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#711602 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by shisui on 20 December 2014 - 05:19 PM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

You are right, I cannot counter anything you said because we are talking about something that does not have a definitive answer. 

There is no point in countering each other because it'll keep going in circles.

 

No matter what I say, you'll never see the similarity between Karin and this Sakura. And no matter what you say, I can never NOT see the similarities. This topic is such that we will always be opinonated i.e we won't change our minds. Hence its pointless to continue to argue and its best if we agree to disagree.

 

Yeah, I can see Sakura is her own character, not some copy of a joke that Kishi thought while bleeding out of his ass. I never thought that would be a useful skill to have, but I guess it is.




#711349 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by shisui on 20 December 2014 - 02:49 PM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

Now Sasuke looks nothing like Madara, with his duckbutt hair style - there was hints that he will look like Madara, but now he looks like his brother Izuna

 

I think he looks more like Madara. While I was reading the 700 spoiler thread, that's what people called him, not Izuna.

 

 

Dude... I'm not over here claiming that Sakura is Karin. I said that she seems like a mixture of Karin and Tsunade APPEARANCE WISE. Both in 700 and in here. It was the first thing that popped into my head, and honestly Salad is kind of a factor in that too. It's a concept sketch, as in sketching out ideas. Can you find Konan wearing this in the manga? Because I'm sure it didn't appear in there. Hinata's concept sketch was for her to be a civilian wearing a dress, yet we don't see that in the manga. The same goes for Hanabi and that sketch we saw for her part 2 design, but she remained the same. I won't argue with you, I don't see the point. To each their own.

 

It doesn't matter if Konan's design wasn't in the manga. It was still drawn by Kishi and I have the right to bring that resemblance up, because it was drawn by Kishi himself and is related to how he designs things in the first place. In canon Sarada is Sakura's daughter, and yet you keep bringing up this supposed resemblance that the child has with Karin, yet that conclusion is taken from your own imagination. Kishi's designs have more to do with how he decides designs than what you finding a minor detail that two characters share, with a connection that isn't very well done in the first place.

 

These replies aren't for you only, so don't take it personally. I chose you simply because I've read enough of this comparison and because of your username.

 

 

 

Konan-sama is not the only one who sees the similarity. I do too and so do a lot of others. Your entire argument is redundant if I use a sentence that you used above --

 

We see a lot of similarity and you do not. We don't expect you to accept our opinions. So why do you expect us to accept your statements as the undisputed truth..? This particular subject is not something like a 'fact' to have a fixed truth.We are taking about appearances and it can only be opinionated. 

 

No. You see what you want to see. This is the case because you cannot counter anything I said.




#711304 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by shisui on 20 December 2014 - 02:24 PM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

Uh, I think you misunderstood... I just said Sakura looks like a mix of Tsunade and Karin in that picture.

 

There is nothing Karin about her in that pic, besides being both female.

 

At least to me, she does. Basically it just doesn't seem like the Sakura I know.

 

Sasuke looks like Madara and Naruto looks like Obito, Choji looks completely different from what he used to look like and TenTen looks like Lee. They changed. What's the point of being specific about Sakura?

 

I know the pose isn't exclusive to one character, but it just reminded me of Karin given what we see in the manga. Covers aren't really the best proof turn to. :sweat:

 

Those covers were drawn by Kishimoto, so they're his artwork. He drew Sakura at least twice in that pose. He also drew Sasuke like that and a bunch of other characters too.

 

Not once did we see Sakura with a lip shine.

 

We never saw Naruto with his hair short like Obito either. We never saw Sasuke without his hair sticking out like Goku. We never saw Choji with a beard.

 

Is it really lip gloss? Karui and Kurenai have it too, but it's weird to see Sakura with it as well, especially when Karin had one in the exact same spot. 

 

Yes, it's lipgloss. The exact same spot is called light effect. It shifts if they changed their face angle.

 

As for the mid drift:

 

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See the similarity? Other than that she has her capris from the movie, heels and lipstick.

 

You see what you want to see. Karin's a short zipper jacket while Sakura's resembles a qipao. They are not the same type of clothing to begin with and they both may part in the front, but they do so in different ways (zipper vs wrap).

 

It astonishes me further, because I'm talking with someone with Konan in the name. This is because Konan's clothes under the Akatsuki robe are much closer to what Sakura wears in 700. Kishi said on the notes of this outfit for Konanthat he liked them and was upset he never had the chance of showing them in the manga, so I could see him recycling for Sakura.

