He's shown that he has a sex drive after being exposed to the Happiness Punch by Nami (and when Bentram disguised himself as Nami and did the same thing). Heck, Luffy himself even admitted to Boa that the only reason her powers didn't work on him is because she had pissed him off too much to think lewd thoughts.

Thats exactly what I was about to say too and they are all pretty valid reasons. Especially when it comes to Luffy and his attraction to woman. Along with the point you brought up about Boas power having no effect on Luffy. He was simply too annoyed to even have those kinda thoughts about her.

Ah yes, those fics...
 
I really can't stand that revenge fulfillment/power fantasy garbage since it requires everyone to be grossly out of character and expects us to root for Naruto when he becomes a psychopathic PoS that puts Orochimaru to shame.  Oh, and Hinata is always naturally immune because "she always had Naruto's back.", even when she hid in the shadows and did nothing as he was "abused".

If it came to me and writing a role reversal story of Naruto being the bad guy and sasuke being good.8 honestly dont think Hinata would have any relevancy at all especially her infatuation with Naruto too.


I do however see Sakura gaining a huge major role and growth out of it though.

In that putting all that high of a pedestal on Sasuke really set off the edge and he just needed someone to understand him and feel welcome.

I could even see it where it breaks her crush phase. On sasuke too.

luffy and nami would be nice though oda might have him get with boa

Even though Luffy rejected her twice. Lol

Thats the big difference between Naruto and ichigo. Both were rather oblivious to Hinata and Orihimes love.

Luffy at least knows and hes still just like I dont care.

I think its also really telling when you see this how Oda mimicked Luffy meeting a girl who looked very similar to nami in the original one shots for one piece.


https://twitter.com/...aTlXNBKtpnMaQ4A

Plus Oda did say he emulates a lot of Luffy, and his wife emulates nami especially that she cosplayed as her too!

Two of these I wished to see canon, but didn't unfortunatley!

 

 

The other two  (NaLu, and LuNa) I can definitely see the horizon spreading for them both especially with NaLu! 

Natsu still playing games about Lucy? He need to stop playing and get with her already. Honestly though, I always prefer them getting together at the end. To me, thats always the biggest goal. Naruto finally getting Sakura at the end would be his biggest dream come true. You would feel the positive emotions of him finally getting her. So, I dont care how long Hiro takes, , long as it happens.

NaLu is almost guaranteed especially seeing when you see how Hiro handled the romance in Rave Master, and how hes handling the love story between Shiki and Rebecca.

There's no implied mandate by Shueisha that requires that the shonen male protagonists must reciprocate the feelings of girls that show an interest in them, regardless of onscreen chemistry and compatibility. Nisekoi (which concluded two years after Naruto) ended with the MC getting with the lead heroine, in spite of the fact that his original love interest confessed to him first.  Komi-san had its MC reject someone from his love triangle in spite of confessing first.  MHA just killed off Himiko after she confessed to Midoriya before Ochako had her chance.  Even Mashle had its lead protagonist frequently reject his self-proclaimed fiancee to the very end.   I could go on.  
 
The closest thing to what you describe is in Demon Slayer with Tanjirou x Kanao, and the authoress at least establishes some rapport between them before they hooked up.  And Tanjirou had no other prospects.
 
I get that you're still jaded over Shuiesha and Pierrot influencing Kishimoto, but what happened in that title has not magically become law for all of their Shonen titles.  Especially when several newer authors seem to have taken Naruto as an object lesson to be much more prominent in establishing the main couples in a shonen title, so that there's no confusion or debate.  Black Clover and My Hero Academia being good examples.

Id totally have to agree with you on that Kagomaru, nothing is really dictated as law regarding shounen mc reciprocating female characters that are crushing on them.

Mha, and especially Black clover are great examples for sure in terms of establishing the main couples. Another great example that comes to my mind is Blue Box, its a sport manga in jump but you can clearly see that the mangaka is laying out the groundwork between its two main mcs.

Pretty sure there are more examples, but like you the influence from suiesha and Perriot is one thing Im not letting dictate on how things are gonna be portrayed for other series.

I typically avoid those kind of channels!

I recall bringing this up to Lucky a few years ago when Shounen jump had that red string of fate manga. But, I have notice that WSJ manga tend to be more blatant with their couples since Naruto ended. Either, they were very clear who the love interest is, or they avoid that all together.
 
