H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!

This is why NaruHina is Canon it makes perfect sense!
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I'm starting believe that Rtn was simply a pity gift from Kishi because he's gonna make NH canon in his manga. Chapter 615 was the epitome of disgusting writing from Kishi in regards to the romance subplot, and idc how the situation set up that NH moment either.

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Having read ch 615 for a moment I was worried for NS. Then I read the chapter over again carefully. Thinking about the past in the manga and what just transpired. Now I'm not worried. Here's why.

1. Kishimoto has a habit of playing his fanbase. The Pain arc and following land or Iron arc made that clear. With Hinata's confession being rapidly followed by a hug then Sakura's pseudo confession. Possible outcomes from this? Well it could be entirely genuine. However I think (and hope) that Kishi is dangling the proverbial carrot in front of the proverbial donkey before throwing it away.

2. That single box with Sakura in it. Her face is in my opinion surprised slightly uncertain. A combination of Hinata's sudden boldness and closeness to Naruto. (Slapping him, holding his cheek and the pep talk.) The uncertainty there is possibly more a hope on my part. But if it is there she is uncertain what she feels about Hinata getting so close to Naruto. The start of jealousy perhaps. Also the fact that Sakura gets a box given for her reaction says something.

3. Sakura needs a push. I mean a real push to get her to realize what Naruto may be to her. That would require him to be much closer to dying then he has ever been before, Naruto to actually die or for there to be some actual competition for Naruto. Enter Hinata.

4. Neji's death. This may seem unrelated to parings and it both is an isn't it more leads into the next point. Anyway Neji's death is the focal point of the interaction between Naruto and Hinata. Because of the loss of a friend Naruto would naturally feel vulnerable and he would be more sensitive with Hinata with her having lost the person who is essentially her brother in all but relation. So the entire thing could be the result of high strung emotions and our possible misunderstandings of it coming from Nartuo's use of metaphors and imagery. ("I'm never letting this hand go." Could just be him saying he's never letting this connection to everyone go.)
On a less pairing related note, if you think about it Neji's death has been considerably foreshadowed. The Neji Zetsu clone can be considered as such. However the kicker is way back in the Chunin Exams. When he revealed the bird cage seal. Particularly the fact it disappears on death. I think Kishi planned Neji dying all the way back then. The reason being he needed a means that confirmed the person was dead without them having to be checked and that would be able to be visible during the required last words. Thus Neji's ultimate role was to die. Show Naruto he can't save anyone. Break his resolve and open the gates for Hinata.

5. Roles. Specifically Hinata's and Sakura's. Sakura is meant to be the heroine of the story as well as being the main Romantic interest. Though she is not a vert good heroine at first and as a romantic interest... Well from my experience with anime she's quite plain for a romantic interest, excepting her hair, but that's part of her charm. She's not that special she's probably the most realistic character in the entire series in my opinion. As for peoples complaints that she beats Naruto? Originally I think it was Sakura coping with her own insecurity and lack of belief in herself and in Shippuden it is more for comedic effect and comes from a more Tsundere attitude from her so I don't think people can use this as a negative as it happens a lot in anime. Ranma, Zero No Tsukaima and ookami-san to shichinin no nakama-tachi to name some of the top of my head. Also logically with Sakura being the Heroine she should be paired with the Hero. Admittedly this is not always done, which is one of the reasons people give in support of NH.
Hinata's role is much less defined. To be honest though I liked her character (I was originally a NH supporter) looking back she didn't seem to have a reason to be there other than stutter, crush on Naruto and be an example of the harshness of her clan before the time skip. After the time skip she wasn't much better though she was upgraded to a potential Love rival with her 'growth'. Now though her role is much clearer. Yes she is a potential paring for Naruto but that's not her main role. She's there to inspire Naruto on at that desperate moment when Neji brought the farm. Going back to much earlier I'll explain how I came to that conclusion. Hinata has been inspired by Naruto. Wanting to emulate him to help him. That inspiration allowed her to grow in confidence and has cured her stutter (I wonder how many people noticed that amid the pairing wars and character deaths.). Her belief in him that stems from that and the inspiration he gave her is what allows her to slap Naruto and give him that inspirational speech. in simpler terms she is being the Naruto who inspires people onward and to be better for the one person who doesn't benefit from that Naruto himself. Like Neji's death I think Kishi had this planned out.