 

And look, in this concept, Konan has a similar outfit, the same pose and a much closer hairstyle to Sakura in that family pic or in the last (soft and parted at the side and sideswetp, and it even has an hair accessory). If you're going to compare Sakura with someone, then compare with Konan, who was a serious character, not a failure played for laughs.

 

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By hair I meant how her hair is similar to Karin's style in 700. You can see the layers of it and it looks different as to what we see in her part 2 hair style.

 

Sakura wears her hair spiky since part 1.

 

Salad is a clone of Sasuke mixed with Karin's traits too, honestly.

 

Sarada has Sakura's face and Sasuke's black eyes and hair.

 

Don't know why Kishi did that, but meh. Hope that clears things up.

 

Kishi didn't do anything. You're the one making these conclusions.




#711167 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by shisui on 20 December 2014 - 01:03 PM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

She looks like Karin mixed in with Tsunade.. it's a bit weird. You have the pose, clothes, hair, Salad and lip shine that looks like Karin while her lipstick, and outfit is more Tsunade-like. I can't see Sakura in there. :cry:

 

I wonder why I even come anymore. How is Sakura like Karin?

 

The pose? Sakura was doing that pose several times way before Karin was introduced.

 

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The lip shine is lip gloss, which Kurenai also has. That and lipstick (which Tsunade) is Kishi's symbol for hot women (or wannabe hot women in the case of Karin).

 

What do you mean by the hair? Sakura has had spuky hair since early part 1 and smooth hair (like Sarada) for a while too. And clothes? Sai and Ino were rocking the mid-drift way before Karin did. Her pants and sandals are very close to part 2 TenTen?

 

I understand people are upset, but saying Sakura is like a character who Kishi invented while thinking of bleeding out of his ass, is really desperate.




#706540 The Last theory: Collection of Info & co.

Posted by shisui on 15 December 2014 - 10:17 PM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

Sakura is the manga's heroine. She was the one present for the final arc and the one that helped bring Naruto and Sasuke home. From the way he speaks, Kishi considered switching due to popularity but didn't because he likes Sakura more.

 

Hinata has done nothing worth praising. If she's a heroine, it's in the anime. What Kishi has been saying lately about Hinata / NaruHina, it looks like he doesn't care if Hinata / NaruHina burn. Nothing he has said lately is good for Hinata / NaruHina. I hope the trend continues.

 

The best part is to watch the Hinata / NaruHina fandom scramble. There is no defending this, yet they insist. I've seen them compare Neji's death with Itachi and Jiraiya too. What the hell.




#702778 Has your opinion of Karin and SK changed?

Posted by shisui on 13 December 2014 - 01:20 AM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

I've always disliked Karin and SasuKarin. She is a joke character and their relationship is non existant. Nothing has changed and I see no reason for it to change.




#702777 The REAL NaruSaku Dream

Posted by shisui on 13 December 2014 - 01:18 AM in Icha Icha NaruSaku

Kishi made fun of the NaruSaku fandom by saying that it was a red herring. He would never do such an alternative ending or spinoff ending.




#702775 Does Kishimoto not remember that Naruto watched and supported Sakura?

Posted by shisui on 13 December 2014 - 01:14 AM in Naruto General

There is no contradiction.

 

Hinata noticed Naruto's hard work when she was a small kid. There was a flashback where she's supporting Naruto, years before the teams formed, and when they were all academy kids. Iruka may have been someone who noticed beforehand, but Sakura, Sasuke and all the others only noticed after the series begun. This is what Kishi means by midway.

 

It's still a lousy excuse though. It doesn't matter if Hinata noticed him first and she shouldn't be rewarded for that. I don't agree with that kind of entitlement.




#701101 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 11 December 2014 - 08:15 PM in Naruto General

Right, so at the end of part one, Sakura could've pretty much said "Next time, you'll fight Sasuke on  your own while I cry and get knocked out miles away, you'll get him to change his mind on your own and if the two of you just so happen to be mortally wounded for some reason, I'll heal you both as good as new!"
 
