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#41 Madz

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:13 AM

Many seems to have great points which I totally share. Tricksie double standard theory is so true, and I always feel the Sakura 'feelings' for Sasuke was the most difficult of all - just as Ciardha said.

No, I would not lose respect for Sakura if by a lousy decision, Kishi decides to pair her off with Sasuke. I like her too much to lose respect for her. I would chalk it up to being a tragic, dramatic love story, where the female character shows a true (and very very stupid) case of 'love unconditionally'.

Had it been a real friend in real life, it would have been the same - I would never hate or lose respect of a close friend who make such bad decisions. I'm totally the type of "friend in good times and bad times", I would still stand by her smile.gif

Edited by Madz, 16 March 2012 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Mar 15 2012, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, that's not what that panel meant at all. Sakura absolutely believed that when she made the decision to not have any feelings for Sasuke anymore that she didn't. I want to smack the translators for translating it as "lying to themselves" because too many readers don't seem to understand what that means. Lying to yourself means you are deluding yourself into believing something that you want to be the truth, but reality is much less cut and dry. Look what I posted above about bonds and how they can't be dismissed easily, even to people who have a negative impact on us...

I like to apologize for that. What panel I was referring to was the tent scene when the guy that got rejected by Sakura stated the man she loves must be great. And that one panel showed Sasuke in her subconscious, not Naruto.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like to apologize for that. What panel I was referring to was the tent scene when the guy that got rejected by Sakura stated the man she loves must be great. And that one panel showed Sasuke in her subconscious, not Naruto.

That what annoyed me the most. Why did Kishi do that? It made Sakura in a bad light. And there was no such a hint that she thinked about Naruto.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE (Zeref @ Mar 16 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That what annoyed me the most. Why did Kishi do that? It made Sakura in a bad light. And there was no such a hint that she thinked about Naruto.



how does it put her in a bad light? it's not like she was smiling her happy about Sasuke.. she looked sad...she realizes he is NOT the great guy she used to think he was.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (KeikoxYusuke @ Mar 17 2012, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how does it put her in a bad light? it's not like she was smiling her happy about Sasuke.. she looked sad...she realizes he is NOT the great guy she used to think he was.

Well. Kishi wanted to give the readers the idea that Sakura still loves Sasuke, In a different way ofc. That's what I ment.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Mar 16 2012, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not too sure if she thinks he can still love her after trying to kill her, but perhaps there's still some lingering doubt in Sakura's mind that maybe Sasuke can still love her.


No, Sakura seemed quite aware as far back as when she made her confession to Sasuke in part 1 that Sasuke would never have any romantic feelings for her- "You must hate me...." that confession was out of desperation to do anything to save him from the destructive path she knew he was choosing. Her heart was breaking with every word, and even moreso when she begged Naruto to help her- she already knew Naruto was the only person who could reach Sasuke. She would have been content to never be with Sasuke, just to see the bond between Naruto and Sasuke back, and Sasuke again acting like he did at his best point due to Naruto's influence, and doing everything she could to strengthen and support their bond. Sakura knew, even then, the only thing that diverted Sasuke away from the destructive path that he was already on even before his parents were killed- once he started the Academy Fugaku and Mikoto were grooming him to be what Itachi refused to be...

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like to apologize for that. What panel I was referring to was the tent scene when the guy that got rejected by Sakura stated the man she loves must be great. And that one panel showed Sasuke in her subconscious, not Naruto.


There's a context you are missing there. It's a situation where a guy she has no interest in whatsoever makes an unwanted, uncomfortable and hopeless confession. She isn't reminded of the bud of her growing mutual love with Naruto in that context, but of the foolish young girl who fell in love with a boy who had absolutely no interest in her. This guy is praising her to the skies and it just reminds her of how less than stellar she thinks she is, and how ashamed she feels for the remnant of her feelings for the monstrous person she knows Sasuke is. It makes her feel sick and ashamed of herself. She's beating up on herself for failing to do what she whole heartedly believed she had when she told Naruto she had rid herself of any feelings whatsoever about Sasuke.

QUOTE (Zeref @ Mar 16 2012, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That what annoyed me the most. Why did Kishi do that? It made Sakura in a bad light. And there was no such a hint that she thinked about Naruto.


See my paragraph above and below...

