Naruto 630

Huh...



I know this doesn't have anything to do with Naruto but it's very possible for pairing resolutions or love to bloom on the battlefield.
So, don't count out the possibility because it may happen.

Edited by VTamer Taichi, 16 May 2013 - 01:08 AM.

Is that anime?

Valkyria Chronicles, it's a game for Playstation 3 but it was made into an anime later on, so yes and no.
The video though is from the game.

Edited by neoshadow, 16 May 2013 - 01:16 AM.

Ow ok thanks for the info ^^

Yes, it would. It's just fun to imagine. It could also be another way of redefining the ninja system.

Edited by TerrorKing, 16 May 2013 - 01:20 AM.

Oh believe me, people were claiming NH was canon because when these 2 were paired together in this game and its predecessor (UNS2) Naruto and Hinata on the same team creates the team "Secret Lovers" and they all thought this meant canon and that they loved each other, ignoring the fact that Naruto and Hinata each had a crush on another. I mean Naruto and Sasuke on the same team creates "Best friends" even though Sasuke as a "friend" was out to kill everyone in both these games.

In game Sakura is a good character and easy to combo with, her biggest threat is in stages with knockout, her throw is literally leathal, I just break the barrier and many times when people try to knock me out, as Sakura, I sub or stun them, my back is facing the outer ring, but Sakura's throw hurls them in the direction her back is facing, basically I have Sakura hurl them out of the ring and this pisses so many people off. I typically find myself using Kakashi, Roshi, Yugito, Mifune, Kakuzu, Asuma, and Deidara ( Deidara is one of the most hated online due to his range!) but I use our Naruto (9 tails chakra) and Sakura from time to time and well people never expect Sakura and when I see Hinata, people sometimes go oh this will be easy, but I do a dirty tactic. I let them get me caught in Hinatas trigrams or fake them out and avoid it by a one simple step, then I strike at the one moment Hinata cannot defend, the moment her defense ends. Its funny how many times I play as Sakura and end up against Hinata, I don't even lose to Hinata when I play as Sakura as much, I only remember 3 or so times I lost to someone as Hinata when I was Sakura, but then again they had either edo Itachi or Hashirama to help her. I think one of my funniest matches was I played as part 1 sakura for the hell of it, went up against someone playing as Madara, I was getting thrashed, but I made a comeback and finished them with Sakura's real demon! I told the person, yeah you are great as Madara, but I'll unleash a REAL DEMON, face it, Inner Sakura is the true almighty demon of the series, Naruto would rather face the ten tails anyday then face Sakura angry!

Its just really sad how bad the hate goes, even to other media. This is just one chapter? Geez, I mean many of us are hoping for a NS-MK relation by Minato but even just one chapter, they get all angry, we at least remained claim. They made a huge deal over RtN even though it was non-canon, now just look at today, one chapter, a good one for Sakura, they take offense to it, they get angry. Its really this sad to see just how fragile some in a fanbase are, its like they cannot stand us to be happy for once. We were okay once 615 passed, we didn't carry it out once the dust cleared and it came to 616. We know naruto-minato stuff will happen next week, Sakura-minato too, but if this is the start, I just wonder how long before they attack in rage at this site I mean its just insane how bad these pairing wars can begin. This was not even something harming their pairing and some go all north korean like, acting all angry and threatening others when we arn't going to do anything! If this is just the start of things, what will happen if NS actually comes true? I'm literally afraid to ask.

The next generation stepping up.... Shikamaru stepping up to fill his father's shoes, Ino doing the same, and Sakura also channeling a bit of Tsunade-as-Hokage as well, similar to during the Pein invasion.


...Also, isn't it sad that Kishi's pulling off the Obito-Kakashi talk better than Sasuke's talk with Hashirama?

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 16 May 2013 - 01:30 AM.