As for the team 7 comment, Sasuke described them as a family. He was not, however, discussing why he gave up on his evil plan. Really, the entire chapter is about him and Naruto's bond. Sasuke admits defeat after seeing that Naruto will not give up. He says nothing about Sakura. I'm sorry, but there's really no way to interpret his words as both him and Sakura bringing Sasuke back. That was entirely Naruto. Sakura gets props for healing them, but the real work was already done. It's like saying two friends worked together to fundraise a feed-the-homeless event, even though friend-A was the only one to got out and fundraised all the money whereas friend B simply to deposit the fundraising check into the homeless event's account. Sure, I guess the homeless event wouldn't receive the money without the check being deposited, but it's a pretty big stretch to say the fundraising was a joint effort.
 
Here's the thing. Sakura doesn't even need to go mano-y-mano with her Sasuke in order to fulfill her promise. Had she said anything to make him conflicted about his choices and set him on the path to making him see the error of his ways (only for Sasuke to later comment on it after the fight), that would've worked too.

 
Yeah, Sakura could have be that specific about what she'd do because she can see the future. You remember Naruto said he'd come back with Sasuke to Kakakashi, right? How did that turn out?
 
You're upset about how Sakura fulfilled her goals. I get that. However, she said she would help and that's what she did. She's an accomplished character.
 
Sasuke was being redeemed ever since he left Konoha. If he had never seen Team 7 as his family in the first place, he would have never had that final speech. If Itachi hadn't put doubts in his heart, Sasuke would have never gone to Konoha to ask the Hokage about the truth. If Hashirama had never lectured him on Konoha history, he wouldn't have joined the alliance either. I see no point in defending SS, but Sakura was a part of Sasuke's redemption too.
 

Of course it is. Sakura's purpose to the overall story is a pretty common query made even more common by this ending. Outside the NS/SS base, she tends to be regarded as useless.

Sakura is the only one I'm bashing here because she is the character your comments pertain to. And yes, I'm saying Kishi has a sh-tty view on women. Unless you care to defend his belief that a woman is terrible for moving on and falling in love with someone else, I don't see anything to debate on that front.

 
The majority of the cast is seen as useless by the fanbase. I see no reason to specify towards Sakura. I see no reason to call Sakura useless in this thread, which pits Hinata against her either. Hinata is beyond useless. Her biggest accomplishment is to strugle at 17 about doing the same technique her cousin perfectly managed to at 13.

 

You're welcome to believe that, but I for one have a pretty good memory of events leading up to Sasuke apologizing. For example, I recall him repeatedly telling Naruto that Naruto was his only friend. I recall him showing no hesitation to try and kill Sakura on two separate occassions. I recall him bashing and belittling Sakura after the IT was set into effect. I recall him flat out telling Kakashi that there was no reason for him to love Sakura (or vice versa) and recall seeing no one offer a counter-argument to this (as if the author himself is admitting the problem with her character). You're right in that we're eventually told Sakura is important to him, but in light the aforementioned occurences, there's no transition to him having this belief. It's as if his characteristics were instantly rewritten.

 

Sasuke also said in the beginning of Shippuden that he had no problems in Orochimaru taking over his body and we know how well that turned out. Sasuke says a lot of things.

 

I get that. What I asked you was why Sasuke was her goal and how she achieved him? Do you know? And if you do know, can you inform us without speculating and by citing the manga? If not, I have no choice but to stand by everything I've said about her.

 

Sasuke was Sakura's goal in the beginning because she likes him? She achieved getting him because he thought that she was his family, due to sharing a team with him and going through rough spots with him. We know she achieved it because she got that forehead poke, got thanked for her feelings once more, and then had a kid with him.

 

Naruto being Hokage, when he knows nothing about compromise, patience or politics, is a much bigger mystery.




#696194 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 08 December 2014 - 10:38 PM in Konoha Theater

http://imgur.com/eb2CtCj

Wow. I've lost respect for Kotaku.

(I'm on my phone so I can't paste images, sorry for that.)

 

Kotaku was never good. I remember when they trashed many good games and the commentary section was filled with trolls. This was two years ago or so, when I used it last time. It seems like their bad taste keeps on going.

 

 

Just an update for everyone. :)

 

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And for anyone who would like to follow the chaos on their own; http://movies.yahoo.... MOVIE-/349882/

 

How pleasing.

 

NaruHina fans are saying that westerners are bringing the results down. Too bad there are no plans of doing so on this site and you need a japan id to register.

