Naruto's Power

What is Naruto's next step to become stronger? (I apologize if this topic should be posted in another location or if it already exists somewhere)

There are a lot of ways that this can go, but there are a lot of things that we have learned in part 2 that may help narrow it down.

What we know...

1. Sage Mode carries a lot of risks, without having someone with him to create a distraction or having clones standing by already infused with natural energy, then Naruto is vulnerable. Sage mode is also short lived, so against a tough opponent like Pain, the energy is depleted very quickly leaving Naruto, againn, vulnerable.

2. The 4th Hokage sealed the Nine Tails Chakra inside Naruto, to act as protection while he was young, and now that he is older, to use it to become even stronger

3. Only half of the fox's chakra is sealed within Naruto

4. A key exists that can unlock the seal and allow Naruto to access all the chakra within him, this is dangerous because Naruto has not yet learned how to control the fox

5. The 4th Hokage left behind a second unfinished jutsu, presumablely so that Naruto could one day complete it

6. The 4th Hokage faced Madara and was unable to defeat him

7. In order for Madara to achieve his ultimate power, he must extract the two remaining tailed beasts

8. Killer Bee knows how to contrl his tailed beast

9. Kakashi both posseses a space time ninjutsu and witnessed both the 4th Hokage's and Madara's space time ninjutsu with the Sharingan

10. Tsunade knew the 4th, is the grandaughter of the 1st that developed had the ability to contrl the tailed beasts, and has had access to all of the information cllected by her predecessors

So what can we take from all of this?

I have come up with three scenarios that are possibilities

But for my scenarios to be plausible I have made 2 assumptions

1. Sage Mode has served it's purpose and will not be focal point of Naruto's growth - We have only seen a brief moment where natural energy and nine tails chakra actually combine when Naruto confronted Nagato, so we know the two types of energy can be used simultaneously. However, I don't believe that natural energy and the nine tails chakra can mix effectively for battle, because natural energy requires too much focus, is too short lived, and requires the user to remain calm. The nine tails chakra is raw emotion that drastically alters Naruto's physical and mental state.

2. Madara is the final villain. All of the biggest troubles of Naruto's life stem from this one character.
-- He forced used the nine tails to attack the villiage, making the villiage despise Naruto during his childhood
-- He killed Naruto's father
-- He was using Pain to collect the tailed beasts, leading Akatsuki to nearly kill Gara, to kill Jiraya, and destroy his villiage
-- He is now manipulating Sauske to achieve his end goal

I believe Sauske will ultimately be redeemed (he may be used as a weapon, but I don't think he will be able kill Madara and take his place in achieving ultimate power)
Kabuto will make another appearance, but I don't think that he poses a serious threat, especially with the alliance formed to protect Naruto
Danzo will be involved with Kohona and it's role in the alliance, he may be Tsunade's final opponent in the end

These are only my thoughts and Kishimoto may go in a different direction entirely.

From all of this, I see three possibilities.

1. Most straightforward and uncomplicated
-- Bee teaches Naruto to control the nine tails chakra
-- Naruto takes it to another level and surpases Bee discovering a form that causes very little physical change aside from a drastic power increase (just as he surpased Jiraya with sage mode)
-- Naruto learns more about the 4th, the nine tails, and the sage of the six paths from Tsunade
-- the key is bestowed to Naruto so that he can take his powers to the extreme
-- Kakashi helps Naruto complete the jutsu left for him by the 4th, my guess is a space time ninjutsu that can help him defeat Madara, he can only complete the jutsu with the chakra of the ninetails, I don't think that an advanced sealing jutsu would require that much chakra
(the final three points here apply to all of my theories.

2. The yang chakra is extracted from Naruto by Madara, causing him to die temporarily. The solution, without anyone else sacrificing themselves, may be to find and seal the yin chakra within him. What if the yin chakra were different and allowed Naruto a higher degree of control than Bee has? Then Naruto would be able to complete his training and Madara would have a portion of the nine tail's chakra to revive the 10 tails, thus leading to the ultimate confrontation.