People worried about another mangaka becoming another Kishimoto need to remember that; they don't want to turn into another Kishimoto. Kishimoto was once the second of third biggest name in the shounen manga industry.
 
Now look at him.
 
He is a glorified editor/assistant in the sequel to his own manga, and its failing. We may not know fully what happened to Naruto, but it is likely an open secret and a warning in Shueisha; don't let you editors dictate something as important yet minor as the end parings.

Oh yeah,I do remember the manga youre referring to, I believe that was U-19. But what you said is accurate in that it does seem like Jump and Shueisha arent taking the same approach with what happened to Kishi. Simply to avoid the same circumstances that happened with Naruto, and honestly that is for the better.


I think it was also pretty telling that when Naruto ended, Kishi had no interest coming back to Naruto after he finished the series and wanted to try something different. Which we know the result of what happened once Samurai 8 got canceled.

Not to say that it was surprising because given how Naruto ended this was more or less something an expected outcome.

Ya know more emphasis on the comedy, showcase Naruto's good well nature with everyone - > yes Sasuke & Hinata included... Definitely a huge lack of overused flashback.

 

Think like this... Naruto wants to become Hokage

 

 

let's explore what steps he has to take as a shinobi to become hokage, and no kittening detours....  Yeah "Saving Sasuke" for post- timeskip plotline looking at you lol 

 

 

It could be a goal, but not the primary goal of Part 2. 

 

 

Expand more upon the world building of the ninja world. 

 

 

the history of Shinobi could be like an ancient myth that once existed, but no one's been able to prove of its existence. 

 

 

Let's take Gol D. Roger for example... he started an era on the day of his execution.

 

 

 

So in conjunction with that lets say use Tailed beasts for example.... say that their regarded as myths throughout the world, and only a rare select individuals know of their existence.

 

 

They wouldn't be exclusive to just near by villages.... in my opinion I feel that severely diminished the scope of the world of Naruto.

 

 

 

I think you could have it to where they can throughout each continent of the world, and they can be in locations that even anbu black ops would have a hard time knowing they actually existed. 

 

Essentially make them like mythological creatures no one has ever seen for centuries and centuries before Naruto's era.

 

 

 

Much like how Gol D. Roger ushered an into an new age of pirates in One Piece.....  

 

 

 

The night The Nine Tails attacked the Leaf Village in that sense could kickstart a new era of Shinobi in search of these Mythological creatures. 

 

 

 

 

I'll take it a step further,.... The 5 great nations...  we visit Sand village for example, but instead of just getting a brief overview... we actually see how people live their lifestyle, their culture, and how they differ from The Leaf Village. 

 

You could do the same thing with the Stone,  Cloud, and Mist Village too. 

 

 

 

You explore how distinct the shinobi are in each village. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something along those lines.

 

 

 

Ya know... back when I was like super intuned with Naruto... there was a trilogy I was writing back in High School... I got through writing the first 2 and stopped around halfway through the last book.... 

 

 

Partly due the ending and what not, but  I've been hitting a slump lately on my post apocalyptic book trilogy as I'm revising it from 3rd person to 1st person with the first book which honestly is no easy task lol.  since it's a multi- 1st person pov  story centered on 3 characters! 

 

 

 

 

Anyway.... the point I'm trying to make here is that the Naruto based trilogy was almost too similar to Naruto minus a few minor tweaks here and there.

 

 

 

This naruto inspired trilogy I wrote was just centered on 1 protagonist unlike the apocalyptic trilogy I'm revising.

 

 

 

 

 

but really.... thinking more and more on this.... I could honestly take that concept I just present and implement that....   

 

 

 

Sorry guys... I know this post probably isn't gonna mean much, but it definitely brain stormed an idea for me because I was planning on going back to that trilogy and rework it eventually. 

Togashi is also from the same school of authority over his work; even Kubo is.  The main reason that Kishimoto isn't part of that club is because he's always been a little weak-willed as well as a people pleaser. Not to mention they were gaslighting and coercing him when he was at his most vulnerable.

 

 

Very very true, and I think that's also very noticable in the writing too! 

No lie, it's amazing what fans are able to come up with over the canon material:

 

I can't really see team 7 betraying naruto, at least kakashi and sakura

Thats why we called it a what if, blue!

Wow. A clan of psychopaths.

 

right!