 

I don't understand what's so difficult to understand. The movie is about Hinata and NaruHina, nothing more. They may like that, but the rest of the fanbase won't care about it, and those who believed in the false advertisement will be twice as bitter about it.
 




#696165 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 08 December 2014 - 10:26 PM in Naruto General

Good for you. I think you've interpreted it exactly Kishimoto hoped. The manga ending must have been very satisfying for you.

 

The manga ending wasn't satisfying since it left many things to explain, but there is no point in making crazy theories that don't fit what was written. Why would you think Sakura is a failure or unhappy in chapter 700? Do you really think Kishi would have wrote such a story?

 

Sasuke's is on a 'mission?' Where'd you get that from? When he said he was leaving the village because he still had unanswered questions and had sins he needed to atone for? It's a personal quest. Nothing at all to do with the village. In fact there are no assurances he even cares about Konoha outside of his truce with Naruto. And Sakura is a single parent. That is what is explicitly shown. Sasuke is gone. He's not at Naruto's wedding, he's not there years later in the epilogue. 

 

Sasuke told Sakura that he'd come back for her when he was finished with his trip. You really think it's understandable that Sasuke would come back, make her pregnant and then leave for large amounts of time (or not be there at all)? Sasuke, who was big on family, and who considers Sakura (and Sarada) his family? Sasuke, who was genuinely sorry for making Sakura go through what he put her through? Sasuke, who said he needed to redeem himself before doing whatever he promised to his friends?

 

It is so strange to me that people justify this ending, which is the farthest stretch from the character Sakura had developed into, instead of looking at why, out of all the choices that Sakura could have been portrayed, that she was shown as cleaning house? I'll say it again, it was to neutralize her character so Hinata could be the heroine.

 

The ending was very rushed but that has nothing to do with your claims that Sakura's a housewife or that Sasuke is an absent father.

 

You would have complained if Sakura was the one on the cemetery or the one serving tea to someone.

 

Let me repeat what I said earlier: If you were to construct a scenario that would best marginalize and undermine Sakura's power, then it would look like Kishimoto's ending.

 

It's said that the times are different. Nobody is doing any mission besides maybe Sasuke. Sakura has her yin seal too. There is no marginalization.

 

Don't waste my time with this drivel about Sakura meeting her goals. Sasuke tried to kill her twice, and there was absolutely no redemption for him or explanation for her love. It was all a set up for the movie.

 

But believe what you want. I think you are just the fan Kishimoto is looking for. 

 

You don't get to say to stop wasting your time when you spend none answering.

 

 

I'm sure the "single mother" is figurative, but it's a valid point. Clearly Salada misses her father because he is often absent.

 

That is not the case. Kishi made Sarada understand Bolt, who has his father in the village all the time. It's the parents being busy with the new era.
 

As to Sakura dusting not being evidence of her being a housewife--nonsense. This is the last time we see her. If we were meant to think she was still working as a doctor in the hospital or whatever she might do in a peaceful world, it could have been shown. It wasn't. This is intentional. We know all we need to about Lee from a single panel. Sakura had many, but we're supposed to assume she's more than they portray? Does that mean Temari and Hinata just happen to be off from work in the afternoon, too? Sorry, but I don't buy it.

 

What's so different between Sakura still having her yin seal and Lee been shown training?

 

These gals could have been shown doing any number of other things, but they weren't. There's no reason, no even Sakura's yin seal, to assume they're more than what they appeared--housewives. After all, Tsunade had her seal when she was nothing but a drunk gambler. Having the power doesn't mean you use it.

 

Tsunade said she had been developing the yin seal while she was a drunk gambler though. Even if she wasn't doing missions and was somewhat rusty because of it, she was still a ninja and she still behaved like a ninja.

 

 

And it is true, considering Sakura also wanted to support Naruto's dream to be Hokage, yet we don't even see that, or a resolution, a PROPER one, of her feelings for him, just the fact that he's with Hinata so by proxy, she's gotta be with Sasuke for some dumb reason. =/

 

Sakura said she'd protect his dream, but Naruto is already Hokage in 700.

 

 

 

Multiple ways. The most obvious being that she plays no real role in bringing Sasuke back. Naruto does that all on his own. This was Sakura's stated goal at the end of part 1 (for her and Naruto to bring Sasuke back together) and she never delivers. She heals Sasuke, but Naruto had already brought him back to the life side, so it didn't matter (not to mention that Naruto somehow forgot about his new superior healing powers).