3. (LONG SHOT) The half of the ninetails chakra that was sealed within Naruto purposfully works against his own charkra making it stronger. If it were to be removed, Naruto's own chakra could be used to it's fullest extent. Bascially, the fox would be a chakra training weight. Whether the fox were removed by an ally to achieve this power or a foe allowing him to unintentionally achieve this power I don't know, but he would have superior control and stamina. The biggest problem with this theory is that no matter how much chakra Naruto has, it still probably won't be enough to confront the combined powers of the tailed beasts

Anyway, all just theories that I have had floating around in my head for awhile now. Some of these may happen, but then again they might not. I was just was curious if anyone else had any ideas that I may not have thought of.

i like the possibility

I wonder something.

You know how they said the 4th Hokage sealed the good half of the Fox inside Naruto? I wonder if the fox inside of him will make a self sacrifice for him?

Like Naruto takes a death blow and the fox demon sacrifices his own life to save him after finally realizing his own purpose as to why he was sealed in Naruto against Madara. I can see the fox being ticked at Madara for ticking him to attack the Konoha village or controlling him.

I know it is a long shot, but the fox demon does know of Madara

I'm thinking that maybe the sage mode 'nature chakra' will be needed by Naruto to control the Kyuubi's power.

The only reason Bee can control the 8 tails is because they have an agreement. About what, we don't know yet, but it has been shown multiple times now that the two of them work in tandem.

We know that Kyuubi wants control of Naruto. But Naruto has only come to the Kyuubi demanding 'rent'. I'd be interested to see Kyuubi's response if Naruto goes to his mindscape asking for the two of them to work together, just to see what Kyuubi would say. From what we know of Kyuubi, it looks like he's always been Madara's plaything, being controlled by the Sharingan.

It would be interesting if Naruto can use Sage Mode to break any genjutsu cast on him in an attempt to control or supress the fox inside him. When Kyuubi realizes Naruto is protecting him, he might be willing to work together.

*ponders*

Your telling me that the good fox is sealed in Naruto...wow...i can't imagine what the evil fox will do

Yes. Minato split the Fox into Ying and Yang and gave Naruto one half and put the other half in himself. Unknown how he did it, but he did.

I once myself said "If that is the good fox, I hate to see what the bad one look like."

Don't think the 4th sealed the Good side of the Kyuubi inside Naruto but the Ying Chakra, (I think the whole concience is seal inside Naruto as well.) The part sealed in him is not as vile and dangerous as the other, which makes you wonder just how dangerous his chakra really is if, the side that's not supposed to be as dangerous does so much damage then how much damage would both sides together do to him?

I like your theories and agree with you on some level but I do beleive the Natural Chakra will be vital in the future, the First Hokage could control the Bijuu's because of his bloodline limit whic was wood, and usually when you think Nature you think tree's so if Naruto can truelly master Sage mode, it might be possible for him to control the Tailed beast, maybe even subdue the Kyuubi so the Chakra is not as dangerous to him.

Also like with everything else I don't think Bee will be able to help Naruto fully control the Beast the same way he can, mainly because Kishi never lets Naruto learn things naturally, he has to rely on thinking outside the box to acheive his goal.
The Shadow clones came about because his control will never be enough to produce a rebular bushin.
He has to use a shadow clone to do the Rasengan again because he'll never get the chakra control needed.
The RasenShuriken needs Clones and Sage Mode otherwise it's impossible to do, and will destroy his hand if done without sage mode.
And with Sage Mode he has to use Shadow clones again because the Kyuubi's Chakra rejects Ma and Pa's merging with him, (Though it does show how good his chakra control must be if he can perfectly balance His Own Chakra, Kyuubi's Chakra and Natural Chakra)

So I don't see anyway for him to be able to fully control the Bijuu inside him using the same methods as Bee if he's had to overcome obstacles for every other Jutsu and technique he's learnt I don't see it being any different to him controlling the Bijuu. (Maybe he can't control it because the Biju inside him is not complete.

