Naruto Shippuden: Road To Ninja

I completely agree with this.

Most of them seem to be pretending that the movie doesn't exist or that is so not canon that Kishimoto is just writing an alternative "what might have been" scenario

and my two cents on lover-nin panel, I have the manga volume and to my mind she is not happily reflecting on a lover, she is taking into account lover nin's words

"if you love him he must be a great guy"

and reflecting that she loved (or just had a crush on) Sasuke but he is not a great guy

or it is not that she is gushy about loving him now but sad on what has happened to someone she loved.

it doesn't mean that she doesn't love Naruto because Kishimoto has made that clear in the manga and in the databooks.

she remains conflicted and will be conflicted until the final showdown imo when she realizes her love for Sasuke has always been superficial at best and based on a lie at worst and her true love since about chapter 11 or so has always been Naruto

Edited by Verilance, 06 August 2012 - 10:29 PM.

Yeah, I haven't noticed a whole lot of discussion either. Or I could just be to lazy to notice.

What Sakura feels for Sasuke is NOT true love, it's just an infatuation a silly crush reflecting she only likes him for his physical that's it. What she feels for Naruto is truly love and she knows she feels love for him, however her artificial crush on Sasuke along with the team seven bond is conflicting her. In RTN she blushed and was flattered that he gave her that rose but she got a heavy dose of reality when she saw him flirting with all those girls (showing the truth that what she feels for him is nothing by an infatuation base only on his physical). And this silly crush is based from her fan girling and admiration when she was 12. However I believe after 540 she has completely let go of that crush based only on his looks.

Traci@

Why would NH and SS fans will be discussing about a movie that has "Kishi supports NS" written all over it? Obviously the movie has been disregarded in their eyes like it doesn't exist.

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 August 2012 - 10:47 PM.

I don't really pay attention to what the other pairing fandoms has to say about the movie, but to me the obvious answer as to why they don't discuss the movie as much as we do is simply because there isn't that much for them to be excited about. Based on what we know about the movie's plot so far, it seems pretty anti NH/SS, what with Naruto being freaked out by AU Hinata and Sakura realizing that Sasuke will never understand her the way Naruto does.

Now I don't mean to bash. As far as I'm concerned, people can support whatever pairing they wan't as long as they're sensible about it, but unless this suddenly turns into a harem manga, there's just no way that everyone can get what they wan't. Somebody has to "lose" in the end. That doesn't mean your pairing is suddenly "illegal" and that everyone else now has the right to mock you. It just means that your pairing isn't canon. That's all.

Now, on a completely different note, I'm just glad that Sakura finally get's some decent fight scenes in this movie. The first three Naruto movies all gave her at least one cool fight scene, but all the Shippuden movies (aside from the first one and third one) pretty much relegated her to a sidelines. Glad to see that Kishi is finally correcting that mistake.

Edited by TerrorKing, 06 August 2012 - 10:47 PM.

The reason for the movie being less discussed is because they felt betrayed by Kishi. Kishi or more like anime studio were advertising the movie that there will be NaruHina and SasuSaku. They all thought Kishi is confirming himself that he is on their side. For us, we thought Kishi is trying to shove it to our throats and it would seem Kishi has changed his mind on pairings. When the world premiere was released, people in NF didn't think the uprising spoilers were real or rather, wanted it to be fake. It turned out it was real. So a lot of people lost their hype. Then, the summary was out and people were outraged that Sasuke and Hinata have very small screentime. What's worse is that Hinata didn't do anything to Naruto, rather she was mad at Sakura for "dating" Naruto, which later proceed to take her anger on Naruto for choosing Sakura over her in defense. The biggest F-U was Sasuke's role. He was there to let the audience know that Sasuke is Sasuke and he still doesn't care for Sakura, only this time, he takes advantage of his charming good looks, which Sakura was actually foolish to believe him. Also, it was a setup for Sakura to develop her character in the movie.

