Naruto 619

Come on guys is this really starting again now?

I personally think this chapter leans more towards SasuKarin than SasuSaku. He did create a new sharingan for her:





Fair enough. But Itachi seemed relatively sane after losing his best friend and his parents. =\

I guess this chapter sort exonerates the insanity coming from Sasuke and Obito. It seems almost... Disappointing. I guess Naruto's mission is really a medical one.

Hmm, the whole pairing stuff really would be out of the blue. Most fans, us included and any shippers just make too many assumptions, we tend to get to ahead of ourselves.

As for the possiblity of SS, its just not there, Kishimoto said Sakura's love for Sasuke was selfish but she does really love him, just we still don't know what will happen and if SS happens out of the blue, it would be just like NaruHina but worse and for all the wrong reasons. No speech of emotion is going to fill Sasuke up with love, hatred brings more power and we saw that, the sharigan can basically be thought of as the force from star wars, light side and dark side but the dark side gives much more power. Thats just it. Besides I can see Sasuke liking team 7 as friends as a whole, much in the way Naruto viewed team 7 as a family, Sasuke may eventually come to view it like that too. But the possiblitiy of SasuSaku just makes no sense out of this, I mean how many pairings would be made with characters who have had hardly any screentime? I mean least NaruSaku has interaction, thats the main difference among others. NaruSasu is only going to happen cause its a friendship/brother type relation not love.

Besides I sereiously could not fathom Sakura just rushing to Sasuke being all fuzzy and warm after what he pulled in the 5 kage summit arc, I mean she was depressed, we don't know if she is reaffirming her love or still actually in love with him (and we know Sakura's love for Sasuke is not genuine, its a childhood idealistic one). We don't even know what Sakura reacted too last we saw her in 615. If Hinata's development and moment was for that reaction, it could lead to something for Sakura when it comes to Naruto, that is still something we must see.

Other than that, best not to focus on anything pairing wise until well something pairing wise occurs again. We can predict but its best not to assume, I yes there are possiblities Naruto and Minato will meet up or Orochimaru could just dispell them and set them free (most likely going to take them to the battle) there is a lot to come, I mean we have to jump back to the battle soon and see what happens with Naruto and Co next. Not to mention when Sakura and Sai come back, many theroies are still going around. I'm gonna avoid pairing stuff for a while. Keep focused on the current situation with Sasuke which does nothing to any pairing in any way.

Yes...If we had a panel of Sasuke thinking about Sakura in this chapter, then I can see where those of you concerned about pairings are coming from.

But there was no Sakura, and the parallel about love was clearly Madara/Izuna and Sasuke/Itachi- e.g familial love. Not even Karin appeared in it. I mean from Sasuke struggling not to cry it's obvious the one person he loves more than anyone in the world is Itachi.

We should take off our shipping goggles at times and just enjoy the chapter...I thought it was interesting and insightful.

Great chapter! Loved it! I love hashirama's peraonality, and oooh sasuke and itachi...i love them

This chapter has nothing about SS. This chapter talked about the love and friendship which are cursed for Uchiha. Sasuke loved his family and his brother. Sasuke is the Madara of this era while Naruto is obviously the current Hashirama. Remember tobi's words? ("You remember a lot the shodai hokage... Hashirama"). Naruto gets serious only with Sasuke around.... Probably it was the same for Hashirama, he was serious with Madara around. Sakura and Karin has nothing with this chapter and doubt strongly that they will be part. At most Sakura and Karin can be part of friends category, not of that's love.

For those who thinks SS (don't know how), ask yourself this: when was the last time we ever connect Sasuke to romance aspect in terms of hints/foreshadowing alas Kushina's last words? I am convinced that Sasuke is all about brotherly love and Naruto will be the one to fill that hole. If Itachi didn't come back as Edo, who knows what will happen to Sasuke. Maybe he would have been in the battlefield in the first place. Sasuke's story is to learn brotherly love can be shared with anyone. Naruto, again, deals with more than one aspects. I hope you guys know this.