Kishimoto tends to not repeat things about feelings that he thought he already made clear to the readers- not only was it made explicit in the manga that Sakura is in love with Naruto, but he even outright made it clear that he was writing Sakura believing she was being 100% truthful about her feelings. And look at how Sakura looks at Naruto when he rescues her, there's a very vulnerable open loving gaze she gives him as she says thank you. Naruto's response- including the lingering touch on her shoulder after he sits her down... there's an unspoken romantic vibe between them. Note how overtly he closely echoes Naruto and Sakura's poses with Minato and Kushina's in the flashbacks that come pretty soon after. Note as well Naruto's mental image of Sakura at the end of that arc- Sakura's gaze is loving and encouraging and completely on him- she is the only person in Naruto's mind who's gaze is 100% on him.


QUOTE (Zeref @ Mar 16 2012, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well. Kishi wanted to give the readers the idea that Sakura still loves Sasuke, In a different way ofc. That's what I ment.


see my comment above.

Edited by ciardha, 17 March 2012 - 12:47 AM.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:47 AM

QUOTE (Zeref @ Mar 16 2012, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That what annoyed me the most. Why did Kishi do that? It made Sakura in a bad light. And there was no such a hint that she thinked about Naruto.

Basically, Kishi has pressed the reset button on Sakura's character. The only thing that's different is her maturity from a fan-girl to a medic kunoichi, and the "unclear" affection she harbors for Naruto has been transferred. Kishi has given ever NS fans... Shippers the notion that he's planning to end the manga with SS and NH.

And that's why I said not him (Naruto).

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#48 ciardha

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Basically, Kishi has pressed the reset button on Sakura's character. The only thing that's different is her maturity from a fan-girl to a medic kunoichi, and the "unclear" affection she harbors for Naruto has been transferred. Kishi has given ever NS fans... Shippers the notion that he's planning to end the manga with SS and NH.


Only those that are reading the manga on a more shallow level than they should. Kishimoto has warned readers since part 1 they need to read deeper than the surface.

Oh and could you please use a darker orange font color- the tint you are using is so light it nearly blends in with the white text box background- it gives me an eyeache trying to read the faint print...
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:18 AM

Wow ciardha, you really do pay attention to every little detail of Naruto and Sakura's relationship, but then again I'm glad you do since your posts always erase any lingering doubts and fears I have about NaruSaku not happening.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (Zeref @ Mar 16 2012, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well. Kishi wanted to give the readers the idea that Sakura still loves Sasuke, In a different way ofc. That's what I ment.



QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Basically, Kishi has pressed the reset button on Sakura's character. The only thing that's different is her maturity from a fan-girl to a medic kunoichi, and the "unclear" affection she harbors for Naruto has been transferred. Kishi has given ever NS fans... Shippers the notion that he's planning to end the manga with SS and NH.

And that's why I said not him (Naruto).


Annoyed me too fellas but remember the series is not yet over and we'll see soon enough who Sakura loves more. *COUGH* Naruto *COUGH*

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 March 2012 - 12:05 AM.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:46 AM

I still have faith in Narusaku. That has not change for me. So I hope my last post didn't put anybody in doubt.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:48 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Mar 16 2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Only those that are reading the manga on a more shallow level than they should. Kishimoto has warned readers since part 1 they need to read deeper than the surface.

Oh and could you please use a darker orange font color- the tint you are using is so light it nearly blends in with the white text box background- it gives me an eyeache trying to read the faint print...


Sorry about that...

The way kishi has taken the manga, we're in for a wild rid. The battle between NaruSaku and SasuSaku will come down to the wire. Sakura is caught in a cobweb between two boys she loves, or one of them she thinks she's in love with--all in the mind.

I know you might think what I might say is controversial. The way I see it, NH has a better chance of happening than NS. This is not entirely a tragic thing. What does Sakura and Hinata have against each other? By all means Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto. And for that manga page (Pain Arc), she was healing Hinata and Neji asked Sakura why Hinata did it. She then showed her true emotions indicating that she dislikes Naruto being loved romantically by another woman, but hasn't done anything about it because Hinata is a sweat heart. Hinata knows Naruto loves Sakura, and may or not held any grudges whatsoever against Sakura, but hasn't done anything about it because she's selfless like Naruto and is willing to make him happy. There is no rivalry between these two kunoichi like Sakura has with Ino. Therefore, Sakura and Hinata are more likely to chat it off then fighting one another for sole possession of Naruto's heart. Either one decides who has Naruto, or they both agree to share him (Naruto ends the manga having two women to grow old with in bed narusaku.gif And if Naruto is not paired of with Sakura. Hinata automatically claims Naruto, one way or the other... just a theory

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:08 AM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 17 2012, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about that...