I think it's different, even more when the focus of the war in Naruto isn't romance. The actual romance is something like a bonus. Well, at least, i don't see Naruto running and forgeting everyone else that is there to save Sakura or Hinata... And if he does, this would take an route soooooo different from the actual meaning of this war... And from the meaning of the manga, too! He's acting in group, or better, they all are acting like a group. It's not a situation to develop relationships, it's to survive and change the course of the world to not fall in a complete illusion.

Also, since I just read 629, that panel with the 9 Beasts and eventually the RIKUDO SENNIN appearing behind Naruto was AWESOME.

Logically, it would be highly beneficial to have Shikamaru involved in such a fight, but considering the intimacy of the Sasuke and Team 7 relationship any outside parties assisting beyond providing moral support would feel inappropriate. I do not even believe that Sai or Yamato having involvement in the fight would appear befitting since this is related to the original Team 7. Sai and Yamato were merely replacements when Sasuke and Kakashi were unavailable to assume their roles. Granted, they have developed their own unique positions on the team but that does not negate the reality of the Sasuke dynamic having little relevance to them as they were assigned after he had already defected.



That is why I created a few particular hypothetical situations where she may be able to contribute in some capacity. Sakura could assist with providing the occasional unsuspecting offensive attack that would damage Sasuke's Susanoo which would allow Naruto to strike at Sasuke directly or should Naruto be rendered temporarily unable to fight Sakura could intervene at some point when both sides have exhausted all of their resources beyond their fundamental capabilities.

Sakura can be as dedicated and emotionally objective as need be but what physical benefit does it have if you are only going to burst forth and perish because of lack of an actual battle strategy or the skills necessary to counteract any and all of Sasuke's techniques? Beyond the aforementioned prospect of Sakura acquiring an unforeseen power enhancement such as Slug Sage Mode, she would only act as more of a detriment than an asset in a combat situation.



A sudden shift in loyalties due to Madara's influence is one potential reason? Remember that one critical aspect of Sasuke's personality is that his mind and emotions are considered to be a "blank canvas", he can be influenced by anyone should they provide the necessary motivations or words to make him alter his perspective yet again. Then there's ideological divergences when aspiring to defend Konoha that could be another reason as others have hypothesized. Then of course there is the possible development of Sasuke wishing to acquire the position of Hokage which may compel the two rivals to fight in a battle that determines who becomes the 6th (or the 7th if you consider Danzo to be the 6th)



Yes, but I will not completely deny the potentiality of him defecting. Anything is possible.



Acted as a scout during the Itachi Pursuit Arc, assisted in protecting Naruto from the Mokuton stakes, and put his shoulder back into place. They're relatively minor accomplishments but I also consider the emotional ones as well since we tend to do the same with Sakura. I would rather not appear as a hypocrite to others for failing to acknowledge those sorts of contributions.



You are accurate in this statement but think to yourself, what physical benefit could she possibly provide now? Her supplications to Sasuke for him to relent in his murderous pursuits have continually fallen upon deaf ears. If she is unable to verbally influence him and if she cannot physically assist due to her comparatively inefficient combat skills for such a destructive battle then what role could she possibly act in? Any reinforcement she can offer will likely come in the form of encouragement to Naruto or as a restorative supplement to her teammate; if that even occurs at all. Remember that Kishimoto has greatly disappointed all fandoms during the course of the manga.



This is true. No matter what her intentions may be or or if she in fact effectuates any significant contributions to the characters or the plot they will continue to demean her; hence my previous assertion it appears to be a proclivity for them to berate her character.



I believe that the reasoning for this perspective of thinking is related to Sakura's lack of any enormous conflicts that she participated in as a combatant. Keep in mind that these people surmise the worth of a character by their general battle efficiency. However, that does present the peculiarity of why they value Hinata's existence so much when she has remained almost non-existent throughout the totality of the manga until recently; even with the battle against the Jubi her role as a participant in the battle has been comparatively inconsequential.