 

When Sasuke thinks back on his life on chapter 698, he purposelly says that Naruto wasn't enough and he only changed when they were part of team 7. If Sakura hadn't gone to the Valley of the End and healed him, despite him being a huge kitten to her, he would have died. Sasuke apologises to Sakura and promises to come back to her. She's important to him.

 

But that's just a surface level issue. The real issue is that she doesn't develop and never justifies her presence in this manga. You say romance isn't the point of Sakura's. I agree with this, but what is the point? What does Sakura bring to the table?

 

Is this and everything that come after a serious question and a serious commentary?

 

 

It's not so much that she's cleaning her house; it's that this is all we see her doing and really all we have to go by. If she's revealed to be doing more than that later on, that's great, but given Kishi's treatment of women in general throughout this manga, I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

Sakura is shown on one page. There's more to her life that one page.

 

Oh, you're saying that Kishi's treatment of women is kitten? That's cool, but why is Sakura the only one that gets to be bashed then?

 

Okay, lets think about that. Why was this her goal? Can you answer that by citing the manga and without speculation? Also, how did she achieve her goal? Sasuke simply gives her the "ultimate expression of love" all of the sudden. She doesn't lift a finger to make it happen. Would you be satisfied if Naruto went from a nobody to being hokage instantly without him having to do anything of substance?

 

Sakura's goal is Sasuke, helping and protecting her teammates. She did all of them.

 

And yeah, Sakura did fail all right. She failed to bring Sasuke back with Naruto.This was her stated goal and drove much of the plot in part 2. Naruto did it on his own. All Sakura did was cry, get fodderized by genjutsu and then come back and keep appearances after Naruto did all the work.

 

When Sasuke thinks back on his life on chapter 698, he purposelly says that Naruto wasn't enough and he only changed when they were part of team 7. If Sakura hadn't gone to the Valley of the End and healed him, despite him being a huge kitten to her, he would have died. Sasuke apologises to Sakura and promises to come back to her. She's important to him.
 

One could only hope.

Somehow, I doubt you're being sincere.




#694177 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 07 December 2014 - 11:51 PM in Naruto General

 

The last scene shows Sakura as the happy housewife. She's not even concerned about the meeting that all the other rookies are talking about. She's dusting. And not even like some kick-ass shinobi. The visual takeaway is that she's a maid/housekeeper. 

 

Sakura is cleaning her house, but she has her yin seal and her clothes aren't very housewife material. Unless you have a maid, you also clean your house. I'm not a woman and I have a maid, and I still clean my house from time to time. If there's anyone who quit being a ninja, it would be these characters, not Sakura who still her her yin seal: Hinata babysitting her child and visiting her cousin in the cemetery, Tenten is a shop keeper, Temari is serving tea to her brother.

 

The only rookie who cares about the Kage Summit is Shikamaru. The other rookies don't care about it. Shino is at the academy teaching. Hinata is at the graveyard and doesn't speak of her husband's meeting either. Ino, Sai, Chouji and Karui are in a training field hoping to train their kids. Temari is at home with her brothers, Lee is training and TenTen is playing shop owner. Sasuke is doing something elsewhere. Even from the kids, only Bolt cares. It's a point that nobody else cares. He tries to recruit them and they all find more interesting things to do. And he only cares because he's jealous, not because the Summit is important..

 

There is nobody doing kick-ass ninja stuff. it's a point of the epilogue that things are not the same as beforeto need training. Even Sasuke on a mission is just walking around. Shino is teaching, Lee is training, and Ino and Chouji (along their respective partners) are at a place where they're going to train. I don't see the difference between them and Sakura still having her yin seal. It implies they're all on active duty, even if they're not doing anything ninja at the moment.

 

NONE OF THIS was her goal. To be a single mother and basically a civilian? She punched a goddess. And now she is cleaning house. She's not shown as a doctor again in the manga or in the movie, and her one moment performing healing in the field on Naruto isn't even acknowledge. She's a plot device in the NaruHina love story.

 

Sakura's goal was to make Sasuke accept her, train so she wouldn't be left behind and protect her teammates. She did all of that and in the epilogue, she's with Sasuke, an d she still has her yin seal. What goal did Sakura fail at exacly?

