dragon ball game if that is just a portion of people playing, and it already sold 3 million. If the percentages of people playing on steam to people buying it is similar to the Naruto games that is not good for them.

Also remember Connections, that SS manga, the...Mira manga, and an anime special that keeps delaying it release were all suppose to check how popular Naruto-Boruto was. Clearly they disappoint the companies. 

We have no idea how the tmnt writers feel about sakura, for all we know they hate ss as much we do

If they did, they wouldn't be selected to work on it. They probably been informed that SS happens and given an understanding of the characters. So it will probably be what therece thinks SS is, Sasuke has feelings for Sakura but doesn't like showing it; instead of he honestly doesn't care for her.

At best, it will just be part 1. As in, Naruto has a crush on Sakura, she has a crush on Sasuke, and Hinata is unimportant. Most likely, it will be nH/SS with the turtles pushing/helping Naruto with his girl troubles with Hinata.

Have low expectations going in, so you are pleasantly surprised if they are not the case. Fantasizing about the ideal situation for a corporate cash grab like this will only lead to disappointment.

Oh there is going to be a crossover comic with TMNT and Naruto.

https://x.com/Discus...044787269423203

Hello, Bail!

it is always a pleasure to read your posts!

 

Absolutely. they wanted their cake and eat it. I agree.

it's just that I didn't know what the initial idea was.
The fact that the first step was taken out of a feeling of doormatism (really childish, come to think of it) came to me while reading a blog in which I participate, where written testimonies of ways of working within anime production are reported. I was very struck, while reading these excerpts, by the testimony of an animator.

He reported that, in an anime production, the decision of one fairly powerful person can decide the fate of an entire work.

 

Therefore, thinking about how then hime-sama-kun-dono-san-chan is defended, hailed, and justified in the various versions of Naruto-Boruto, I really began to think that it was the excessive devotion to that character the main reason for the decision that started it all. But then, of course, one also had to try to drag along as many readers as possible....

There, that was the sore point. How can you raise a new and large generation of readers when you treat your readers as morons as these producers did.

I must admit, however, that with some of the fandom they did it. I'm talking about the ones I see justifying this stylistic and narrative horror at every turn.
And then I wonder if they are not really trying to build up an audience that is completely devoid of critical sense, or if they simply despise the audience they are addressing.

The anime staff lusted after Nana Mizuki and the idealized woman they created in Hinata Hyuga.

Hinata was just originally a minor character that Kishimoto cared so little about he didn't even given her much of a story. First, to the character beaten up by Naruto's opponent to make the reader more invested in the tournament fight, and then, to marry that person to show how far they had come due to Naruto's influence. His lack of care meant he didn't interfere when he should have; when they started adding traits and scenes to make her "Naruto's perfect woman" at least according to the anime. However, no matter how important they tried to make her in the anime she would always be unimportant because she isn't tied in anyway to the main story. When they tried to do that at the end and then tried to make the entire story about her with The Last it helped to destroy the franchise

Nana Mizuki was a young beautiful twenty year old woman that was just starting out when she got the role as Hinata. And it is very clear the anime staff lusted after her. So, they did anything they could to make sure that she had to keep coming to their offices as often as possible, so they could look at her. Which means Hinata constantly appearing in filler. Stephanie Sheh has said she was annoyed by her role as Hinata as she would constantly have to come in to do a recording and be informed she was only going to say one line, "Naruto," over and over. As for Nana Mizuki thought on this, I don't know, but I will point out once she got herself established the roles she picks seem to be the opposite of Hinata as possible or at least an interesting take on the archetype at the minimum; especially after 2014 when her characters cause both Toriko and Naruto to go under.

Japanese Otaku are the same in and out of the anime staff so they liked Nana/Hinata, and hated Neji as he was her intended love interest.

American fans and western fans tend to be spilt by gender. Males like her because the perfect woman and the ultimate victory over girls like Sakura that friend-zoned them. Females like her because they self-inserted and saw themselves as the perfect victimized princess and Sakura was wrongfully stealing the man that belong to her.

In the end it was more they wanted their fantasies to come true and convince people to see how they did; than wanting to trick their audience.

Hello everyone!
Guys, is everyone well? Sorry for my long silence: I had lost my password for the forum. I finally managed to find it!

We are ten years after the end of Naruto. What do you think, having reached this point?

I've been pondering lately…

When the story ended I wondered about the reason for such a decision.... Surely, while they wanted to continue the series with a new generation, it could have been carried on EQUALLY with Naruto and Sasuke's children. There would have been no need to necessarily pair them with Hinata and Sakura (respectively). Then... why?
I thought about it and this is my assumption.