The way kishi has taken the manga, we're in for a wild rid. The battle between NaruSaku and SasuSaku will come down to the wire. Sakura is caught in a cobweb between two boys she loves, or one of them she thinks she's in love with--all in the mind.

I know you might think what I might say is controversial. The way I see it, NH has a better chance of happening than NS. This is not entirely a tragic thing. What does Sakura and Hinata have against each other? By all means Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto. And for that manga page (Pain Arc), she was healing Hinata and Neji asked Sakura why Hinata did it. She then showed her true emotions indicating that she dislikes Naruto being loved romantically by another woman, but hasn't done anything about it because Hinata is a sweat heart. Hinata knows Naruto loves Sakura, and may or not held any grudges whatsoever against Sakura, but hasn't done anything about it because she's selfless like Naruto and is willing to make him happy. There is no rivalry between these two kunoichi like Sakura has with Ino. Therefore, Sakura and Hinata are more likely to chat it off then fighting one another for sole possession of Naruto's heart. Either one decides who has Naruto, or they both agree to share him (Naruto ends the manga having two women to grow old with in bed narusaku.gif And if Naruto is not paired of with Sakura. Hinata automatically claims Naruto, one way or the other... just a theory




....Hinata can't claim what was never her's... dry.gif who's to Say Naruto would settle for her anyway? he more of a Sakura-chan or on one kind of guy. wub.gif

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 17 2012, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

...What does Sakura and Hinata have against each other? By all means Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto. And for that manga page (Pain Arc), she was healing Hinata and Neji asked Sakura why Hinata did it. She then showed her true emotions indicating that she dislikes Naruto being loved romantically by another woman, but hasn't done anything about it because Hinata is a sweat heart...


Sakura did hug Naruto though at the end of the arc, and Hinata seems ok with it...smile.gif

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:26 AM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about that...

The way kishi has taken the manga, we're in for a wild rid. The battle between NaruSaku and SasuSaku will come down to the wire. Sakura is caught in a cobweb between two boys she loves, or one of them she thinks she's in love with--all in the mind.

I know you might think what I might say is controversial. The way I see it, NH has a better chance of happening than NS. This is not entirely a tragic thing. What does Sakura and Hinata have against each other? By all means Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto. And for that manga page (Pain Arc), she was healing Hinata and Neji asked Sakura why Hinata did it. She then showed her true emotions indicating that she dislikes Naruto being loved romantically by another woman, but hasn't done anything about it because Hinata is a sweat heart. Hinata knows Naruto loves Sakura, and may or not held any grudges whatsoever against Sakura, but hasn't done anything about it because she's selfless like Naruto and is willing to make him happy. There is no rivalry between these two kunoichi like Sakura has with Ino. Therefore, Sakura and Hinata are more likely to chat it off then fighting one another for sole possession of Naruto's heart. Either one decides who has Naruto, or they both agree to share him (Naruto ends the manga having two women to grow old with in bed narusaku.gif And if Naruto is not paired of with Sakura. Hinata automatically claims Naruto, one way or the other... just a theory


Well if there is a Sakura and Hinata moment I see Sakura being very firm about being with Naruto not really arguing or yelling at her but just a simple... What is the word I am looking for? Understanding I guess. While also giving her some advice and pointers on how to get over a crush. Not really. tongue.gif Hinata will politely respect Sakura's words of encouragement and in time well not really get over Naruto but maybe sort of move on.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:35 AM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 16 2012, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about that...

The way kishi has taken the manga, we're in for a wild rid. The battle between NaruSaku and SasuSaku will come down to the wire. Sakura is caught in a cobweb between two boys she loves, or one of them she thinks she's in love with--all in the mind.