A question I want to ask all of you if you were the writer of Naruto, when would you have Naruto and Sakura hook up if you didn't have to place it at the ending?

 

 

there would be two spots I could think of which would be either at the end of the pain arc, or like just before Naruto leaves for turtle Island when Sakura tells him about Tsunade's condition! 

Proud I was part of it.

 

 

It was really fun to have you, Vanitas, Steve, and BlueStar be apart of it! 

I'm not entirely sure where I wanted to share last year's anniversary podcast for Naruto, but..... I figured this would be fitting since it does kind of warrant as a semi debate too: 

 

hopefully next time blue is in a better mood 

 

 

True true! 

 

 

Things should be good this time around! 

I just hope I can make it.

 

It would be a lot of fun to have you on for the next one!

The only thing people care about these days, 🙄

Ya know more emphasis on the comedy, showcase Naruto's good well nature with everyone - > yes Sasuke & Hinata included... Definitely a huge lack of overused flashback.

 

Think like this... Naruto wants to become Hokage

 

 

let's explore what steps he has to take as a shinobi to become hokage, and no kittening detours....  Yeah "Saving Sasuke" for post- timeskip plotline looking at you lol 

 

 

It could be a goal, but not the primary goal of Part 2. 

 

 

Expand more upon the world building of the ninja world. 

 

 

the history of Shinobi could be like an ancient myth that once existed, but no one's been able to prove of its existence. 

 

 

Let's take Gol D. Roger for example... he started an era on the day of his execution.

 

 

 

So in conjunction with that lets say use Tailed beasts for example.... say that their regarded as myths throughout the world, and only a rare select individuals know of their existence.

 

 

They wouldn't be exclusive to just near by villages.... in my opinion I feel that severely diminished the scope of the world of Naruto.

 

 

 

I think you could have it to where they can throughout each continent of the world, and they can be in locations that even anbu black ops would have a hard time knowing they actually existed. 

 

Essentially make them like mythological creatures no one has ever seen for centuries and centuries before Naruto's era.

 

 

 

Much like how Gol D. Roger ushered an into an new age of pirates in One Piece.....  

 

 

 

The night The Nine Tails attacked the Leaf Village in that sense could kickstart a new era of Shinobi in search of these Mythological creatures. 

 

 

 

 

I'll take it a step further,.... The 5 great nations...  we visit Sand village for example, but instead of just getting a brief overview... we actually see how people live their lifestyle, their culture, and how they differ from The Leaf Village. 

 

You could do the same thing with the Stone,  Cloud, and Mist Village too. 

 

 

 

You explore how distinct the shinobi are in each village. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something along those lines.

I doubt Kishi is as clever as Oda.

I should do a rewrite of Naruto and tackle in a way of how Oda would write it.

   

Hey what's that's suppose to mean

Hes referring to when you got agitated during the recording when they were trying to finish up their point.

When you were interrupting him but Steve and I were telling you to wait your turn.

Im not exactly getting onto you about it cause I know you were dealing with something before we started recording last years anniversary podcast.

I think thats what he means by hoping youre in a better mood this time when we do the podcast this year!

Naruto Ninja Storm manages to have worse decisions than the manga, like this one here.
https://youtu.be/Pyg...QbAOAsr6oQIe7s2

Sakura vs Sasuke?

I think that one was handled really well. it gave us a chance to see Sakura take on Sasuke unlike the anime and the manga.

Nah, his self-insert has always been Naruto. He freely admits that Naruto's personality - and even his life experiences - are based on himself.  Sasuke, OTOH, was based upon on his twin, Seishi. Furthermore, he has made it empathically clear that he *hates* both SS and NH. He even stated that Sasuke and Sakura would likely divorce in the future, if he had his way. Never mind the fact that he's the one that heavily suggested in the Boruto Gaiden that Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's love child.  So, unless he and his wife's marital issues are far worse than we thought, the idea of Sasuke being his self-insert doesn't make any lick of sense. 

 

 

Definitely, and I think it's also especially telling when you look at the way HachiAnn (Hachimaru x Ann) was being built up in Samurai 8, and how they parallel off of NaruSaku in more occasions than one too. Especially when it pertains to the way certain scenes are paneled out in the manga. 

 

 

Like these: 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...&name=4096x4096

 

 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

That's one of the reasons why I didn't really move forward with the idea in the first place. 

 

 

It's called a scrapped concept idea for a reason!