6. Now I'm getting into the old arguments. First up. Kushina. This one I've heard and read about alot. It has been done over and over again. So I'll keep it short. Sakura fits the description of a girl like Kushina that says Naruto should get as a girlfriend. While Hinata has been repeatedly been called weird which Kushina told Naruto to avoid. Considering it was the one occasion that he met his mother Naruto is unlikely to forget it. However. It could also be Kishi trolling the readers again. I'm also going to add Heaven and Earth bridge with this excerpt. Major score for NS fans it may be Yamato never finished his sentence that said NS fans assumptions are probably right.

7. Naruto has good instincts. I think he knew what he needed from the get go. Naruto has too much energy and is to put it simply an idiot he needed someone to balance him out and keep him in line Sakura fit that person. And here is where this sites name comes from. Heaven and Earth. Though mentally he can find himself challenged a lot of the time he is strong in body. Representing earth. Sakura was and still is strong in mind was weak in body. Representing heaven. Though both have improved on their weaker side they still fit that representation rather strongly. While Hinata seems quite balanced. Also I don't think Hinata would be able to keep Naruto in line like Sakura could.

8. Hinata has a possible pairing other than Naruto. Sakura does as well but it doesn't seem logically possible. Though I'll get some hate for saying this. Hinata has Kiba as an alternate option. Yes Sakura has Sasuke but it won't happen and to be honest there is no real love there anymore more a longing attachment to an old rose tinted dream but no real love. That and Sasuke is probably going to end up dead.

I'll leave it at that. This is already long enough that some people will just go TL;DR at it and to be honest I'd just start droning. Please remember when you reply that this is my opinion based on what I know from canon. There is not need to rage or flame me and I have tried to be reasonably balanced and have avoided aggressively blasting any parings while writing this. So tell me what you think.

This is why NaruHina is Canon it makes perfect sense!
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That's still the general understanding that has been established in the manga and just because it has been a while since those feelings have been brought up no one has the right to assume they no longer exist. If Naruto's feelings are meant to change then it will happen on panel. He has to be explicitly thinking about Hinata in a romantic way.

If Naruto can truly give an excellent reason as to why he now loves Hinata instead of Sakura then I might be fine with it. I'll still think NS is the better couple given what they represent for the overall story. But if I'm honest what I truly want is for Naruto to be happy. If he's shown to now hold Hinata dear in the same manner as it was with Sakura then it's fine with me, but I'll still believe that the dynamic between Naruto and Sakura is much more joyful.

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The only thing I can say that might even give the slightest slimmer of hope is that Naruto only views this as a friendship thing and that Hinata will see that Sakura is the one for Naruto.

I don't know about that. I certainly don't hold hands with my friends nor caress their cheeks sensually. Out of nowhere, Naruto and Hinata are officially a couple and they sealed the deal in front of the whole world (including Sakura). After all, that's what people do when they hold each other's hands in public. Now watch as Naruto magically forgots about his confirmed feelings for Sakura and makes Hinata his waifu. Watch as Sasuke magically falls in love with Sakura over the course of a single chapter. Yep, that's some good story telling there.

I don't know about that. I certainly don't hold hands with my friends nor caress their cheeks sensually. Out of nowhere, Naruto and Hinata are officially a couple and they sealed the deal in front of the whole world (including Sakura). After all, that's what people do when they hold each other's hands in public. Now watch as Naruto magically forgots about his confirmed feelings for Sakura and makes Hinata his waifu. Watch as Sasuke magically falls in love with Sakura over the course of a single chapter. Yep, that's some good story telling there.

Never seen better writing. It's love story is as good as Twilights.

I'm starting believe that Rtn was simply a pity gift from Kishi because he's gonna make NH canon in his manga. Chapter 615 was the epitome of disgusting writing from Kishi in regards to the romance subplot, and idc how the situation set up that NH moment either.

You are right, RTN maybe was the last gift from Kishi. If NH becomes canon RTN will not mean anything to Narusaku. May be we will be watching that movie for Kyuubi vs Kyuubi Minato and Kushina.

You are right, RTN maybe was the last gift from Kishi. If NH becomes canon RTN will not mean anything to Narusaku. May be we will be watching that movie for Kyuubi vs Kyuubi Minato and Kushina.