I know you might think what I might say is controversial. The way I see it, NH has a better chance of happening than NS. This is not entirely a tragic thing. What does Sakura and Hinata have against each other? By all means Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto. And for that manga page (Pain Arc), she was healing Hinata and Neji asked Sakura why Hinata did it. She then showed her true emotions indicating that she dislikes Naruto being loved romantically by another woman, but hasn't done anything about it because Hinata is a sweat heart. Hinata knows Naruto loves Sakura, and may or not held any grudges whatsoever against Sakura, but hasn't done anything about it because she's selfless like Naruto and is willing to make him happy. There is no rivalry between these two kunoichi like Sakura has with Ino. Therefore, Sakura and Hinata are more likely to chat it off then fighting one another for sole possession of Naruto's heart. Either one decides who has Naruto, or they both agree to share him (Naruto ends the manga having two women to grow old with in bed narusaku.gif And if Naruto is not paired of with Sakura. Hinata automatically claims Naruto, one way or the other... just a theory

No polygamy. As for Naruto and Hinata, he's shown obvious signs of not caring. Its more than blunt that he doesnt reciprocate her feelings.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:36 AM

Oh Man! I thought this was the Narusaku debate thread. I was just following the post and forget it was the Sakura still worthy topic. Sorry! biggrin.gif This just went far off topic. Did this turn into the debate thread? headscratch.gif

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:10 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Mar 16 2012, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow ciardha, you really do pay attention to every little detail of Naruto and Sakura's relationship, but then again I'm glad you do since your posts always erase any lingering doubts and fears I have about NaruSaku not happening.


Thanks! Even as a child I always scored high on reading comprehension. I absolutely love stories where paying close attention to details and following elements through long arcs pays off. (I love being a librarian because the work often is about paying close attention to details and following a research thread until it pays off.) Kishimoto told the readers very early on that this was the kind of story he was telling. The way Kishimoto has built Naruto and Sakura's romance is all about that. He's not trolling the narusaku storyline and if you read it with care you see there was never any chance whatsoever of naruhina or sasusaku. It just as clear as day for me, always has been. I'm just watching how Kishimoto unfolds all the aspects of his story. The romance story is straightforward if you pay attention to the details. I find following the real mysteries of the story being gradually revealed every bit as exciting and engaging.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE (KeikoxYusuke @ Mar 16 2012, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....Hinata can't claim what was never her's... dry.gif who's to Say Naruto would settle for her anyway? he more of a Sakura-chan or on one kind of guy. wub.gif
If he can't have Sakura, he must go to what he can get.


QUOTE (Namaenash @ Mar 16 2012, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura did hug Naruto though at the end of the arc, and Hinata seems ok with it...smile.gif


Who knows, maybe her and Sakura will become best friends after the war is finish 111191.gif(oops... off topic).


QUOTE (dokueki(venom) @ Mar 16 2012, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if there is a Sakura and Hinata moment I see Sakura being very firm about being with Naruto not really arguing or yelling at her but just a simple... What is the word I am looking for? Understanding I guess. While also giving her some advice and pointers on how to get over a crush. Not really. tongue.gif Hinata will politely respect Sakura's words of encouragement and in time well not really get over Naruto but maybe sort of move on.
But it won't be easy, which is why I think they would rather share Naruto, than let the other suffer.

QUOTE (Dragunov @ Mar 16 2012, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No polygamy. As for Naruto and Hinata, he's shown obvious signs of not caring. Its more than blunt that he doesnt reciprocate her feelings.
I know, Naruto only see's her as a friend. Butn don't count kishi out, you know he might force Sasuke to love Sakura out of the blue, and the same with Naruto loving Hinata. This is one of the reasons why this manga has been trashed (another DBZ's Vegetta and bulma cramming pairings). Someone is going to get hurt, either NS, or SS and NH.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:59 AM

I have to say that as of currently, I feel that Sakura's still in love with Sasuke. You can say that her feelings are 'lingering', but imo they probably go a little deeper than that. Even when Sasuke is at his absolute worst, Sakura still shows a deep emotional attachment to his character, and the nature of it, when its shown, is not platonic in the least.

I however, do feel that this has a possibility of changing, and that she'll not just "choose" Naruto, but that Sakura will fully resolve her issues with Sasuke independently of any influence from others. I think that Sakura should take a good look at Sasuke, and decide for herself if this is what she wants in life. She does not have to compare him to Naruto or any other guy, but should make a decision based on how she sees their relationship at the end of the day. Only then, I believe, could she look at other prospects (Naruto or even the Love letter guy) without freezing up or having the weight of a person with a larger/ more established place in her heart.

Secondly, I have to say that I would be highly disappointed if Kishi goes with SasuSaku, but I would understand his decision and could see the dynamic he would be trying to go for. The pairing has never been crack from my perspective anyway, but a contender.




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