Oh, I have little uncertainty that they would berate Sakura for her emotions when related to Sasuke or her "incompetence" as a heroine (in a manga where the author is a self-proclaimed ignoramus on the matter of creating female heroes or female characters in general). Even without her symbolism as the impediment to everything that these people dedicate themselves to in regards to pairings they would persist in criticizing as it has become a "humourous normality" to them.



Well no one is perfect in opinion or action, Kishimoto is no different. If he defines a heroine as an individual who has been generally inefficient with maintaining an equal amount of focus to that of her male teammates or someone who's status as a main character is being constantly centred upon as a contentious issue of debate then I'm afraid our opinions diverge from here. Kishi's handling of Sakura's character is of a very questionable quality, I believe I speak not just for myself when stating that many of us were hoping for so much more from her than what we received.



The confession segment of her efforts is not my concern, it's her actions of attempting to protect Naruto and presumably being killed which inadvertently resulted in Naruto being released from Pain's grasp. Yes, it could very well have resulted in the destruction of not just Konoha but the Land of Fire entirely but it did not thanks to Minato's efforts. Her actions did yield an unintentional positive effect. That, I cannot deny because had she not intervened... Well, I believe I already provided my thoughts as to what would occur if Naruto did not transform into 6TK.



This, I am in agreement with. There were a myriad of alternative approaches that she could have taken which may have actually proved to be directly beneficial in helping Naruto. She could have attempted to remove the rods, but then you have to consider what practical benefit there would be to Naruto being released in the condition that he was in. Remember that Fukasaku had just been murdered and Shima was incapacitated. If Naruto was freed then he would be without SM or any practical means of stopping Pain; barring of course the reproduction of following events where Naruto was able to endure God Realm's ST using a multitude of clones and then be propelled at him with a Rasengan in hand. But then you have the issue of how and why Naruto would produce those clones when considering the different circumstances such as the availability of reacquiring SM if he is able to reach the summoning scroll in time, the relatively flat terrain which would hinder the concealment of mass amounts of clone, and Nagato's larger amount of stamina due to not having utilized Chibaku Tensei prior. Who is to claim that Naruto would not endeavour to try and make an effort for the scroll whilst Hinata preoccupies Pain? If she is injured then the same result with 6TK being unleashed would be realized and events would play out as they did.

There are so many factors that you have to take into consideration when hypothesizing about these alternative outcomes that it becomes an almost impossible endeavour.



Sakura does have her ignorant moments as well. Despite her benevolent intentions when attempting to reason with Naruto when he was in 4TK mode it was very impracticable when considering that the beast before her was immensely more powerful than she was and that Naruto had lost all mentality and consciousness when he surpassed the 3TK state. Please do not mistake my implications. I do believe that she is a very meaningful hero in regards to emotional relations with others. However, there is a fine line between dedication and stupidity. Her actions with the 4TK were of an intermixed quality but there have been other instances where she has committed actions of both qualities.



Yes, and if Hinata had not intervened Pain would have likely successfully returned to the Akatsuki lair with Naruto in tow. I already provided my personal interpretation as to how events would transpire if Naruto did not become the 6TK. The intended ambiance of my hypothetical timeline was that, to be frank, the situation would be much worse than it became with Hinata's interference. Konoha would remain in the ravaged state that it was with much of its population forever gone, its infrastructure completely crippled, and one of their most powerful shinobi permanently killed. Never mind the adverse effects that Naruto being captured would entail such as Pain still being an active Akatsuki member, the White Zetsu army continuing their guerilla strategy to slowly cripple the alliance forces, and the reality that Itachi, one of the most powerful shinobi in the manga, would remain under Kabuto's control without Naruto's encounter providing the necessary means for him to escape.

There are two sides to any particular situation. In this one, whilst there may have been potential repercussions to Hinata unintentionally releasing the 6TK form, in comparison to the alternative which would undoubtedly result in the apocalypse that we are seeing now but with no Naruto available to rescue everyone, it is definitely the more preferable outcome.