 

Where does it say Sakura's a single mother? Sasuke is on a mission,not absent. There are Uchiha fans on the bookcase Sakura is cleaning, and Sarada calls Sasuke her papa (not formally, but affectionately). And Sasuke was big on family, thinks Sakura is his family, now has a family, and you think he'd be an absent father? NaruHina and ShikaTema aren't shown together either, are they single parents too?

 


And SS? Her happy ending? Non-existant. Not once is she shown with a happy or normal or fulfilling relationship with Sasuke. Know why? Because that would take the limelight away from NH. They didn't even show him in The Black Wedding photo. Why??? It doesn't make sense, except that showing Sakura's love for another would make Naruto look less like a hero. Because winning Sakura's affection was the goal he couldn't reach. He gave up. So consequently Sakura is sentenced to a long distance relationship.

 

That's how she was robbed of an ending, a resolution to her character that is in keeping with her goals and development toward those goals. It didn't happen.

 

Honestly, if you were to construct a scenario that marginalize and undermined Sakura power, just for the hell of it, it would come out looking like Kishimoto's ending for her. And now we all know why: she's no longer the heroine. And he needed to make sure everyone knew that so she would not be a threat to the NH lovefest to come.

 

That's cool, but the anime is not the manga.




#694103 Junko done voicing Naruto?

Posted by shisui on 07 December 2014 - 11:06 PM in Naruto General

I don't think Junko's angry as some make her out to be. It would also be improper for her to stop voicing Naruto. Voice actors are a thing in Japan. Now Junko saying she wanted to voice Naruto's kid to the director and Kishi herself, but now declining (or being declined) to voice Bolt is suspicious.




#694075 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 07 December 2014 - 10:53 PM in Naruto General

How did Kishi rob Sakura of an ending?

 

If it wasn't for her, those two morons would have died. Sasuke put her in a genjutsu so she wouldn't interfere and Naruto told Kakashi that he'd come back soon. By going there, Kakashi and Sakura were their own characters, indepedent of what those two wanted. This time Kakashi wasn't late and Sakura protected them both.

 

Sakura's character wasn't about Naruto alone and it wasn't about her romantic feelings for him either. Your pairing preferences may be sound, but it doesn't take away that Sakura's character was in no way robbed of anything.




#690453 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 06 December 2014 - 12:59 PM in Naruto General

At this point I'd of preferred them to die on the mountain top. What we've gotten instead is nothing less then NH/SS worst level of fan fiction with the canon label applied to it.

 

I like Sakura. I want her to prevail. Them dying would make her a failure by her own nindo, so no thanks.




#688894 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 06 December 2014 - 02:34 AM in Konoha Theater

Brace yourselves, I've been informed that there are screenshots of the kiss already.

 

Also, according to reddit thread, the NaruHina one shot is about Naruto and Hinata having a date at the ramen store and Naruto has no money, so Hinata has to pay for it (and she's not happy).




#688099 Who's the heroine? Sakura or Hinata?

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 10:34 PM in Naruto General

She's not a heroine. She's not a character that drives the plot or is a key factor in the Mangas story.

 

If Sakura wasn't there in 699, Naruto and Sasuke would have died from bloodloss, for example. What has Hinata driven? Naruto's kitten off screen sure, but other than that?
 




#688072 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 10:27 PM in Konoha Theater

may get your wish. Barring confirmation sales are declining on pre order tickets as people cancel.

 

 

 

Well, reservation sales are down the tubes and there's a few good cancellations so so far it looks alright.

 

Is there a source for this or are you two just trying bringing up the morale?
 




#687043 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 02:12 PM in Konoha Theater

@shisui
NS is dead at this point. And kishi try to erase it from canon existence because nh will become silver medal if not worse at this point.

Anyway does it mean he mean in that interview that nh is decide since part 1?

 

The confession from Sakura to Naruto was made because Kishi thought it wouldn't fit Sakura's character to move from Sasuke to Naruto, which happened in chapter 469. Kushina, as Sakura parallel, was introduced in chapter 400 or so.

 

 

I want someone to ask kishimoto
"what yamato wanted to say to Sakura back at the tenchi bridge? "
I want to see what kinda of BS will he come up with

 

I believed NaruSaku had a chance in those days, but I never thought Yamato was talking about romantic feelings. I've always been more of casual shipper though.