Those who wanted the ending thought it for HINATA. I don't know if it was out of zealotry toward the character or toward the voice actress, but anyway so I believe.

Why I think this I will calmly explain in more posts. In the meantime, tell me what you think.
I have always loved the debates in our forum!

They wanted a sequel, they wanted the huge international fanbase that Naruto was famed for, and they were told Hinata was the desired love interest for Naruto by a majority of the fan base; of course push along by her fanatics in the anime staff. SS happening was to put away the spare and make a love interest for the sequel's main character. On paper, there should have been no problem.

However. The fanbase that supported Hinata being the love interest was overblown. They destroyed the original story to make it happen. Their new main character is unlikable. They added problems to the ending pairings when their supporters desired them to be perfect and flawless fantasy relationships. Also the person they put in charge of the sequel made a poorly drawn, drawn out, and uninteresting story that disinterested most people.

https://thatparkplac...g-about-the-ip/

Rumor: Lionsgate’s Live-Action Naruto Film Is “A Complete Disaster” With Producers Not Knowing “Anything About The IP”

A rumor claims that Lionsgate’s long-gestating live-action Naruto film is a “complete disaster” with producers not knowing “anything about the IP.”

If true.

Guess Kishimoto trusted Hollywood, he is a fan of Hollywood movies, and didn't keep an eye on it like Oda. Problem is most Hollywood hates Japanese entertainment and blame it for them losing viewers. Since they are not going to self reflect.

Fair enough

Yahagi Kosuke comments on western fans
https://x.com/DBZimr...774946712686829

 

"We've been reading manga for a long time, so we tend to read deeper into what makes manga interesting. But many people overseas don't understand Japanese manga. I think that's probably because they don't have literacy or reading comprehension. So, ultimately, I think that Naruto doesn't require that kind of reading comprehension."

Sounds like he is saying people like Naruto over other manga because it is simple. Would help to know what the question was or the interview.

OK. It was an interview in 2019 on a radio show called Izakaya: Denfaminicogamer. And he was asked why was Naruto more popular than One Piece overseas? Answer. it is simpler.

https://news.denfami...iew/191227f#i-6 Supposedly, it is in here.

Well, I'm not going to disagree with the reading comprehension.

Well, before even watching it remember that Boruto will always be a disappointment because the companies that signed off on it were promised a return to Naruto's high selling glory days. What they got instead is at best a middling/above average/below average for WSJ manga, with an anime with OK sales, and most of the money was made from licensing distribution out to other countries because it was the sequel to Naruto. It would have been cancelled long ago if it was an original IP, but it survives because its a sequel to Naruto that brings in just enough money to not cancel it.

That said its clear they are not happy with it. The anime is still off the air and they never finished part one. While they clearly ordered Ikemoto to wrap up part one, as the manga would still be there with his pacing otherwise, and he clearly been order to pick up the pace in part two. Which I have seen people notice how bad the story is in part two because it isn't dragged out. Where before, they convince themselves it must be leading to something.

So, any one who goes, "its OK," to defend it. Can be answered by "they didn't want, 'its OK.' The companies wanted at the least Naruto's sales figures to continue with Boruto."

If the video is about digital sales vs physical sales. It is hard to often figure out how much digital sales are worth because most companies are reluctant to release their digital sales data. So physical sales are a good aggregate. For example, lets say physical sales are 90% and digital are 10%. So if 90 books sold physically then 10 were sold digitally; so 100 books were sold overall. Its the same reason people like to use Steam to show if a game is doing well or not. While not all people buy all their games on Steam enough do that it is seen as a good way to check.

Dear lord that avatar is ugly. Looks like a mix between a JoJo's stand and an Otsutsuki...So, it actually looks like it fits in Boruto. Naruto Explained, well that means the continuation of interest in Naruto-Boruto is important to the continuation of his channel and any money he may receive from it.

So the guy starts out with the volumes sales. I just want to point out there is more to Boruto's volume sales than just its volume sales. As it is important to remember Naruto's volume sales which average at what 3.5 million, but barely got 800,000 for it final volume its first week. Then Salad's gaiden had about 620,000. Then finally Boruto's started around 400,000 that declined till it eventually leveled out to around 100,000. If 100,000.is good for most manga that's nice, but the company are looking at, how far the IP has fallen. Which reminds me if he tries to say something like, "as a sequel, its ok on its own or something." Boruto was intended to be a continuation of both the IP and Naruto's story through his son. Like DragonBall Z is to Dragonball. Which is why one has to look at Naruto's sales as well. As they again, wanted those to continue with Boruto. To ignore Naruto and treat it as it own thing is admitting it is a failure.