Tsunade's efforts may have been in vain had Pain succeeded in capturing Naruto and then decided to kill anyone that survived as he characteristically would if we are abiding by the depiction of Pain given that he is an indiscriminate, "almighty" godlike figure who destroys any and all connections to those whom someone he was in opposition with may have had. Then of course there's the personal vendetta which Nagato appeared to have with Tsunade over the matter of foreign policy that would likely have compelled him to hunt down Tsunade once Naruto had been securely removed from the area.



It is as others have hypothesized about her, her primary function is to act as encouragement when Naruto is in despair. She displayed that role during the Chunin Exams and recently in chapter 615. Beyond that, however, I have to agree that her character is relatively inessential apart from acting as a rivaling force in the heated pairing debates and the few instances where her actions brought about a more significant effect through others.



Naruto's only relation to the alliance's original making is the fact that he was a jinchuuriki that Akatsuki was attempting to capture whom all of the nations' leaders were creating policy against due to their actions as a terrorist organization which resulted in the five great nations' military capabilities being weakened considerably (Konoha and Suna being the most significantly impacted). Ironically, the initial reasoning for the world coming together is in fact related to Tobi's actions and his proclamation of war.



Let's examine all of the instances where Hinata was in a pinch, shall we?

1. Gaara's blood lusted desires and Team 8 who were concealed within some vegetation appeared that they may be the ones to die in order to satiate Gaara's impulses - Her usage of the Byakugan in locating Gaara's team is partially responsible for this situation but the group was unaware of just how powerful and demented Gaara was. Furthermore, it was Kiba's insistence that they attempt to acquire more scrolls that acted as the primary cause for them being placed into that situation. Temari and Kankuro's insistence that Gaara relent is what ultimately spared Team 8, specifically Hinata, their lives. So yes, you are technically correct in this instance albeit Hinata was only a part of the reason for their situation becoming as detrimental as it was.

2. Her battle against Neji - Hinata was originally going to quit but due to Naruto's incessant advocating for her to continue in a fight that she could not possibly win she chose to continue. I credit her, as most people should, for her character development here but ultimately her decision was physically impractical as she required hospitalization for the damage caused to her internal organs which afflicted her for a month following the battle. This situation was not just her own doing but Naruto's as well for his insistence that she continue fighting.

3. Intervention against Pain - A situation that was entirely of her own volition which required Hinata to be healed by Sakura. Yes, this is in accordance with all of the conditions that you stated with no ambiguity implied through others influencing the situation or her. I would persist in arguing that her involvement was better than the alternative transpiring however.

4. Protecting Naruto from the Mokuton spikes - It was the Hyuga family that was safeguarding Naruto as a group and considering the state that Naruto was in protection of him was essential. Yes, she was technically "bailed out" by Neji using his own body to absorb the impact of the spikes but considering the severity of the situation I cannot hold this against her. Everyone was defenceless against Madara and the Jubi at that point. All they could do was avoid the spikes as best they could.

So yes, your statement is technically accurate but there needs to be consideration of the factors involved which could potentially exonerate Hinata of any unjustified criticism that people may apply to her character.



Some of them yes, but others, sadly, I do not believe she would have been able to avoid using what strength and the mentality that Kishi was currently assigning to her. Once again, let us go down the list.

1. The Demon Brothers assault against Tazuna - This was Sakura's first experience with actual combat. Considering the stress of the situation and her unsuitable capabilities at the time to properly defend Tazuna she would in aliklihood have been killed had Kakashi and Sasuke not intervened.

2. Zabuza appearing before her twice in both battles - As with the Demon Brothers, she was incapable of fighting such a dangerous opponent and required Kakashi's assistance to prevent being killed.

3. Orochimaru's petrifying stare - Sakura had collapsed onto the ground and was in emotional turmoil. Even Sasuke, who is general composed and capable in battle, was having a difficult time moving and required the alternative sensation of pain to compel his body to maneuver so that he could rescue Sakura and himself

4. Team Dosu - The skirmish was inconclusive technically but she would have likely perished had Team 10 not intervened. She was bloodied and beaten whilst Team Dosu remained in comparatively fine battle condition. Sakura would have been killed without outside assistance.

