How can they think Naruto see sakura as sister when he obliviously love her. I mean it's a love triangle. It's like denying Sakuragi and guts feeling by telling it just sibling love.

I know Some people like to see their relationship like that. But Naruto doesn't see sakura as sister. She's his love interest. Unless Naruto doesn't love sakura since the beginning or Kishi make Naruto stop loving sakura 200 chapters before the ending.

Does anyone notice the similarity to Hermione and Harry? I know, many people think Hermione and Ron are soulmates, but I think she always liked Harry more. Still, the fandom thinks they are just "like siblings" and it's good that they didn't end up together. But Ron actually doesn't deserve Hermione, I think. 

The problem with Harry and Hermione is that Harry doesn't love Hermione and vice Versa. Thus it's kinda justify. While i agree that they have great chemistry. If only they have romantic Arrow.

I always think that Ron is the Harry Potter sakura. Even though he doesn't become fandom punching bag.

That's why Naruto can't be called as sibling love because Naruto has romantic feeling to sakura.

There was a video bringing up how every pairing in Naruto was incest because of this.

They're pretty much become distant after so many generation that interbred for so long. So it Will not be count incest when Hinata married one of the clan member.

Anyway does Hyuga and then byakugan become Relevant in burito manga? If not than what's the point of Naruto married Hinata if byakugan Will not be use?

 
But this also means that Kaguya's descenedents eventually managed to breed their genes into the entire population of the ninja world. Chakra isn't just something a few special people have, it's something that everyone NEEDS in order to live. Their bodies are dependent on it even if they can't properly use it.
 
This also brings into question how bloodline traits work. I'm going to guess it's something like the Kouga Ninja Scrolls, were people were bred for certain abilities. Which would mean that the Byakugan and the Sharingan, being exclusive to their clans, are proof of how interbred those clans clans are.

Chakra is basically soul while ninjutsu is pretty much magic.

And all being have chakra aka soul or else the cat Will not get ET. Or how frog capable to perform water magic attack.

Bloodline trait is Kishi after thought. He just make it in wave arc. That's why almost all bloodline limit are double elemental mix while there are only 3 non element bloodline limit such as sharingan, byakugan, and Kaguya clan Bone. Rinnegan itself is just sharingan evolution.

I think sharingan should give the body increase streght when activate. They're really weak when i think about it. Kinda like kurapika Scarlett eye.

The Tree of Might / Tree of Knowledge symbolism is lame too.

Next thing you know, we'll get a retcon saying Kaguya only ate the fruit because a serpent, that we later find out is Orochimaru's ancestor, tricked her into doing so.

I always thougt when she eat the fruit Kishi rip off from Adam and eve story. Heck the whole brother vs brother is like Cain and Abel.

I Will not surprise if he just do that.

You know I find it ASTONISHING how double standard Naruto readers are with Sakura compared to the attitudes of other and even worse tsunderes. Anything other tsunderes do are more tolerated if still not liked, but Sakura is treated like evil incarnate for treating Naruto like anyone else treats him, when in fact she does not show hateful disdain for him like most of the village, she just thinks he's is an annoying prank-filled loser that is not cool and Handsome like Sasuke. And that stems from the petty reason that most are not even willing to let go of that first impression because they over sympathize with Naruto's tragic back story and think Sakura does not understand him, when she bonds with and grows closer to him through out the series. That said, the way she was written just to prolong the kittening love triangle did her no favours, that can not be denied.
 
On the flip side, Hinata does not even attempt to bond with or get closer to Naruto but Her hierophants think that they are a match in heaven just because Hinata is crushing on the social pariah and that makes her "entitled" to him.

While this thing discuss so many time, i really love sakura discussion.

Sakura is the most hate character bar none. Part of it because she's tsundere or violence girl, useless, weak/cry, love Sasuke, hate Naruto, and she's in the threat for nh. It's the combination of all the above.

For tsundere, as a wholesale (in fandom), usually you either hate her or love her. There's those who doesn't care but it's not much.

Tsundere from another media usually has thing to balance their annoying trait. Like Asuka from Evangelion who kick ass, kagome story focus, generic modern tsundere character who secretly like the male character like Mikasa mikoto from index, sana who has all of it. And many more. Oh and Rin from fate franchise.