He ask, if it so unpopular why is it still ongoing? Legacy of Naruto still means it makes money through distribution rights, and from what I recall when Kodaichi was fired they are under contract. They were given a contract to write a certain amount of chapters I think it was 60. When they hit that mark Ikemoto's contract was renewed his wasn't. It also what I suspect happened with the end of part one and the pacing of part two. They refused to extend Ikemoto's contract again when they didn't see improvements they desired. So he has the remaining chapters to finish his manga; which is about 40 chapters.

So he brings up that physical sales is outdate. Like I said an aggregate. So digital manga according to him makes up about 70% of sales in Japan. Let's see, if Boruto's 100,000 is 30%, Digital's 70% is around 230,000, and so total would be about 330,000 volume sales in Japan...Ok. Even that was the case for Boruto, that is again still far less than Naruto had in its prime. If physical sales were 1%, then it would be getting to where the company wanted its sales to be.

Also, Boruto's sales charts do not have a gradual decline that goes along with the rise of Digital sales. It falls till its sales stabilize around 100,000 and was around that for years. When it should continue to go down as more people buy it digitally.

You know, he brings up digital sales took off in 2014. Just proving that Naruto had the worse time to end. As it ended before streaming revitalized western interest in anime (so when Boruto started it had to face competition), right as digital manga took off, and continuous anime became outdated (which Boruto one of the last greenlit.) Boruto really comes off as a relic from a bygone era. An era that ended around the ending of Naruto.

So Boruto sells around 400,000 each year according to him. Is that physical alone or with digital? Boruto has generally two volumes each years. Which means each get -barring older volume sales- 200,000 by the end of their year. Which means if physicals sales were just 100,000. Digital would only be in general 50% of total sales.

Ah he brought up the sequel excuse...already covered that. They wanted it to be a continuation not just a random spin off sequel.

"We shouldn't compare Dragon Ball and Dragon Super success to Naruto." Wasn't Naruto once one of the top three selling manga ever at one point and was consider a peer to DragonBall? Now we shouldn't think of putting them in the same topic much less comparing them? How far has it fallen. What ever could cause such a fall? Maybe a bad ending and a sequel most people do not like for the past ten years? Hm. Maybe it could have maintain its position with a good ending and a good sequel. A possibility maybe?

Similar sequels to justify Boruto's low sales. Haven't read the Seven sin sequel so can't say. Fairy Tail 100 to be honest I kind of forget that still ongoing sometimes, also I don't think it help that the anime only started this year. Rurouni Kenshin Hokkaido...wasn't that put on hold for a few years due to the mangaka being arrested? I think that would affect the sales numbers. Also, it was made about 20 years after the original manga compared to 1 year for Boruto. The Inuyasha sequel which again came out years after the original's ending.

Ah the Boruto movie is strong...http://www.narusaku....showtopic=16678 For its time, sure. Afterwards, all its contemporaries eclipse it.

Now time to blame Naruto's volume count for why people aren't reading Boruto. Wait. Wait I thought Boruto was successful people were just saying it wasn't. Why the change?

It is the best selling manga in V-Jump! Well seeing as Super ended due to the Death of Toriyama, yes. But it was once In WSJ before it was moved to V-Jump. So, it like a loser in a major leagues moved to the minor and got second place. Not as impressive as it sounds.

Meanwhile in the video game industry, looks like Bandai Namco is cancelling projects involving One Piece and Naruto (yes, that's include Boruto), while Dragon Ball gain more success due to Sparking ZERO surpassed in sales by over 3 Million sold worldwide within 24 hours after release! That beat Capcom's Street Fighter 6, which managed to get 3 million in sales in only for a couple of months and also Mortal Kombat 1.

One Piece always seems to have problems with games. While Naruto once had a successful game franchise in Storm. How was the last one Connection everyone?

Apparently, some Boruto fan doxed a youtube reviewer named Chibi Reviews for not liking Boruto or something like that. The reviewer is suing the person who doxed him.

They also made false videos of him to defame him hopefully leading to him being stoned to death, no really, and they decided to mock him for his brother's death...always pleasant people those Boruto fans aren't they?

https://www.reddit.c...is_on_the_list/

https://x.com/Shonen...773900150219134

Titles that Jump deems profitable ie what advertisers should focus on:

Ongoing:

One Piece

Jujutsu Kaisen (which is about to end)

Sakamoto Days

Blue Box

Akane Banashi

Kagurabachi

Ended:

MHA

Demon Slayer

Haikyuu

The Promise Neverland

That would not surprise me at all, I've seen interviews with writers for the Disney/Marvel shows that happened after Endgame, and one of the requirements for getting the job was to know nothing about the source material.