Um...I think I just did. This is foreshadowing. The potential is there. Just like with Hinata's little hand-holding speeches where everyone said "It's closure! It's closure!" It wasn't! It was setting the stage for that little interlude, regardless of whose pairing it supports.

It's the same here. The whole idea of talking about love in the middle of a battle arc just reeks of contrivance to me. Just like with the Hinata stuff, I'm not going to just handwave it away. I think this is foreshadowing of some appearance of love in the future, as well as some vague notions about the present and goals and ideals. Just as with the Hinata sections.

I have said before that SS (in some form) could make an appearance again, although I didn't really see how as it would be totally outlandish. But this little speech makes it less so. If someone is talking to Sasuke about love, then the immediate leap is to Sakura and/or Karin, who are both probably in the village right now.

Along with all the other points about families and brotherhood and teammate, I think the stage is also being set for a shipping rouse to pop up. And if Kishimoto's so big on parallels and balance, then some faux-SS moment really could follow 615 and it's big faux-NH moment.

Again, this is not about a pairing. This is about seeing bigger patterns in the plot and identifying the threads of foreshadowing as they happen.

It's ironic that out of my whole looooong post, you pull the one comment about shipping, and then tell me that I should stop relating things to pairing. Give me a break. Haters gonna hate, indeed.

Wow...Hashirama xD

LOL

Of course im pointing that out since its the thing that made completly no sense (not saying that this was the only thing that i didnt understand in your post)
So youre saying ecerytime the word love is in connection with sasuke means it is something SS or SK related. Now you wonder why i disagree? I just dont see any kind of forshadowing there, so can you pls tell me a scenario where this scene could be relevant for SS in the future?

So let me get this straight, the source of all of the Uchiha's hatred is that they love too much? but didn't both Sasuke and Obito unlock the Sharingan when they were close to death? So that means they loved themselves more than anyone else? I'm going to have to reread the chapter to make better sense of it. On the whole the chapter spent too much time waffling on, I have a feeling it's going to take longer to finish telling us the backstory than I will be happy with.

Edit: However I am hoping we get a bit of a backstory about Kushina's and Mikato's friendship when Minato gets his turn, would be nice to just see Minato say 'So they were friends? Kushina and Mikato would be happy happy about that'

Edited by harry4e, 05 February 2013 - 04:34 PM.

I think any mention of "love" with Sasuke in the vicinity would trigger some speculation here. But this really isn't similar to 615, Sakura isn't holding hands with Sasuke. She doesn't seem to be very important here at all - at least not more than Karin, Ino, or Jane Doe.

It would raise more questions than answers if Sakura was back in the village. Why did she abandon ship? How did she get there so quickly?




Kishimoto revealed in a flashback that Sasuke unlocked his sharingan when he first learned that Itachi killed his parents. As for Obito, I guess Rin being captured counts.

Edited by Nefertieh, 05 February 2013 - 04:34 PM.

The problem is about it the foreshadowing here is about Sasuke being Madara all over again, Tobirama was right another Madara rose up which is Sasuke now, about love and stuff, if Sasuke thinks about it would be as Naruto being his brother not Sakura or anything pairing related, and about NH moment Hinata's speech wasnt about love, she didnt told Naruto how she feels and how she accepted Naruto's nindo but about his nindo and friendship it only enforced Neji's words to Naruto, that everyone is there willing to die for him and Neji wanst truly dead.
about SS we had it on 540.
there's no rule or pattern that after a NH moment there's SS because before it appeared NS after NH and even NS starting first.

Sasuke unlocked his sharingan the first time during the night of the massacre. The loss of his entire clan triggered it. Obito, on the other hand, unlocked his sharingan out his feelings of fear losing his friends.

Nope...actually it's more when they experience intense emotions of grief/love etc (platonic at least I guess).

Sasuke awakened the Sharingan because he wanted to save Naruto from Haku, not so much because he was near death.

The first real time he awakened the Sharingan was in the face of seeing his parents killed and Itachi's betrayal (as Sasuke loved Itachi and his clan too I guess).