Let me rephrase because I forgot to mention something.

Yin and Yang are not so much on "good" or "bad," but more about moral standards in terms. The balance of morality in an individual. It doesn't mean the fox chakra is a "good guy," but from moral stand point he is.

If I am wrong please feel free to correct me.

Yin and Yang represent someone on their moral terms and shows their progression. If I can remember correctly, the Yin is good moral, but depicts that being too morally good eventually leads to being evil while the same if for the opposite. Too evil and you eventually turn into good. The concept deals with opposites in general. Like if Winter is Yin, then Summer is the yang. While neither are good or bad, they are just opposites that counter act each other.

In terms of the fox, I would say it is a "good"/"bad" thing, but it's more about the positives and negatives of the demon fox. The differences however are a little weird. I don't really know what makes the fox demon in Naruto Yin, but it might be that the fox was willing to make deals with Naruto that makes him Yin while the yang would probably just destroy Naruto all together.

I really can;t tell you exactly, but this fact would be important to remember for later purposes.

I really agree with alot of what your saying but i've got some things that i'm a bit unsure of. first of all, i dont remember the manga ever mentioning a second jutsu left by the fourth hokage. what chapter was it ever said in? but i do think that if there is another jutsu it would be a spacetime jutsu since that's what seems most likely in comparison with madara. and ur 2nd reason with naruto dying and getting resealed with other half of kyuubi i think is a great and makes completely sense. then with the third reason, i happen to remember that yamato once said after fighting orochimaru and beginning of shippuden that naruto only has the kyuubi sealed in him because his own chakra is capable of supressing the kyuubi. Which means that naruto must have more chakra than even the kyuubi? and with the whole yin yang thing. yin and yang are just simply opposites of each other, not good and bad in specific. like what James S Cassidy said, they're just complete opposites of each so it means if the kyuubi within him now is evil (which certainly seems so), then the other half is probably good. meaning naruto would be able to control it. and with the whole killer bee thing, i highly doubt killer bees gonna teach naruto a trick to help control the kyuubi. the kyuubi and his jinnchuruki is completely different and its always been naruto figuring out how to do things from his rasengan to this. and one last thing...u forgot itachi's gift. there's gotta be something with that too. there's just so much to this topic.

I'm am using chapter 370 pages 10-17 as a reference for the mention of an unfinished jutsu left by the 4th. I usually read from OneManga, so I guess there could be a variation in the translation, but quite of bit of the conversation revolves around the nine tails, the key, the 4th's jutsu, and why the fox was sealed in Naruto.

If Bee does not train Naruto, then maybe he has been inserted into the story partly to demonstrate that a tailed beast can be controled to a certain extent. The fight with Kisame showed that there may be a variety of forms that can be used when a host masters his or her tailed beast. If, Naruto even learns of this, it may affect the next step in his development. Naruto being Naruto and having shadow clones at his disposal, might be able to master an even higher degree of control than Bee. That is, if can get the nine tails under control and keep his clones from disolving. If he attains a higher level, I expect him to look mostly normal, maybe with a few minor physical changes, similar to the markings around the eyes when he is in sage mode. There would probably be some kind of an aura as well, like when he fought Nejii in the Chunin exams.

My thoughts on what would happen to Naruto's own chakra level if the ninetails is removed aren't as likely unless we see how Gara has progressed. If he is thrown into a battle where he has to go all out, we may see if it is like lifting a burden on the host's chakra. If Gara has powered up significantly, then this option will become more plausible. However, like I said, I just don't know that a human could produce enough chakra to face the enemies Naruto has in front of him with the combined powers of the tailed beasts (barring an amazing jutsu).

Finally, I think that whatever power Itachi gave Naruto, is meant specifically for Sauske. Or, more to the point, will only be triggered if Naruto faces Sauske and is losing. Here's my thoughts on what it might do...