And to those who watched those shows you saw how badly they were.

Hollywood in the last couple of years hired activists instead of people who know how to do the job. Obviously not the whole of Hollywood.

If the movie does see the light of day, I have zero hope for it being even decent, not to mention good.

 

It's a problem old as time, that people can't take any responsibility for their own screw-ups. What's worse with Hollywood is that they even went as far as attacking the fans.

Hollywood writers and directors have grown to hate any source material.

Most people think it is because they want to create their own stories not just adapt others. The problem is every time they are given the chance to do their own stories they are sheer garbage. Because they refuse to learn how to write from reading the stories that are already written, their morals are the messed up depravity that is only really accepted in the bubble of LA, and they can't be sincere about anything everything has to be ironic deconstruction meta commentary that subvert expectations with millennial style irreverent dialogue. Which people have already grown to hate because they keep putting that into IP they loved, so why would they watch something new that has everything they dislike? So their new stuff always fails. Which is why they hate and attack fanbases.

However by this point, they are not just destroying the stories people love, they are attacking the audience itself.

This led to a never ending cycle that has led to the decline of Hollywood in recent years, and the rise of alternative sources of media. As both, the audience is not watching their stuff anymore, and investors/producers are looking at those medias for profit. Not at awful Hollywood garbage, that has to go through constant reshoots because they can't get it right the first time anymore. So anything they can get their hands on of those alternative media, they will destroy it out of spite. The only way to make sure a Hollywood movie is made properly and faithful to the source material now a days. Is if there is a producer invested and powerful enough to force them to tell the story properly and force reshoots till they do. That is why Sonic, Nintendo, and One Piece have had successful western adaptations.

YUP. Naruto is a simplistic manga for simplistic morons I say. You are either a reader for the greatest fictional couple ever made, Hinata Huyga-chan-megami-hime-sama and her vicarious cup of courage turned boy toy trophy husband, OR you are an illiterate Buffoon for not seeing the true moral and message of the story was the former. Naruto is a simple story for simps, TG FOR THAT. *sarcasm*

I lost count of the number of times on this site alone I have done a page by page of a scene to show, what the scene was suppose to convey.

For example. What was the one I did last year... in June. The Sasuke telling Naruto to focus on sealing Kaguya.

My reading: "While yes, Sasuke was correct in a pragmatic sense. However, he was wrong as he went too far in telling Naruto to leave Sakura and Kakashi to just die. As it was immoral, it would negatively affect Naruto, and they can still be of use even if they can't seal Kaguya. Also, even Sasuke knows he was wrong, as Naruto was able to defeat his argument by just bringing up the Wave arc. This was to show Sasuke is still not reformed and Team 7 is not back together despite them fighting alongside each other."

Reddit's reading. "Sasuke is completely right." "...Oh and he still cares about Sakura deep down, he just won't admit it." When, they think for a second and realize he was advocating throwing Sakura into magma. Therece's biggest disappointment of Naruto, was Sasuke not just grabbing Sakura and throwing her into the magma himself. Most romantic SS moment that could possibly happen.   

That's what you are dealing with when other people read Naruto. You are lucky if they understand even surface level.

Simple or not, the reading comprehension is STILL f-ed up because many fans and the people BTS complained about and for Hinata, as like she was really that important to the franchise. When we know in actuality, she wasn't.

That because they want Hinata to be important not because she is. Westerners have been taught to think only with feelings. So they don't think about anything too much so their easier to control and convince as long as you know how to manipulate their feelings.

I feel like the fact that The Last and the Boruto movie are both coming out alongside Road to Ninja this month on Netflix (10 years since the ending) is some sort of "test" for Western audiences to see if the spawn and its dad are still viable (pfft), or if the audiences now prefer essentially an alternative.

At this point, I think they already know regardless of how the views go, but if Road does do better than those two...well, its another moment of embarrassment for nH/SS-Boruto.

If it doesn't do well it just proves that the audience has moved on, and if it does it shows they picked the wrong ending. If it sounds like we win either way, it's because we do. Even if those two movies do well, they will still be frustrated by, "why are they seeing the desired profits they were promised now and not before?"

Anything that is not a complete reversal of their ill fortunes from now on is going to displease the executives. As they have had to wait ten years for desired and promised profits. And they would want to know, "why they couldn't be benefiting for it for the last 10 years?"