Obito- same, he awakened it because he wanted to protect Kakashi and Rin. At that point, he certainly wasn't near-death.

And then, his Mangekyou came from the grief at Rin's death, just as Sasuke's came from Itachi's death.

Maybe it would have IF they never pointed out that love can be in any form yet Kishi decided to use brotherly love, especially declaring that Itachi was Sasuke's driving force. I don't know how to say it right but if you ask me, Sasuke has conflicting feelings with Naruto. Remember back at VotE? Sasuke stared at him, while it was his best chance to kill him, but didn't. Itachi was happy to know that Naruto can be the brother that Sasuke wanted again. He can be the one to prevent another absolute chaos of Uchiha. No, I'm not saying SN is canon (romance), but the idea of Sasuke is about accepting Naruto as a brother. So think of this way, Sakura is about lover for Naruto as Sasuke is about brotherhood for Naruto. I'm not saying they are only center this alas Hinata but when it comes to bond, this is it. It's all making sense.

Sasuke unlocked the third part of his first sharingan whe he fought against Naruto.


He was close to death....
It's kishi i ain't gonna explain kitten.

Looks like it's getting foreshadowed to
I almost can see...

POLEMIC first famous manga ends with a homossexual couple and cause a lot of revolt around the world.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 05 February 2013 - 04:45 PM.

I can see what your saying, but honestly, i see the whole chapter not as foreshadowing, but a major major point that explains Obito's turn to darkness. (idk if this point was made yet or not; i dont have time to go look. so for the purpose of this post, im just assuming it hasn't been said yet. i apologize if it already has) His love for Rin was probably the strongest love we've seen in the story so far, if not in the top 3, and you heard Tobirama personally; the stronger the love, the stronger the hate is even more. With how strong his love for Rin was, you can only fathom how deep his hatred became, making his turn much more reasonable than it seemed before.

As my own personal opinion, i see this is as justification for Obito, as well as forshadowing of a potential redemption for Obito. When i read the description of the change when you obtain sharingan, i got the feeling it was like a medical ailment, and most ailments can be cured. One of the major themes of this series, imo, is that redemption is always possible. (i.e., Zabuza, Gaara, Tsunade, Itachi(kinda), Pein, Kyuubi?, ect) All of these people were changed for the better (by Naruto, no less) and redeemed, in a way, from how far gone they were before hand. With this in mind, I feel like later down the road, there will be a realization of a way to reverse or remove the hate/mental changes caused from the traumatic event or something along those lines, making it able for Sasuke and even Obitio to be redeemed, saved from their hate and brought back to the light. After all, love cures hate, and we all know Naruto has enough of that to go around.

Anyways, like i said, i found it as an explanation for Obito's turn and as a plot device to be used later on, and not as foreshadowing towards any sort of romance. Could the two later be related? Sure, but for now, it's too hard to tell. (However, im making this as food for thought and maybe even my own personal theory. I had said only love can cure hate, and with how much edo tenshi is being used right now, what if Orochi or someone else were to resurrect Rin and have her retell the story of what had happened? We still need to hear Kakashi's POV on the matter, but with how important of a character Rin is right now and with how little we actually know about her, im thinking she may get her 15 minutes of fame and get her own appearance to tell of what happened and maybe even be the deciding factor of returning Obito good again. Afterall, Kishi has already done stuff like this before... (Minato coming back inside the seal to fix it during the Pein fight, Kushina coming back inside the seal to tell her story and to help him with taking Kyuubi's power, and Minato again just now as one of the four who know everything.) I'm calling it now. :3) Just my 2cents~~>

Edited by Sora no Kitsune, 05 February 2013 - 04:52 PM.

Yeah pretty much agree there, but i think even if the brotherly love wanst pointed out it wouldnt make sense for me. Just because tobirama says that the uchia clan goes crazy if they loose loved ones and that their clan is more based on love then the senju, doesnt mean anything SS related. Sasuke never showed any feelings for sakura so what the heck of forshadowing should this be? Maybe now that sasuke knows that his clan is based on love makes him suddenly realize that he loved sakura the whole time? Sure....