Now that people are upset, this is where the bomb was dropped. It turns out the movie has two themes: parental love and Naruto-Sakura bonds theme. People were like, "SCREW SAKURA!" but the people who saw the movie were happy to see her in the movie, not to mention she kicks arse in the movie. To make matter worse, many people who saw this movie starts to believe that NaruSaku is the likely pairing of them all now. Kishi made it too clear for people to see it this way, and the movie has too many scenes together. I don't have to explain again of the movie, but Kishi clearly ended their theme in a high point (longest date ever).

So yeah, that's the reason why people from other FC are quiet. Take this person quote for example:



How do you think they feel?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 August 2012 - 10:53 PM.

Sakura chose Naruto over Sasuke several times. Like she offered her and Sasuke's dream to fullfill Naruto's in the chuunin exam. Or when Naruto and Sasuke was fighting, she was asking Naruto to stop it over Sasuke, because he's the one she trusts. This happened in part 1. And she is currently willing to end Sasuke's life for Naruto's sake. Anyone saying she loves Sasuke the most saay waat

And don't underestimate teammate bonds, I would like Sasuke and Sakura as friends. Just friends. That is a bond, I mean I really love my friends. Maybe she'll always love him, but not in the way she thought she would.

And yes, I love that the NH/SS got a slap in the face, oh I said it I had to. Last time I checked, they were talking about what the ship needs right now. I gotta tell you, they said 'Sasuke needs Sakura now more than ever'. And I literally laughed geez, almost fell of my chair.

Lol I wish, but I'm pretty sure that if Sakura kissed Naruto or a hug, it would have been mentioned in at least one of the spoilers

Well that's good to know -- sounds more in character for Sakura as well to not be crying over that, just be upset in general.



I normally don't like to rely on parallels or read too much into stuff, but the MinaKushi parallels here are just too much -- Kishi straight up makes the parallel himself with flashbacking to that scene. Sakura kidnapped and tied up just like Kushina, Naruto putting on the jacket just like Minato (a direct comparison even in the previews) to go save Sakura, and saving her bridal style just like Minato, and Naruto using the exact same move Minato used against Tobi in their fight? And then Naruto saying that its a kids job to surpass his parents? Naruto will surpass Jiraiya by winning the heart of the girl that always used to turn him down, and they will surpass Minato and Kushina by getting the happy ending MinaKushi never got

/fanwank

Wait, so TakL is saying that the movie/moment was pro NaruSaku? Would you mind linking to the post, or at least the thread? I would really appreciate it.

Wow, when you have fans of other pairings admitting something was NaruSaku (and cute at that), that definitely means that the romantic overtones were definitely present!

Thanks so much for translating!

My thoughts exactly -- I'm actually really happy that a SS fan agreed with the parallels enough to draw it out and comment on it being cute as well! Next generation MInaKushi indeed!
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I agree -- the huge amounts of complaining whenever NS argues parallels (with either JiraTsu or MinaKushi) seems just like it happened just because they felt threatened by the obvious similarities to Naruto and Sakura's relationship and set up. I agree that this movie just made those parallels even stronger -- its ridiculous how similar the NaruSaku moments in the final battle played out like Minato and Kushina's final moments.

I think it says a lot that people are now starting to change their mind and see NaruSaku as more likely to be endgame.

Edited by Paptala, 06 August 2012 - 11:12 PM.

Before all the NS spoilers were known about the movie, I always heard SS and NH fans criticizing NS fans because a lot of us were saying that the movie isn't canon. Now that the tables are turned, it's interesting to see most SS and NH fans saying that the movie isn't canon...

"If you love him he must be a great guy."

He is not a great guy, so she looked sad and reflected on just how bad Sasuke is and how far he has fallen, therefore I think it makes sense to conclude that she does "love" him and she realizes how horrible he is. I don't think there's anything in that scene that could cause someone to validly conclude that she used to love him, but doesn't anymore.

From that scene, in my opinion, the worst you can conclude is that she loves him and that she feels sad simply because he's a bad person and not because he regrets loving her. The best you can conclude is that she loves him, but she feels ashamed of herself for loving him.