For sakura since her first impression is bad and author doesn't develop her story, it make fans as whole doesn't change their opinion. Sakura is a character who need character development. the author know that but he's not consistent with it. I think post chunin Exam arc, sakura has good character development which may or may not coincidence with ns development. But it doesn't address one of the biggest sakura problem, her weak and useless. Only on the part 2 Kishi address it by giving her Tsunade move set. But he doesn't continue it and that's a bad news for sakura like character. And then land of iron arc happen, sakura popularity Plummet, and Hinata become more popular, and Kishi change his mind.

While Hinata is not relevant to the plot. Her popularity among fan, assisten, and studio pierot staff are the biggest contributor for nh to happen. And i understand where that come from. Hinata doesn't do what sakura did in the beginning of Naruto thus setting up her character (intentionally or not) to be "better" in the eye of her fan and most netral. I mean when you have female blogger support Hinata and therefor nh, you know how hard sakura position.

On top of that since she rarely write by Kishi she is shelter by Kishi horrible writing unlike sakura (and Naruto).

I'm actually amazed Ino didn't have a bigger perverted fanbase. Sure, her boobs weren't as big, but she revealed a decent amount of skin. 

Ino actually has big boobs. While not as big as Hinata, her personality is kind of like sakura. She's a kitten and like Sasuke. And i don't think Kishi truly sexualize her.

I think in Naruto if you want to be popular, the character need to lick Naruto ass or powerful .

@halfdemoninuyasha

Why should Hinata kindes and kitten Will make her lose again sakura?
This is not different than hinata win again sakura in part 2 just because she's Hyuga.

This sakura is not from part 2. Yes she's kind of durable and smart but she's not a battle smart. She's book smart. And durability Will only make you so far if you fight again someone who also doesn't have any Jutsu or advance battle style.

This Will give disadvantage for sakura despite all the weakness of hinta because she has jyuken and byakugan. It's simple math.

Oh yeah, i forget to say that sakura draw again Ino because of Naruto encouragement.

So Part 1 Sakura fights Part 1 Hinata. Sakura throws kunai at Hinata, to which Hinata uses Kaiten. So Sakura throws a shuriken at Hinata and Hinata then uses Kaiten. Sakura throws a love note she got from Naruto at Hinata, etc. So Hinata is exhausting herself while Sakura expends no energy at all. Then when Sakura throws her very last projectile she can go pick them up again while Hinata is winding up to use Kaiten or using Kaiten or recovering from Kaiten. It just seems absolutely worthless.

Hinata can't use kaiten even until the end of Naruto. The only Hyuga who ever show to do that are Neji and hiasi. Heck Hinata can't even closed tenketsu. Hinata is weak even for Hyuga standar.

But even so, i Will not make claim that sakura Will win because unlike sakura, Hinata has gentle fist(jyuken).
This is part 1. Sakura is incredibly weak despite having more combat potential.

Throwing kunai is what ordinary ninja do, but sakura is not tenten who is the weapon specialized. And byakugan give Hinata better preception.

All in all if kishi give sakura a Jutsu or two in part 1, I Will guarantee you that all the talk about sakura bring useless Will be reduce.

I totally agree and also the fact she has better will power than Hinata. This is shown by that she was able to overcome Ino's Mind Transfer jutsu and beating an Yamanaka's jutsu is not a small feat. With Part 2 Sakura it wouldn't even be a sparring match because it would only take one punch to knock Hinata out. Sakura is the female version of One Punch Man in this series. I don't care how powerful you are because if you get hit by that, good luck getting up.

Sorry but Ino should win the fight. I think if kishi give sakura a Jutsu, i Will put my money on sakura.

@drk
Kaiten only good again projectile. They're not a strong defensif technique.
I don't think it can stop chakra attack since it Will blow up like Naruto vs Neji.

So kaiten is good again weapon user and non gate taijutsu user.

 
That's where you're wrong Hinata has no motivation to fight ANYONE unless Naruto is cheering her on, (that is what happened with Neji where Hinata mistook Naruto telling her not to lose because of him looking down on hard work and over coming what status you are born to as him directly encouraging her) so even though Sakura doesn't have any  technique doesn't mean she can't win because at least she will be determined to fight where as Hinata probably won't be. You look down on part I Sakura too much and over praise Hinata

No, i don't look down at anyone. I just see what it is.

You are not different than the Hinata fan who said that Hinata Will win in part 2 especially war arc because she's a Hyuga.