#686975 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 01:43 PM in Konoha Theater

New kishi interview

http://eiga.com/movie/79681/interview/

Trans:

Naruto ending up with Hinata was decided in the very early stages of the story.
Naruto being close to Sakura was a deliberate mislead, thats why the scenes of Sakura being compared to Kushina were introduced.
The Last Movie is not only the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata, but it is the story of Sakura & Naruto parting ways.
He felt the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata has to be propely explained, or it wouldnt be fair to the readers. Thats why the Last Movie exists.

^is this really what Kishi said?? If so I'll throw up. He just wanted to keep us interested..
If nh was decided sooo early then why was there barely any interactions?!

 

The Kushina and Sakura parallel did exist and NaruSaku fans weren't imagining it. Poor NaruHina fans who always said it didn't exist.

 

Naruto did love Sakura during the series, he loved her for 699 chapters. Even if those feelings were retconned as shallow, Hinata isn't Naruto's first love like the movie tries to sell. Poor NaruHina fans who said otherwise.

 

NaruHina had no resolution in the manga, needed a movie to explain it, where Kishi himself says he falls in love in. It's confirmation that all that development in the manga was platonic from Naruto's side. Poor NaruHina fans who said he was already in love with her during the series.

 

It's bittersweet. NaruSaku doesn't look well, but neither does NaruHina.




#686792 NH/SS fans reaction to the ending.

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 12:22 PM in Naruto General

Summary:

 

699 & 700: NaruHina fans were upset that there were no moments and no resolution for them. SasuSaku were 100% happpy about the moments and the resolution they got.

 

Movie: NaruHina fans, due to being upset about the manga's ending, latch onto it as if its their unborn child. SasuSaku fans are upset because there is no Sasuke, SasuSaku or team 7 (can't blame them).




#686769 Rants on Hinata

Posted by shisui on 05 December 2014 - 12:09 PM in Naruto General

Hinata is a problem not for those reasons..

 

Hinata's a secondary character, however the anime team has put the other three main characters (or what the manga saw as main characters), Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi in the back burner. Stripped to its essence, the story of part 2 is about getting Sasuke to go back in the Leaf again and for him to accept his team 7 bonds. He has a 20 second appearance in the last movie, Kakashi doesn't have much else, and all Sakura does is being a NH matchmaker.

 

Hinata has nothing about her character except being Naruto's love interest and it's bad filler everytime the anime team tries to branch her outside of this because it doesn't fit with her canon portrayal. I know this may burn some of the more sensitive members here, but Naruto's love life was never much focused on the manga besides one or two moments, it isn't what his character was about either. The conflict and plot of the manga, the cycle of hatred and the darkness of the Leaf, what Naruto's character is about as well... none of it has anything to do with her.

 

The last movie of the franchise should have focused on team 7 and the problems of the ninja world post-war. It could have had NaruHina, but it shouldn't have been the focus, let alone all that the characters and the movie revolved around. However, all the other Naruto movies were bad too, so this one fits. The point is though, this isn't a proper sendoff to the series.

 

This movie is yet another example of how bad this series lost focus and direction in these past few years. Many don't like the last volume, especially not chapter 699 and 700, but they fit the focus and direction of the early sieries. It's not surprising that the last chapters have been planned a long time ago and have remained relatively on point of what the series was about and relatively Hinata-free. Notice how Hinata and NaruHina has one panel during all that. This is the amount of her importance, but the anime team doesn't understand this, and pushes fanservice for her instead. She's becoming a scrappy by anyone who isn't a Hinata or NaruHina fan.




#679711 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 30 November 2014 - 03:18 PM in Konoha Theater

This movie is also a generic princess movie, just swapping the original character princess of the day to Hinata. According to the spoilers, it doesn't touch on Naruto and Hinata as we knew them from the manga.




#679708 Rants on Hinata

Posted by shisui on 30 November 2014 - 03:11 PM in Naruto General

I really don't feel sorry for any of you people.

 

A Sonic hater and a Sakura hater, as if I care about your feelings.
 




#678665 The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie

Posted by shisui on 29 November 2014 - 02:26 PM in Konoha Theater

There's nothing stopping Kishi from having a secondary character as favorite. I believe he said Anko and B were favorites in interviews. However, when asked who to put Naruto with, he didn't say anything about Hinata's worth, he talked about Sakura instead. If Hinata was his favorite, he would have said something nice about her. So I'm not convinced Hinata is his favorite female. I won't say it's Sakura either, but it's certainly not Hinata.