5. Entrapment by Gaara - There was nothing Sakura could have done with her abilities at the time which had remained almost completely unchanged excluding "genjutsu training" by Kakashi off-screen and the tree climbing exercises. Without Naruto's assistance she would have been compressed to death by the pressure of the sand

6. Battle against Sasori - Ah yes, Sakura's most profound physical achievement was her victory over Sasori. Well initially she required Chiyo's assistance just to prevent herself from being killed but over time as she began to comprehend Sasori's attack patterns she was able to do battle on her own. In the end, however, she required Chiyo's assistance to succeed.

7. Attempt to persuade Naruto whilst he was in 4TK mode - Naruto had lost all consciousness by this point and Sakura was severely outmatched. There was nothing she have done on her own.

8. Rush against Sasuke - We do not know precisely what would have occurred if Yamato had not intervened. It's possible that Sakura could have avoided Sasuke's attacks but for how long? Of course she could not defeat Sasuke at that instant, none of them could, including Naruto.

9. First attempt to kill Sasuke - Sasuke still had enough strength remaining to produce numerous Chidoris and activate MS. Even if Sakura were of a bloodlusted mindset she could have done nothing to successfully kill Sasuke with him fully aware of her actions.

10. Second attempt to kill Sasuke - Sasuke was exhausted, partially blind, and fixated on Kakashi. Sakura had the ideal opportunity to kill Sasuke here but chose not to due to the memories she had of him when they were still together as companions on Team 7. This is one situation which she could have overcome using her own strength, yes.

11. White Zetsu assault - The two disguised White Zetsu clones were lunging at Sakura but before she could do anything Naruto's clone had intervened and rescued her. It's uncertain precisely how events would have transpired without interference but I have little doubt that Sakura could defeat two clones on her own

12. Mokuton Stakes - Apparently Sakura was unable to avoid the stakes, much to my personal displeasure, and from what information we can gather of her reaction as well as Kakashi needing to assist her the most accurate assertion may be that she would not have been able to dodge the Mokuton on her own.

Out of all of these situations, I would claim that only two of them were within Sakura's capability to handle on her own. That is a ratio of 2:10 for Sakura's previous attempts of assessing a situation. As I much as I dislike that prospect I will not deny these facts.



Well this is quite the unforeseen shift in sentiments. I believed that I have already provided evidence that Sakura and Hinata have both made contributions to the store, directly or indirectly. So I do not feel the need to respond fully yet again to this disputing point.

Really? Naruto attributed credit for his revitalized mindset to Hinata. Yes, Kurama played a very significant role as well in persuading him not to relent, but to try and repudiate Hinata's efforts which Naruto himself provided credit to is, in my honest opinion, unreasonable and insensate. Though I may not be particularly fond of her character, I will personally not deny credit to her when it is due.

I believe it was hyped as well. Her fanbase was ecstatic by the event because they presumed that it would allow the prospect of Hinata fighting alongside Naruto against the Jubi to come to pass. As we are now aware, that didn't happen, at least not in the manner which her fans were hoping for. The motivational speech did have its place however, and Hinata does warrant some credit for her efforts.

Well this war happen because the girl who the initiator of this war dead in the hand of his "best" friend who promise to protect her because the system is corrupt and life suck.
So I believe there will be romance in this manga and it represent by obito.

Little late tothe party, but who cares. Freaking amazing chapter. My God I'm so excited. Finally getting some Sakura focus in the chapters with Minato appearing right next to Naruto and Sakura. End NH right here Kishi, sink there ship and end these miserable pairing wars.