You are the one who overpraise sakura. Part 1 Sakura has no combat ability outside of basic ninja training. Do you think a genin with no combat ninjutsu Will win again a Hyuga?

Hinata is bad fighter but sakura in part 1 is worse, despite sakura having more combat potential.

Rukuwa from Slam Dunk?

Yes.

50 to 60% of Sasuke character is based on rukawa character. I mean rukawa is pretty much one of the best rival character. His character is antitesis to Sakuragi character.

I believe rukawa character shape up what i called dark brooding rival character. Basically the Lancer.

Sasuke is always a person who is easily manipulated by people and their ideals, so to me he was always consistent because he couldn't think for himself. The only time he had his own idea was really at the end when he wanted to control the world and it make it in his image but I don't know if I should count it because it was similar to Madara's. All I know is that Sasuke was never original in anything he did. To me, he doesn't deserve his popularity.

Sasuke is poorman rukawa.

Sakura turn out to be a senju is the great asspull and at the same time the great waste potential in the manga. Eventhough I will not surprise they will pull something like that in order to make salad relevant since naruto benchmark is planet buster and burito will end up the same with the space alien.

It also will betray sakura character from ordinary girl who happen to have genjutsu potential and perfect chakra control into a powerful wate potential. Not that they care about it.

Would have sucked if she had one of the most powerful genes on the planet and have their only use be passing em off to her kid. 

It's not only sucked. It's in furious especially if you're sakura fan who always battling her anti who accuse her as useless.

I bet kishi come out and said "well I always plan it from the beginning"

If that happen. It will be a serious implication for overall story.

But I really doubt they will make it happen. Right?

@bail
If she's strong and kickass the fandom will like her. It will make her a cool girl like mikasa minus her eren obsession. And her banter with burito will be justify and interesting than curent salad. One of the reason why narusasu doesn't happen because it's a gay pairing. If sasuke is female, it will be canon now.

I hear that the cone in manga behave differently than the anime. The manga make her like a slut while the anime make her like Hinata.

Personally I would rather have sasuke child as male than female.

There will people who will read kishi new work.
Whatever it will be a hit or miss is another story.

They can't or doesn't want to create new conflict because fear of rejection so they recycle the plot to play save.

@yyubei
It's ninja magic. That's why real world logic doesn't necessary work.

@shasank
Nice

Madara has healing factor thanks to hashirama and that's why he can plug in his eye easily. again ninja magic

I think the biggest sin kishi did with madara is how he can't write to defeat him when author like kubo could do that with aizen.

Definitely but like I said NH is worse because making NH canon killed the entire franchise. SS only happened because NH had to happen

In order for nh to become Canon, ss need to happen first. That is from narative point of Naruto story.
That is why ss become "Canon" in chapter 699 with the brotherly forehead poke.

Sakura is a threat that need to be eliminated one way or another.

But as we all know, the best is FF9. ;)

Preach brother.

@james
Zack is more "Naruto"-esque than cloud, since cloud is a shy character for jrpg MC.

I agree that sakura is more like combination of aerith healing and tifa brawling fighting style aka punchy.

I think the problem with ff7 is that, it's kinda ambigue and have no resolution video game wise.

I think it kinda funny that cloud is pretty much a tifa stlaker.

Hinata is like sakura Mato from fate stay night albeit less suffering than her and more shy. I don't think she's that special even among moe character. What make her stand out is sakura (the most hate female character), Hyuga hype, lack of appearance, oppai, and the only girl that treat Naruto good and love him.

I don't care if it's Canon or not, Last Order was beautiful

I like advant children more.

Using ff8 as comparision. It has reverse team 7 love triangle.

Well even disregarding that.How did Madara acivate Susanoo without any eyes when Susanoo is a MS specific ability? So let's face it Kishimoto doesn't know how to defeat Madara because "he doesn't know what he is doing". He's forgetting the "rules" of his own universe

With explanation it will more acceptable. But since kishi explain nothing, it is bs asspull.

Its almost always the first guy the protagonist meets and about 65% of the time he happens to be "bad" but hes not really bad just misunderstood!

Ss argument in nutshell.

@james

I think it much more better written since the author give reasoning and resolution regardless wherever the fan might like it or not unlike naruto who pretty much hand wave it rather than show and resolve the romantic subplot.

it really hard to make decision over true love triangle, when the two guys has the same point. The solution is pretty much throwing a dart on who will be paired.
Kind of like orange manga/anime.