1. Allow Naruto to break the highest level of genjutsu that Sauske can cast to level the playing field, this is an area where Naruto struggles and may need the assist
2. Trigger Naruto to cast a genjutsu that has a message from Itachi to Sauske, or show Sauske the error of his ways, afterall I don't think that Madara is being entirely honest about his plans, his end goal maybe, but not his means of attaining it. (My grounds for this is that something does not add up between Madara's explanation of the night the clan was wiped out and Itachi's. Itachi told Sauske that Madara had helped him wipe out the clan during their final confrontation. 385 pages 4 and 5. Madara admits that he helped Itachi, but tranfers the blame to the villiage elders. But, why would Madara do anything to assist the villiage, when just a few years prior to that event, he unleashed the nine tails attack? 398 Plus, Itachi was weakened prior to his encouter with Sauske, possibly from an encounter with Madara. 394 page 6 Lastly, Itachi gave Sauske his powers intending for him to spring them on Madara. Something doesn't add up.) Only time will tell, and we may get more details in the next few chapters.

I don't think that Naruto's gift will do anything to harm Sauske significantly, because both Itachi and Naruto want to save/protect him.

Hope that clears up what I'm thinking. Just theories.

oh, i see....i remember now. I read at onemanga too, but its just been quite a while. and it seems it says that the seals design is also the design of that other jutsu. It's the key's jutsu design, very sweet. really, i think naruto will gain the name the yellow flash just as his father. and now we also know the need of that jutsu which is madara. and i personally believe naruto's shadow clones are his ultimate weapon. i mean since the beginning of the manga its been shown that the shadow clones are naruto's unique jutsu. what i find dissapointing is that whenever kishi has naruto use mass amounts of shadow clones he makes them all seem very weak and unorganized. i mean, they always get beat really easily and they fight pathetically. i mean, why not a super taijutsu group of mass clones of numerous summonings, rasengans, great rasengans, or sage mode narutos in mass shadow clone jutsu. its always just all punching poorly of something. i mean if they all could fight at a level of just single naruto, how amazing would he be.

and yeah, i think itachi's gift to sasuke definitely was for defeating madara. but instead sasuke joins madara with his new powers. what's interesting is sasuke's mangekyo is not eternal...and we've noticed sasukes already going blind! i think that'll be an issue to for sasuke.

Umm didn't Jiraiya say that the seal the 4th created not only sealed the fox but allowed for the Naruto's to get mixed with the fox giving him greater levels of chakra?

As well, I believe kakashi also said that Naruto's chakra is at least double, probably ten fold from his own. I believe he also said combined with the fix he has 100 fold.

So Naruto has a lot of chakra to spare with or without the fox demon inside of him.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 December 2009 - 05:44 PM.

yeah, but we dont know if kakashi ment 10x his own chakra while including the kyuubis own chakra or not. but i remember that the naruto show episode when he was fighting gaara and he made 1000 clones of himself, the chakra color was blue (his own chakra) when he was summoning up his own chakra. but then again we can't always trust the tv show.

No I looked, Kakashi definitely said that Naruto has AT LEAST twice as much as him and if Yamato doesn't suppress the Kyuubi, he would have up to 100 fold, but this is dangerous.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 December 2009 - 09:02 PM.

Waah! I'm not even on that bit yet! I'm still on the bit when Sasuke defeats Itachi!

ahh, i see. and one more thing that i find interesting is that kakashi says fire, water, wind, earth, and lightning are only the basic chakras manipulations. so i wonder what else there is for chakra manipulation?

Hmm...didn't they say something about water+earth=wood? Because that's what Yamato uses, and I'm pretty sure they said something about that

well yes, that's one. but i'm sure there's more.

There is also control over Yin and Yang through Chakra.....light and shadow....and control through space.

There is so much more, but some of the highest level of skills is not something everyone can learn. Some, like Haku and Sasuke, get their powers through their blood-line.

I wonder what kind of power Naruto's blood holds.

yeah, i wonder how light and dark and especially time/space chakra works. and yes there's always bloodline abilities. and idk, there's always the question with kushina uzumaki. we still have lots to learn with the whirlpool country and kushina. i wonder how kishi is going to incorporate her into the storyline.