I think you are saying the same thing as I just rephrasing it a little however she does love Naruto and really has since chapter 11



oops I always make that mistake it is chapter 13 that she begins to fall in love with Naruto

and notice she doesn't recognize the feeling because this is true love and her love of Sasuke has always been superficial

Edited by Verilance, 06 August 2012 - 11:09 PM.

@Paptala: Well well, aren't we happy?

About takL confirming about bridal, well, hehe, I found out by going to matrix profile. If you don't know him, he's an anti-NS to the core. One time, he kept believing the spoilers were only 30 minutes preview, but takL and every other translators told him it's the real movie. Once he found out there wasn't any NH moments, he never shows up again. This quote came from matrix:



Yeah. Also, when he sees something, he would immediately ask takL if it's true. Sadly for him, it is true.

Here's one source:

http://www.narutofor...;postcount=1341

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 August 2012 - 11:11 PM.

I know that what Sakura feels for Sasuke is not true love. Sakura likes the Sasuke in real life (well, at least the P1 Sasuke) and she showed interest in the Sasuke in RTN. Her infatuation for Sasuke seems to be rooted in his good looks and popularity, but I do feel Sakura had come to generally care for Sasuke by the end of P1. I don't think Sakura really likes Sasuke's personality, it seems like she loves what she wishes he could be. She wants a Sasuke that's romantic, caring, and shows his affection for her, yet he's not like that at all. I feel that's why Sakura didn't give up on Sasuke in P1, because she honestly felt Sasuke would change how he treated her if she managed to win his heart.

That sounds about right, lol. That reminds me of a tumblr post:

AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME

SasuSaku shippers: whats that sorry i can't hear you over my MOVIE
NaruSaku shippers: ....... *cries silently*

I feel bad, but this tumblr post is just too rich now. xDDDDDD



True. I don't think we would be talking as much about this movie if it were anti-NS. xDDDDDDD I'm so glad Sakura gets a decent fight scene in this movie, too!



Those advertisements were pretty deceiving of Kishimoto, tbh. I would have felt really disappointed as well. Were they really saying "SCREW SAKURA!" and bashing her for this movie? I don't mean to offend anybody, but I really really don't like the Naruto fandom at all.



Yeah, I know, which is why I was personally pissed when the anime made Sakura think/say something along the lines of, "If Sasuke and Naruto were both dying, who would I save first?" Honestly, even if she really did wonder about that, when the time comes, I think it's really obvious who she would chose to save first with no hesitation.



Yeah, I don't use parallels too much since I feel this pairing has stronger arguments, but these parallels are too outrageous and obvious to be just a coincidence. I'm really glad people are starting to see NS as the probable endgame pairing.



I do think Sakura does love Naruto, I don't think I ever said she doesn't, but I do think Sakura's superficial love for Sasuke is in the way. Didn't Kishi say "Naruto's close, but Sakura still ... Sasuke" in the databook?

Wow I didn't know about the parallels in the movie....this is getting too obvious now, do you think Kishimoto made those scenes to make it more clear for the "other" fans?
I honestly don't know how to react now

maybe he got tried of people comparing hinata to kushina and just went all out in the movie :3 he said he made his editors cry XD

and maybe since the movie made more than all the other movies! his editors might start allowing kishi to bring out sakura more :3 instead of stuffing her away behind a princess

Edited by merryGOflava, 06 August 2012 - 11:45 PM.

Yes I said the same thing too, he wanted to show it more clear to those" fans" that still don't see the big parallel of Mina/Kush with NS *cough NH and SS fans cough*.

I doubt he knows people are comparing Hinata to Kushina, unless they're sending fan mail about it or something. He made his editors cry? Literally? What did he do?

i dont know what he did XD he said he putted whatever he wanted in the movie XD

in all honesty I don't think he really cares about what "shippers" of any stripe say or think, He just made the movie he wanted to make and the chips will fall wherever they may...

I have never doubted the eventuality of NaruSaku just because it makes a better story than anything else, there are more compelling reasons that I have seen and make mention of elsewhere but all in all it just makes for a better story...

And it happens to be the story he's actually been writing up to this point.

exactly