And Uchiha Madara haven't done anything to cause this everything? Hehe.
Of course relationships and emotions are involved, after all you don't start a war out of the blue, but how i said this isn't about romance.
If there will be romance or not, of course we can have. We had that little tease between Naruto and Hinata and i do hope we get some real NS moments too. But i believe until its war all the developments will be just little steps and nothing more. Any conclusions of the romance will be after the battle, probably near to the end of the manga.

This video of valkyria chronicles reminds me of the classic cliché of wars, the phrase "when all of this over, will you marry me"? Haha. I wonder if that character have died after the war or something, they all die when ask something like this. I hope this does not happen in Naruto. Even if is a "i want to talk to you after war". It's a sentence of death.

You're right. The conclusion of the romance sub-plot will likely happen at the end, but I believe the fun is in the journey there. Even if the moments are small, I enjoy seeing development between Naruto and Sakura on the battlefield. It's even better to me that they aren't solely focused on romance. It shows that both of my favorite characters know there's a place and time for that, and right now they have other things to focus on. However, moments like in 630 truly are special for their development as a couple. It may not have the lovey-dovey aspects that some people want to see, however, it does show that both characters understand each other perfectly. Given their location right now, I think Kishimoto executed that moment marvelously. I would really like to see more moments like this for Naruto and Sakura.

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I'm also all for Chouji and Ino being together. Just look at this adorable face:



Right in the feels.

Edited by Slextrem, 16 May 2013 - 03:13 AM.

What if Minato went up to Sakura next chapter and said, "Thank you for taking care of my son."

Even if it's something small like that, I want some type of acknowledgement of Sakura from Minato. I'm eager to see what Kishi will do with these two, because the possibilities are endless!

Lol, well we know that Kishimoto is a KishixShika Shipper so Choji won't have much competition


As for the romance side, We're not gonna see this resolved until the Naruto Sasuke fight, that much is certain. However, there could be some defining moments pairing wise. For example:

Sakura decides to get over Sasuke

Sakura states that she loves Naruto and Sasuke

Minato says Sakura is like Kushina

Kiba declares his hidden feelings for Hinata

Hinata learns that Sakura loves Naruto

or...

Sakura declares her true feelings for Shadow

The real test for this chapter is whether Kishi decides to push the troll button like he did with 615. If we get a SS moment where Sasuke saves Sakura, I'm going to need a new punching bag.

Edited by Shadow1275, 16 May 2013 - 03:22 AM.

Kiba declares his hidden feelings for Hinata? I would actually love that, but I don't see it. Kiba is a NaruHina shipper. If he liked Hianta, knowing what Hinata feels for Naruto. He would be getting mad at Naruto for talking to Hinata.

As for the Minato saying Sakura is like Kushina. I think that Sakura would have to do something for him to say that. I like what someone here said earlier about her punching him like Naruto did and saying something like "why did you put the kyuubi in him!". That would make him say it FOR SURE!

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 16 May 2013 - 03:28 AM.

But doesn't Naruto want Sakura to be with someone else because he thinks she loves him? I sense another parallel

Lol, what if he heard Sakura Say Shannaro? The verbal tick thing would be undeniable.

Yes, but Kiba hasn't really shown ANY sign of affection for her yet. Only person I saw him show any sign of future relationship with so far is Ino.

Yes, Shannaro would work too. I swear, he can see Kushina in her in so many ways in the next chapter. I just REALLY hope that Kishi has Minato make the Sakura=Kushina parallel. Could you imagine what Naruto would think if his father calls Sakura just another Kushina? "Find another girl like me!!!" KISHI PLEASE!!!

I love how Hinata needed help to boost up Naruto alone. But Sakura pumped up EVERYBODY without any help. Heroine Role>Side Female Role

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 16 May 2013 - 03:37 AM.

True story. Like I said earlier, this vibe has existed for a while, I think. Remember #533? It wasn't outright shipping or anything, but it was a special series of moments between Ino and Choji. Sharing consciousness? Pretty intimate, psychologically speaking. I loved that Kishimoto chose to do that.

This smile of Choji's is just icing on the cake. And yes, I deliberately used a food metaphor.